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This is the kinda stuff we used to eat when I was a kid: bloodwurst. I come from a big family so we surely couldn't have steak for dinner every day. I rarely became sick though and grew up to become a healthy, fit 6'3'' dutchman. 
it must have a biblical meaning,if it was medical we would be looking for the oldest doctor we could find. that is doctors say eat this don't eat that don't smoke don't drink ect. and they all seem to die about the same age as everyone else,,at almost 80 i myself would like to go to a doctor that was older than me and followed his own advice,say 120 to 130 years old,,,
Well, I am sure that all doctors know EVERYTHING about health. Ever see the commercial where a doctor says "more doctors smoke Camels"? How about the USDA food pyramid? Starchy, flour empty carbs are the base of it and the food group people are "supposed" to eat the most of. Medical science surely knows more than the Creator about health. *cough, sputter, choke*
yes in my old age i notice that i have to be very careful what i say that the present day people hear,you at your age and me at mine remember a different thing. when i was young 1940's i smoked then quit,then smoked again,by the late 50's and 60's the tobacco changed so much i couldn't smoke any more. (YOUNGSTERS DON'T EVER START SMOKING)
Now i say this because my gr.grand father(born in 1856) chewed tobacco,smoked and so it was passed on to my grandfather and father. they chewed tobacco from about 8-10 years old and lived to almost 100. in the 40's when i began to dabble with it they all told me that the tobacco i was chewing and smoking was not the same as in the 1800's.but like most youngsters i didn't believe them. they told me the tobacco they chewed wasn't no different than putting collard greens in their mouth and chewing it.
now the doctors back then didn't say anything about emphasizema ,c.o.p.d.,cancer ect.,,that didn't come up till the 60's,but by then most who did smoke or chew were figuring out that they were changing the tobacco(adding stuff to it). the American Indians were well known for their health and ability to run all day long(and they smoked tobacco tobacco in their peace-pipes)and lived to be very old,cancer and emphazima free. but tobacco products today are not the same as then,(SO YOUNGSTERS DON'T USE THEM),,,
Notice the same with tomatoes,beans,lettuce,celery ect. from the store,they don't taste the same nor do they give me the energy like the old food. if i buy eggs from the store they give me bad heartburn,but if i eat the ones my chickens lay they don't(i don't feed them store bought feed i let them free range). if i eat store bought chicken it makes me have a stomach ache,but the chicken i butcher do not. i rather buy a young steer and butcher it but if i have to buy meat from the store i get a roast and grind my own hamburger meat(electric grinder),
i still have a garden and me and my wife can it in jars,but there's still some things we have to buy store bought. the seeds i have are the seeds that were passed down to me from my family,purple hull,tomatoes,corn ect. ive tried store bought seed but it just grows too fast and so it don't have no flavor. john832 you just a little younger than me,do you remember the way the old watermelons tasted?,,if you get one from the store does it taste like the flavor is not as loud as in the old days? i ask that because i grow mine and i bought some so i could taste them both at the same time.
Now i say this because my gr.grand father(born in 1856) chewed tobacco,smoked and so it was passed on to my grandfather and father. they chewed tobacco from about 8-10 years old and lived to almost 100. in the 40's when i began to dabble with it they all told me that the tobacco i was chewing and smoking was not the same as in the 1800's.but like most youngsters i didn't believe them. they told me the tobacco they chewed wasn't no different than putting collard greens in their mouth and chewing it.
now the doctors back then didn't say anything about emphasizema ,c.o.p.d.,cancer ect.,,that didn't come up till the 60's,but by then most who did smoke or chew were figuring out that they were changing the tobacco(adding stuff to it). the American Indians were well known for their health and ability to run all day long(and they smoked tobacco tobacco in their peace-pipes)and lived to be very old,cancer and emphazima free. but tobacco products today are not the same as then,(SO YOUNGSTERS DON'T USE THEM),,,
Notice the same with tomatoes,beans,lettuce,celery ect. from the store,they don't taste the same nor do they give me the energy like the old food. if i buy eggs from the store they give me bad heartburn,but if i eat the ones my chickens lay they don't(i don't feed them store bought feed i let them free range). if i eat store bought chicken it makes me have a stomach ache,but the chicken i butcher do not. i rather buy a young steer and butcher it but if i have to buy meat from the store i get a roast and grind my own hamburger meat(electric grinder),
i still have a garden and me and my wife can it in jars,but there's still some things we have to buy store bought. the seeds i have are the seeds that were passed down to me from my family,purple hull,tomatoes,corn ect. ive tried store bought seed but it just grows too fast and so it don't have no flavor. john832 you just a little younger than me,do you remember the way the old watermelons tasted?,,if you get one from the store does it taste like the flavor is not as loud as in the old days? i ask that because i grow mine and i bought some so i could taste them both at the same time.
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True, that hasn't changed in about 2000 years...
[SUP]18 [/SUP]“Are you so dull?” he asked. “Don’t you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them? [SUP]19 [/SUP]For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)
(Marc 7: 18-19, NIV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”
[SUP]14 [/SUP]“Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”
[SUP]15 [/SUP]The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”
(Acts 10: 13-15)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]“Are you so dull?” he asked. “Don’t you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them? [SUP]19 [/SUP]For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)
(Marc 7: 18-19, NIV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”
[SUP]14 [/SUP]“Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”
[SUP]15 [/SUP]The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”
(Acts 10: 13-15)
Take 'em with the context...
Mar 7:1 Then the Pharisees and some of the scribes came together to Him, having come from Jerusalem.
Mar 7:2 Now when they saw some of His disciples eat bread with defiled, that is, with unwashed hands, they found fault.
Mar 7:3 For the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they wash their hands in a special way, holding the tradition of the elders.
Mar 7:4 When they come from the marketplace, they do not eat unless they wash. And there are many other things which they have received and hold, like the washing of cups, pitchers, copper vessels, and couches.
Mar 7:5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked Him, "Why do Your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashed hands?"
Notice the word bread here? From Thayer's
G740
ἄρτος
artos
Thayer Definition:
1) food composed of flour mixed with water and baked
1a) the Israelites made it in the form of an oblong or round cake, as thick as one’s thumb, and as large as a plate or platter hence it was not to be cut but broken
1b) loaves were consecrated to the Lord
1c) of the bread used at the love-feasts and at the Lord’s Table
2) food of any kind
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G142
Citing in TDNT: 1:477, 80
The subject is not meat. The bread mentioned here really is bread made from flour and water.
OK, What about Peter's vision?
Act 10:15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
Act 10:16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.
Act 10:17 Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,
Notice Peter did not run down the steps and order up a lobster thermidor dinner with a shrimp cocktail appetizer?
Rather this is what Peter said...
Act 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
He had the nerve to say this to God. It is obvious that he didn't just assume that clean and unclean had been abolished. So what was the resolution?
Act 10:19 While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.
Three men and they were Gentiles. Exactly as the vision shows.
Act 10:25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.
Act 10:26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.
Act 10:27 And as he talked with him, he went in, and found many that were come together.
Act 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.
Now here is your challenge, show me where Peter says the vision showed him that meat had been cleansed. You cannot, because this is not the take-away. Nowhere does Peter say God has shown me that meats have been cleansed.
Mar 7:1 Then the Pharisees and some of the scribes came together to Him, having come from Jerusalem.
Mar 7:2 Now when they saw some of His disciples eat bread with defiled, that is, with unwashed hands, they found fault.
Mar 7:3 For the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they wash their hands in a special way, holding the tradition of the elders.
Mar 7:4 When they come from the marketplace, they do not eat unless they wash. And there are many other things which they have received and hold, like the washing of cups, pitchers, copper vessels, and couches.
Mar 7:5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked Him, "Why do Your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashed hands?"
Notice the word bread here? From Thayer's
G740
ἄρτος
artos
Thayer Definition:
1) food composed of flour mixed with water and baked
1a) the Israelites made it in the form of an oblong or round cake, as thick as one’s thumb, and as large as a plate or platter hence it was not to be cut but broken
1b) loaves were consecrated to the Lord
1c) of the bread used at the love-feasts and at the Lord’s Table
2) food of any kind
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G142
Citing in TDNT: 1:477, 80
The subject is not meat. The bread mentioned here really is bread made from flour and water.
OK, What about Peter's vision?
Act 10:15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
Act 10:16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.
Act 10:17 Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,
Notice Peter did not run down the steps and order up a lobster thermidor dinner with a shrimp cocktail appetizer?
Rather this is what Peter said...
Act 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
He had the nerve to say this to God. It is obvious that he didn't just assume that clean and unclean had been abolished. So what was the resolution?
Act 10:19 While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.
Three men and they were Gentiles. Exactly as the vision shows.
Act 10:25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.
Act 10:26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.
Act 10:27 And as he talked with him, he went in, and found many that were come together.
Act 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.
Now here is your challenge, show me where Peter says the vision showed him that meat had been cleansed. You cannot, because this is not the take-away. Nowhere does Peter say God has shown me that meats have been cleansed.
D
True, the subject isn't 'meat' in Marc 7, but the interpretation of the Law. The Pharesees are so worried that their foodstuffs might be 'unclean,' that they follow the strictest interpretation and demand that others do likewise. Being'unclean' doesn't mean you're 'dirty,' it means your relationship with your fellow human being and with God is disturbed. Jesus points out that what enters a man's mouth cannot make him 'clean' or 'unclean,' but only what comes from his heart: 'sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery,greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly.' (v.21-22). Marc concludes: 'In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.' So indirectly this passage is about ALL foodstuffs.
In Peter's vision a sheet descends holding all kinds of animals. You can read God's comment as an invitation, rather than an order (to immediatily 'order a shrimp cocktail'), like for instance 'be fruitful and multiply’ (Gen. 1: 28) cannot strictly be considered an ORDER aswell. The vision is first and foremost meant for the 'gentiles, the ‘non-jews:’ it's ok for them to eat all foodstuffs. Where the KJV reads ‘cleansed,’ other translations read ‘declare clean.’ For the ‘gentiles’ nothing has changed, all foodstuffs are ok to eat and always have been, because the whole religious notion of ‘kosher’ never existed for them in the first place.
Personally I don’t really mind if jews or christians want to follow the foodlaws, as long as they don’t expect me to do likewise. (Rom. 14:3)
In Peter's vision a sheet descends holding all kinds of animals. You can read God's comment as an invitation, rather than an order (to immediatily 'order a shrimp cocktail'), like for instance 'be fruitful and multiply’ (Gen. 1: 28) cannot strictly be considered an ORDER aswell. The vision is first and foremost meant for the 'gentiles, the ‘non-jews:’ it's ok for them to eat all foodstuffs. Where the KJV reads ‘cleansed,’ other translations read ‘declare clean.’ For the ‘gentiles’ nothing has changed, all foodstuffs are ok to eat and always have been, because the whole religious notion of ‘kosher’ never existed for them in the first place.
Personally I don’t really mind if jews or christians want to follow the foodlaws, as long as they don’t expect me to do likewise. (Rom. 14:3)
The subject is not interpretation of the Law. It is the Pharisees TRADITIONS overriding the Law...
Mar 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Mar 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
Mar 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
You can read it any way you wish, but if you read it in context, God is using a very powerful idea to show that Gentiles were given salvation. Nothing else is stated or even implied.
You make the assumption here that clean and unclean was associated only with Israel, yet clean and unclean was know a millenium before the first Israelite lived...
Gen 7:1 And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.
Gen 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
Clean and unclean were well known prior to the flood. Noah didn't ask nor did God have to explain to him. He already knew, it was common knowledge.
1 Timothy 4:1-5 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hyprocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
Pray and bless your food before you eat . . . . .
Pray and bless your food before you eat . . . . .