Arrogance

[3Scoreand10]

Webster's college dictionary defines arrogance as "offensive display of superiority or self-importance; overbearing pride; haughtiness"

The Bible clearly teaches that the second coming of our Lord and Savior and our gathering together with Him will take place with the sounding of the seventh trump, 1290 days after the opening of the first seal, 1260 days after the man of sin begins to make war on the saints.
This is the time of great tribulation that Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24:21.
I am amazed at the number of people who beleive and teach that Jesus can come at any moment and secretly take all the saints to heaven before this time of tribulation begins. They reason that Jesus would never make us go through this terrible time. He loves us to much. They must think that Jesus loves them more than the millions that have suffered tribulation and persecution and even death because of their stand for Jesus.
Study the book of Acts. Read Fox's book of martyrs. Steven was stoned to death. Peter and others were put in prison. Paul was beaten, stoned, and finally beheaded. JESUS WAS BEATED AND CRUCIFIED.
I think it would be very arrogant of me to think I am so righteous that Jesus would allow this sinner to escape the tribulation and persecution that is shorty to began.

 

[Vernon]

God has protected his people from his wrath throughout history while pouring it out on others. Christians will suffer greatly during the tribulation because satan will attempt to wipe us off the face of the earth.
It is as if those who believe they will escape from the tribulation are willing to live for Jesus but are not willing to die. I have much to say on this subject, do not get me started

Christ be with you always.

 

[LovePink]

Well, God has a plan.

Do you know what the "fulness of the gentiles" is all about? According to God's plan, the new creature has a purpose that was kept hid in God from before the foundation of the world. Pre-trib rapture of the new creature is God's doing, like it, understand it, believe it or not. That is our portion, our inheritance- predestined.

Dominion in the heavenly places with the saints of glory needs to happen.


Ephesians 3:1-13

*For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,2*If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:3*How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,4*Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)5*Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;6*That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:7*Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.8*Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;9*And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:10*To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,11*According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:12*In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him.13*Wherefore I desire that ye faint not at my tribulations for you, which is your glory.

 

[3Scoreand10]

The tribulation that saints suffer is the result of men and their sin. The time of Tribulation Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24:21 comes from the anti-christ and the false prophet. The seven plagues of Revelation 15 is the wrath of God poured out on those who are still alive after the seventh trump coming of our Lord and our gathering together with Him. If you are a child of God you will escape the wrath, but not the tribulation, unless God calls you home before it begans.

 

[3Scoreand10]

Yes God dose have a plan. Paul also said in II Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and THE MAN OF SIN BE REVEALED, the son of predition"
Also in I Corinthians 15:52 he said "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."
Are we really more righteous than those saints in the church at Jerusalem?
If the saints leave before the time of tribulation, who are the saints that the anti-christ makes war on for 1260 days?

 

[dcontroversal]

As you know, I agree with the fact that the resurrection/change (rapture) takes place at the 7th trump of Revelation and after the Great Tribulation that is spoken of by Matthew and the correlating chapters of Luke and Mark, as well as numerous other books and chapters in context.

I will say that I believe one of the biggest detriments (if you will) which leads to a misunderstanding of the second coming is the lack of understanding when it comes to the following two words and who they apply unto which are...

Tribulation--->from (Thilipsis) and means to put the squeeze on, pressure and carries the idea of persecution
Wrath-------->from (Orge) and means the fiery indignation of God

In the world we shall suffer tribulation, and we have been appointed unto tribulation, but we have been saved from WRATH thru Him (Jesus Christ).

One of the reasons that the Thessalonians letters were written is because they believed, and had been taught by a liar, that they had missed the resurrection/change and the liar was using the fact that they were suffering tribulation as proof of missing the (rapture). Paul testifies that the tribulation that they were suffering was an evident sign that they had not missed the resurrection/change (rapture).

 

[BELIEVE]

Well, God has a plan.

Do you know what the "fulness of the gentiles" is all about? According to God's plan, the new creature has a purpose that was kept hid in God from before the foundation of the world. Pre-trib rapture of the new creature is God's doing, like it, understand it, believe it or not. That is our portion, our inheritance- predestined.

Dominion in the heavenly places with the saints of glory needs to happen.


Ephesians 3:1-13

*For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,2*If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:3*How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,4*Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)5*Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;6*That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:7*Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.8*Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;9*And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:10*To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,11*According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:12*In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him.13*Wherefore I desire that ye faint not at my tribulations for you, which is your glory.

amen sister lovepink amen...

 

[Tr]

Did god have a plan to destroy soddom and Gomorrah?

Well, God has a plan.

Do you know what the "fulness of the gentiles" is all about? According to God's plan, the new creature has a purpose that was kept hid in God from before the foundation of the world. Pre-trib rapture of the new creature is God's doing, like it, understand it, believe it or not. That is our portion, our inheritance- predestined.

Dominion in the heavenly places with the saints of glory needs to happen.


Ephesians 3:1-13

*For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,2*If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:3*How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,4*Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)5*Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;6*That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:7*Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.8*Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;9*And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:10*To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,11*According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:12*In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him.13*Wherefore I desire that ye faint not at my tribulations for you, which is your glory.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

Webster's college dictionary defines arrogance as "offensive display of superiority or self-importance; overbearing pride; haughtiness"

The Bible clearly teaches that the second coming of our Lord and Savior and our gathering together with Him will take place with the sounding of the seventh trump, 1290 days after the opening of the first seal, 1260 days after the man of sin begins to make war on the saints.
This is the time of great tribulation that Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24:21.
I am amazed at the number of people who beleive and teach that Jesus can come at any moment and secretly take all the saints to heaven before this time of tribulation begins. They reason that Jesus would never make us go through this terrible time. He loves us to much. They must think that Jesus loves them more than the millions that have suffered tribulation and persecution and even death because of their stand for Jesus.
Study the book of Acts. Read Fox's book of martyrs. Steven was stoned to death. Peter and others were put in prison. Paul was beaten, stoned, and finally beheaded. JESUS WAS BEATED AND CRUCIFIED.
I think it would be very arrogant of me to think I am so righteous that Jesus would allow this sinner to escape the tribulation and persecution that is shorty to began.

Hello there 3scoreand10,

first what you should understand is that the time of Jacob's trouble is about Israel. It is not about the Church.

Another thing that is important to note is that the persecution of the Church down through the centuries was a result of mainly the wrath of Satan and the wrath of men.


The time of Jacob's trouble is the Day of the LORD's wrath.

The Body of Christ is not appointed to that wrath (1 Thess. 1:10,& 5:9).

Be assured that the pre-trib. Rapture is Bible Doctrine. The Scriptures clearly teach a Pre-trib. Rapture of the Body of Christ.


Throughout the Pauline Epistles; and even some of the epistles after Paul's, Christians are told and exhorted to look for the Lord Jesus Christ and not for the time of Jacob's trouble: (See 1 Cor. 1:7, Phil. 3:20, Tit. 2:13, 1 Pet. 1:13, Jude 21).


Furthermore, I see that you are implying that Christians will go to meet the Lord at the last trumpet in Revelation 11:15-19. Actually the last trump in 1 Corinthians 15:52 is the trump of God in 1 Thess. 4:16, and both of these passages of Scripture refer to the Rapture and the resurrection of the dead in Christ with their instant translation and also ours (living Christians) where we all get our glorified bodies.

Also notice that the seventh trumpet which is sounded in Revelation 11:15, is immediately after the second woe is past. Now did you notice that? When the seventh angel sounds, it is at a time where God's wrath and judgment is being poured out upon his enemies in the time of Jacob's trouble. The last trump in 1 Cor. 15:52 signals when we (the Body of Christ) are raised and translated into glory. In other words, the context of both 1 Thess. 4:16-18 and 1 Cor. 15:51-55 is blessing, life, and glory.

While on the other hand, the context of Revelation 11 where the seventh trumpet is sounded by the seventh angel is wrath and judgment. Just compare all three passages.


Therefore the last trump spoken of in 1 Corinthians 15:52 is NOT the seventh trumpet which the seventh Angel sounds after the Second Woe is over.

The trumpet in Rev. 11:15 is obviously a different trumpet than the trumpet that is in 1 Cor. 15:52 and 1 Thess. 4:16. IN fact, the trumpet that is sounded to call the Church at the Rapture is called the Trump of God.

While the seventh trumpet in Rev. 11 is the trumpet of an Angel. Again, they are not the same.

 

[LovePink]

Also in I Corinthians 15:52 he said "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."

There is the shout, the trump is a sound. Then there is also a voice mentioned- different things happening here. The end of the dispensation of the grace of God. The resumption of God dealing with unfinished business, a rebirth.

Are we really more righteous than those saints in the church at Jerusalem?

No, just different elections of function, vocation, predestination to inheritances. That is why we read the new creature God is currently forming has been blessed with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places and has been "translated" by God the Father into the kingdom of His dear Son. That's why we read about the new creature being dead to sin, because we are crucified with Christ, we are dead and our life is hid with Christ in God. If something is different, it is not the same. But, go on-

" A man's heart deviseth his way: but the*Lord*directeth his steps."

 

[LovePink]

Did god have a plan to destroy soddom and Gomorrah?

Hey. Salvage, rescue, redemption, soul salvation, glory, that is the eternal plan. As for the details, well God is holy. I have wondered, what do you think about Acts 17:30, the term "times of ignorance" God winked at and what Christ said about Sodom in Matthew & Luke 10? How could something be more tolerable in the day of judgment? I know you & I are a part of God's plan, according to Acts 17:31, Romams 4:5, 25.

 

[nathan3]

You know what else i notice, people with an inferiority complex,,, who label everyone that wants to study the bible and has learned something to share with others , as having a "superiority complex", for even trying to talk about the Bible in depth ..

It makes it to where, when you try to talk about the Bible, people get offended at you for even trying. So yeah. trouble trouble trouble .

Stop being so sensitive and being offended at God's words. Instead of sowing discord, how about come together in study of God's words we need to learn as Christians. Thats for anyone who the shoe fits.

 

[Brother_Don]

i've had people say to me, that i take the bible and the Father to serious, that i need to lighten up. Sometimes i'd just like to take that devil up from under my feet and choke him, but i'll just leave him under my feet. The Father is my All in All, and when people get tired of me talking about Him, it's not my problem.