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Matthew24

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"Repent means to stop the sinning" OK, well in my bible God repents more than anyone. So now what? You have like 7 steps to be saved. Why? Because you are trusting in yourself to "stop doing bad" or "starting something good" (lordship salvation heresy). Repent means to change your mind....about what? THE GOSPEL. Turn from your unbelief to belief. Stop believing in false Gods! Is it faith alone? Everyone agrees it is. What kind of Faith? Like a child. It doesn't have to be much faith, but it all must be on him for eternal life. Do you believe in eternal life? How do you know you repented enough when you got saved? Which sins must we repent of to be saved? These are all questions that prove the muddiness of this salvation doctrine. 1John says we may know that we have eternal life. How? Believe in the record that God gave of his son, and that record is eternal life. ETERNAL life meaning when I get it I can't lose it. Salvation is a free gift, if you try to pay for it by being good then Christ is of no effect unto you. Our willingness can't get us saved. John 1:12-13
 
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No preoccupation here!! Don't hate the individual I just don't approve of the behavior.
I think this is a big issue. We often don't seem to have the capacity to separate people from their behavior..... and we breed, in the more extreme cases, Westboro Baptist Churches.
 
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Biblelogic01

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Um have any of you read the story of Sodom and Gomorrah?
 

know1

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'LGBT rights' is a big deal at the moment - and it's no secret that Hollywood has a gender to promote not just homosexuality, but sexual immorality in general.

As Christians, the only stance to hold is to with 100% authenticity and sincerity love everyone, regardless of their sexual proclivities.

Jesus taught to LOVE people, but to love someone doesn't necessarily mean that you agree with them, or that you're willing to approve of or participate in their lifestyle.

It's become a buzz word within the LGBT community to equate disagreement with homosexuality as a form of discrimination.

Discrimination is the devaluing of a human being. But the value of a human being has 0% to do with their sexual preference.

A heterosexual has no more value than a homosexual. Their value has nothing to do with sexual preference.

As human beings we're born with all kinds of desires. Some good, others bad. Some of our desires are selfishness - you see this in children who don't care about certain toys until another child wants to play with it. Sometimes we have desires to lie, hate, steal, put down others etc. These are all desires that we're to varying degrees born with, but our value, our worth isn't affected or influenced in any way by these tendencies.

Likewise, heterosexuals are born with desires towards people of the opposite gender, and those desires should be, as the writer of proverbs says; not awoken until the right time (marriage). When married they should be directed towards your spouse.

So we all have desires that are sinful, and we all make mistakes - but our identity has NOTHING to do with these desires. These desires don't define us.

Likewise, even if homosexual desire is something a child is born with, they aren't define by it. Just as a heterosexual can come to the cross, and place his evil desires before the feet of Jesus, and ask for forgiveness, reconciliation, and for Gods Spirit to do a miraculous work - so too can the homosexual.

Disagreeing with homosexuality isn't discrimination, it's not unloving - it's a moral stance. It has nothing to do with the value of a person, but the actions that person commits.

Jess loves people who have homosexual desires, he died for them. He values them so much, his blood was shed for them. Gods own blood. But he hates the sin. Loves the sinner, and hates the sins they commit.

The same is true of all forms of sexual immorality, and the same is true of lies, theft, witchcraft - which is what i would equate homosexuality too.
2Jn 1:9
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

2Jn 1:10
If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

2Jn 1:11
For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
 

know1

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"Repent means to stop the sinning" OK, well in my bible God repents more than anyone. So now what? You have like 7 steps to be saved. Why? Because you are trusting in yourself to "stop doing bad" or "starting something good" (lordship salvation heresy). Repent means to change your mind....about what? THE GOSPEL. Turn from your unbelief to belief. Stop believing in false Gods! Is it faith alone? Everyone agrees it is. What kind of Faith? Like a child. It doesn't have to be much faith, but it all must be on him for eternal life. Do you believe in eternal life? How do you know you repented enough when you got saved? Which sins must we repent of to be saved? These are all questions that prove the muddiness of this salvation doctrine. 1John says we may know that we have eternal life. How? Believe in the record that God gave of his son, and that record is eternal life. ETERNAL life meaning when I get it I can't lose it. Salvation is a free gift, if you try to pay for it by being good then Christ is of no effect unto you. Our willingness can't get us saved. John 1:12-13
Jas 2:14
What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith [alone] save him?

Jas 2:15
If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

Jas 2:16
And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

Jas 2:17
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Jas 2:18
Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

Jas 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Jas 2:20
But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Jas 2:21
Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

Jas 2:22
Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

Jas 2:23
And the scripture was fulfilled [when Abraham offered his son on the altar] which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

Jas 2:24
Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Jas 2:25
Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?

Jas 2:26
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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I have. The immoral denizens actually went beyond trying to have moral people imprisoned and bankrupted with hundreds of thousands of dollars in "civil rights" fines for not facilitating sacrilege (e.g. homosexual "marriage") when ordered to do so by homosexuals. They actually tried to homosexually rape angels.

Interestingly, you can see the seeds of this in the homosexual youth tribes/gangs forming in community parks in various parts of my state (e.g. California). Of course, Christ prophesied (as recorded in Luke 17 and elsewhere) that things would deteriorate to the extent immorality would be on the earth as it was in the days of Noah before the flood and the time of Lot before the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.


Um have any of you read the story of Sodom and Gomorrah?
 

Matthew24

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1 Don't base your doctrine off of questions. 2 Don't assume you know the answer to that question. 3. I'm assuming you are saying we must have faith plus works? well...if that is true, which it's not, it would contradict so many scripture that says it's by faith. James 2 is talking to believers here. He is explaining to them that it doesn't profit anyone else if we don't have works. He mentions Abraham (read romans 4). was Abraham justified when he offered his son Isaac on the alter? Yes...(romans 4) BUT NOT BEFORE GOD! so who was he justified by? MAN. you see? Man could see Abrahams faith by his works. Man can't see my faith, they can only see my works. GBU