Please Answer Sabbath Question

[Hizikyah]

I have a question for all that say Sabbath is now for any reason not the 7th day of the week, that it should not be physically kept, or if you believe there has been any change in it in any way since Messiah kept it:

please tell me what this verse is then, because without a explanation other than what I believe I can not think Sabbath has been changed. (ps Sabbath has not been changed, but for being open I ask this)

Daniel 7:25, "And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time"

2166 zeman
zeman: time
Original Word: ?????
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: zeman
Phonetic Spelling: (zem-awn')
Short Definition: time

2166 zeman
Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
(Chaldee); from H2165; the same as H2165:—season, time.

2166 zeman
Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) a set time, time, season


5732 iddan - time
Original Word: ??????
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: iddan
Phonetic Spelling: (id-dawn')
Short Definition: time

5732 iddan
Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
(Chaldee); from a root corresponding to that of H5708; a set time; technically a year:—time.

5732 iddan
Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) time
1a) time (of duration)
1b) year

Daniyl 7 is written in Aramaic, yet "zeman" is the Aramaic parallel of "moed", showing this for understand, and 7th day Sabbath is listed in Leviticus 23.

Leviticus 23:2, "Speak to the children of Israel, and tell them, 'The set feasts of Yahweh, which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my set feasts.""

4150. moed - appointed time, place, or meeting
Original Word: ??????
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: moed
Phonetic Spelling: (mo-ade')
Short Definition: meeting

4150. moed
Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
From H3259; properly an appointment, that is, a fixed time or season; specifically a festival; conventionally a year; by implication, an assembly (as convened for a definite purpose); technically the congregation; by extension, the place of meeting; also a signal (as appointed beforehand):—appointed (sign, time), (place of, solemn) assembly, congregation, (set, solemn) feast, (appointed, due) season, solemn (-ity), synagogue, (set) time (appointed).

4150. moed
Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) appointed place, appointed time, meeting
1a) appointed time
1a1) appointed time (general)
1a2) sacred season, set feast, appointed season
1b) appointed meeting
1c) appointed place
1d) appointed sign or signal
1e) tent of meeting

 

[Hizikyah]

P.S

2166 zeman is a Aramaic word, Daniyl 2:38 to 7 is written is Aramaic.


4150. moed is a Hebrew word and is the equivalent. (both carry the same meaning)

 

[cfultz3]

According to the Law, what is to happen to one who performs work on the Sabbath? (please do not jump to any conclusions, yet)

 

[Hizikyah]

According to the Law, what is to happen to one who performs work on the Sabbath? (please do not jump to any conclusions, yet)

They shall be cut of from among their people and receive death. Same as if one kills, break one broke them all.

Yet none of us are sinless to execute judgement, Messiah will execute judgement righteously when He returns, the real death is not the death in the flesh but the death that is eternal.

Yahchanan (John) 5:28-30, “Do not be astonished at this-for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice, and will come forth. Those who have practiced righteousness will be resurrected in order to live; and those who have practiced wickedness will be resurrected in order to be damned."

 

[cfultz3]

They shall be cut of from among their people and receive death. Same as if one kills, break one broke them all.

Who is the LORD OF SABBATH?

 

[cfultz3]

I have to be gone for about 3 hours and will return then. Sorry for the interruption.

 

[Hizikyah]

Who is the LORD OF SABBATH?

12:8 "The Son of man is master of the Sabbath"

Mattithyah 12:12, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."

So how did a question I asked in my OP turn into you not even answering it and questioning me? Im ok with the questions, but I ask that my question is answered and not spun, you may be getting to breaking down Daniyl 7:25 with amazing accuracy, but so far ehhhhhh....

 

[cfultz3]

So how did a question I asked in my OP turn into you not even answering it and questioning me? Im ok with the questions, but I ask that my question is answered and not spun, you may be getting to breaking down Daniyl 7:25 with amazing accuracy, but so far ehhhhhh....

You see me as spunning and "EHHHHHHHHHHHHH". I will move on....

 

[Hizikyah]

You see me as spunning and "EHHHHHHHHHHHHH". I will move on....

Why not just give me your breakdown of Daniyl 7:25?

 

[nathan3]

Daniel 7:25 , the one there doing the changing Antichrist, its deception. When people can't tell what God's words says, its easy to have them running around in confusion.

Like we have today, with gay marriage etc. But more specifically, its the deception he brings in. The only connection to Sabbath and that verse I can think of would be how Satan wants to take away our truth Sabbath which is Christ ; and replace Him with his self ( Satan ).

If they don't study God's words, then he's going to deceive people into doing just that. And that is some big change.

 

[Hizikyah]

Daniel 7:25 , the one there doing the changing Antichrist, its deception. When people can't tell what God's words says, its easy to have them running around in confusion.

Like we have today, with gay marriage etc. But more specifically, its the deception he brings in. The only connection to Sabbath and that verse I can think of would be how Satan wants to take away our truth Sabbath which is Christ ; and replace Him with his self ( Satan ).

If they don't study God's words, then he's going to deceive people into doing just that. And that is some big change.

So the Sabbath has been changed? You are saying it is no longer to be actually kept? But kept in Messiah? Can I also keep the other Commandments in Messiah while I do not keep them myself? So can I kill but Messiah keeps do not kill for me?

Text doesnt convey tone, im trying to illustrate while seeking an explanation.

 

[nathan3]

So the Sabbath has been changed? You are saying it is no longer to be actually kept? But kept in Messiah? Can I also keep the other Commandments in Messiah while I do not keep them myself? So can I kill but Messiah keeps do not kill for me?

Text doesnt convey tone, im trying to illustrate while seeking an explanation.

i dont understand ?

All I know about the verse is that, the verse is about when antichrist is actually here.

 

[john832]

Daniel 7:25 , the one there doing the changing Antichrist, its deception. When people can't tell what God's words says, its easy to have them running around in confusion.

Like we have today, with gay marriage etc. But more specifically, its the deception he brings in. The only connection to Sabbath and that verse I can think of would be how Satan wants to take away our truth Sabbath which is Christ ; and replace Him with his self ( Satan ).

If they don't study God's words, then he's going to deceive people into doing just that. And that is some big change.

But Christ is not the Sabbath, He CREATED the Sabbath and He is LORD of the Sabbath. You are reducing Him and limiting Him here...

Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Christ is not the Sabbath, He is the LORD of (He is in charge of and over) the Sabbath. Don't limit God.

 

[john832]

i dont understand ?

All I know about the verse is that, the verse is about when antichrist is actually here.

Nathan, there is only one Command that is about time and Law...

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

None of the other Commandments have a time intrinsic to them, only the fourth one...

 

[nathan3]

Nathan, there is only one Command that is about time and Law...

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

None of the other Commandments have a time intrinsic to them, only the fourth one...

remember its written, Christ is our Sabbath . He's our rest forever. That is a lot of time right there.

 

[john832]

remember its written, Christ is our Sabbath . He's our rest forever. That is a lot of time right there.

Where is it written that Christ IS the Sabbath?

 

[Laodicea]

There should be an option for other. It is not only the sabbath that was changed but the 2nd commandment about idolatry as well.

 

[john832]

There should be an option for other. It is not only the sabbath that was changed but the 2nd commandment about idolatry as well.

I agree, but the boolean operator there is 'AND'. What this character does includes both times and Laws. There is only one Command that is a Law about time.

 

[RedTent]

There should be an option for other. It is not only the sabbath that was changed but the 2nd commandment about idolatry as well.

When Christ came to fulfill, to fill up what was before, I don't see how what Christ filled can mean that Christ got rid of anything. I can understand that Christ changed it, but in everything Christ filled the spiritual meaning was left intact.

Christ filled up our understanding of Sabbath. He said it was made for man, so it is for our benefit. He said that the physical order to not work does not cancel the other things of God, we are to express love on that day ahead of the order not to do our work. That would say that if someone needs our love and care that comes first, but it does not say that caring and love cancels stopping our commandment not to do our daily jobs.

Scripture also tells us that we are not to stop worship with denying ourselves any physical expression of spiritual commands. In fact, scripture tells us that if we do that, we cancel the spiritual obedience for faith without works is dead.

 

[Hizikyah]

There should be an option for other. It is not only the sabbath that was changed but the 2nd commandment about idolatry as well.

I agree with you here that is why in he first option I wrote : "and possibly other Laws"

but you are right I should have put an other option, thank you for bringing that to my attention