VALIDITY OF THE WORD PROVEN BY SPECIFIC STATEMENTS

[dcontroversal]

Brothers, Sisters and Friends,

This post is a challenge to all who name Christ and in the name of Christ for Jesus Christ! I know that there are many differing opinions in this chat when it comes to the word of God and specific subjects. One thing we can ALL agree on is the fact that there is an all out challenge to biblical Christianity when it comes to the validity of the very truth that we all debate and dispute. I believe there are in the bible (specific statements) made by men who could not have known the things that they mentioned (based upon what Western Science would claim) which in essence either proves the ignorance of Western Science and or the validity of the very truth we all claim. I ask all who genuinely claim Christ make a stand and post a (specific statement) from scripture such as the following. Be sure to add when the thing became known to Western Science and or a verse that proves inspiration.

I will list this one first...

Until recently in the grand scheme of things the predominate thought was that the world was flat! Obviously we have all studied the histories concerning when the intelligent West figured out that the Earth was round, and you would not fall off the edge when you sailed West. Note the following verse which was given by Isaiah some 2100 years before the (Geniuses) figured out that the world was indeed round and not flat.

Isaiah 40:22 states, "It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in."

The Word of God proves itself as inspired and is full of amazing truths that modern man is just now figuring out and or have recently figured out in the last few hundred years or so.

What can you all come up with to prove the validity of the word of God?

 

[thecreationtutor]

Characteristics of Scientific Thinking

•Commitment to Certain Presupposition
•Idea that a person takes for granted, they assume to be true
•You presuppose (suppose it to be true, prior to using it)
•
•5 major presuppositions in order for knowledge to be possible
•Laws of Logic – a correct standard of reasoning
•Absolute morality – standard of morals

•Reliability of senses – you can trust your observations

•Reliability of memory – you can trust what you did in the past

•Uniformity of nature – repetitions, patterns, order

•Worldviews

•A worldview is made up of presuppositions

•Tells you how to interpret observations, and act accordingly

•

•Secular Scientists use the worldview of Naturalism

•Matter and the laws of nature are all that exist

•If you can’t see it, taste it, touch it, it doesn’t exist

•Time and chance gives you what you see today

•

•The Biblical Worldview is based on Scripture

•God made the world and everything in it

•The word is fallen into a tragic state because of sin

•God is working to redeem the world to Himself

•Thinking Christianly about Thinking Scientifically

•Curiosity in the Glory of God

•Romans 11:33

•“Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments and how inscrutable his ways!”

•

•Psalm 19

•1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament shows and proclaims His handiwork.

•2 Day after day pours forth speech, and night after night shows forth knowledge.

•3 There is no speech nor spoken word [from the stars]; their voice is not heard.

•4 Yet their voice [in evidence] goes out through all the earth, their sayings to the end of the world.

•

•Thinking Christianly about Thinking Scientifically

•Caution Controlled by Scripture

•The Bible encourages us to think critically

•1 John 4:1

•“Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world”

•

•Scripture is the basis of knowledge

•Proverbs 1:7

•“The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge; fools despise wisdom and instruction.”

•

•Thinking Christianly about Thinking Scientifically

•Commitment to Christian Presuppositions

•Only in them do we find what science cannot tell us

•Only in the Bible do we find the answer to the 5 presuppositions for knowledge to be possible

•

•Laws of Logic - reflection of God’s mind on His work – Image of God
•Absolute morality – God defined – Image of God
•Reliability of senses – Image of God
•Reliability of memory – Image of God

•Uniformity of nature – Gen 8:22 - a help for His creation

 

[dcontroversal]

Characteristics of Scientific Thinking

•Commitment to Certain Presupposition
•Idea that a person takes for granted, they assume to be true
•You presuppose (suppose it to be true, prior to using it)
•
•5 major presuppositions in order for knowledge to be possible
•Laws of Logic – a correct standard of reasoning
•Absolute morality – standard of morals

•Reliability of senses – you can trust your observations

•Reliability of memory – you can trust what you did in the past

•Uniformity of nature – repetitions, patterns, order

•Worldviews

•A worldview is made up of presuppositions

•Tells you how to interpret observations, and act accordingly

•

•Secular Scientists use the worldview of Naturalism

•Matter and the laws of nature are all that exist

•If you can’t see it, taste it, touch it, it doesn’t exist

•Time and chance gives you what you see today

•

•The Biblical Worldview is based on Scripture

•God made the world and everything in it

•The word is fallen into a tragic state because of sin

•God is working to redeem the world to Himself

•Thinking Christianly about Thinking Scientifically

•Curiosity in the Glory of God

•Romans 11:33

•“Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments and how inscrutable his ways!”

•

•Psalm 19

•1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament shows and proclaims His handiwork.

•2 Day after day pours forth speech, and night after night shows forth knowledge.

•3 There is no speech nor spoken word [from the stars]; their voice is not heard.

•4 Yet their voice [in evidence] goes out through all the earth, their sayings to the end of the world.

•

•Thinking Christianly about Thinking Scientifically

•Caution Controlled by Scripture

•The Bible encourages us to think critically

•1 John 4:1

•“Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world”

•

•Scripture is the basis of knowledge

•Proverbs 1:7

•“The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge; fools despise wisdom and instruction.”

•

•Thinking Christianly about Thinking Scientifically

•Commitment to Christian Presuppositions

•Only in them do we find what science cannot tell us

•Only in the Bible do we find the answer to the 5 presuppositions for knowledge to be possible

•

•Laws of Logic - reflection of God’s mind on His work – Image of God
•Absolute morality – God defined – Image of God
•Reliability of senses – Image of God
•Reliability of memory – Image of God

•Uniformity of nature – Gen 8:22 - a help for His creation

While I appreciate your zeal, I didn't ask for a book, but rather just one simple verse or statement like the following.


It wasn't until the 19th century that the (geniuses) figured out that the life was in the blood yet in Leviticus 17:11 we read, "For the life of the flesh is in the blood..."

Thanks anyway for your post! Appreciate it.

 

[starfield]

Human body is composed of elements found in the soil such as calcium, iron, and magnesium. The bible states that man was formed from the dust of the earth: Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

The stars in the sky are innumerable: Jeremiah 33:22 As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured: so will I multiply the seed of David my servant, and the Levites that minister unto me.

 

[Vernon]

Humanists believe humanity is basically good, but humanist thinking scientists created weapons of mass destruction that only purpose is to destroy humanity, proving that humanity is basically evil.

" The fool says in his heart, 'there is no God'. They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds, there is none who does good.
Pslam 14:1

 

[BELIEVE]

Brothers, Sisters and Friends,

This post is a challenge to all who name Christ and in the name of Christ for Jesus Christ! I know that there are many differing opinions in this chat when it comes to the word of God and specific subjects. One thing we can ALL agree on is the fact that there is an all out challenge to biblical Christianity when it comes to the validity of the very truth that we all debate and dispute. I believe there are in the bible (specific statements) made by men who could not have known the things that they mentioned (based upon what Western Science would claim) which in essence either proves the ignorance of Western Science and or the validity of the very truth we all claim. I ask all who genuinely claim Christ make a stand and post a (specific statement) from scripture such as the following. Be sure to add when the thing became known to Western Science and or a verse that proves inspiration.

I will list this one first...

Until recently in the grand scheme of things the predominate thought was that the world was flat! Obviously we have all studied the histories concerning when the intelligent West figured out that the Earth was round, and you would not fall off the edge when you sailed West. Note the following verse which was given by Isaiah some 2100 years before the (Geniuses) figured out that the world was indeed round and not flat.

Isaiah 40:22 states, "It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in."

The Word of God proves itself as inspired and is full of amazing truths that modern man is just now figuring out and or have recently figured out in the last few hundred years or so.

What can you all come up with to prove the validity of the word of God?

here is one brother dcontroversal.

genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

moses already knew the name of our planet that was given to him by god himself and recorded in god's holy word showing that his holy word lives on forever... mans words will fail and die... but god's holy word lives forever even unto eternity.

much love and god bless.

 

[Starcrash]

Humanists believe humanity is basically good, but humanist thinking scientists created weapons of mass destruction that only purpose is to destroy humanity, proving that humanity is basically evil.

" The fool says in his heart, 'there is no God'. They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds, there is none who does good.
Pslam 14:1

"Humanist thinking" didn't create weapons of mass destruction -- the US Government did, in an attempt to become the world's biggest superpower. Nor was the purpose "to destroy humanity", but rather to win World War 2. If we had wanted to destroy humanity, then it would've been destroyed once we had the tools. The creation of a weapon -- any weapon -- doesn't prove that "humanity is basically evil" because weapons can have useful purposes (defense, for example) and that same logic would prove that God was evil when he actually did destroy humanity in the flood (assuming you believe that story).

The fool says that God is proven because something in the bible is accurate. Isaiah 40:22 could be seen as accurate, or not (after all, a "circle" isn't necessarily a sphere and could be a flat disc) but it wouldn't prove the bible true if it was. There are easy ways to tell that the Earth is a sphere (it casts a round shadow on the moon, the other planets are all spheres, one can see the horizon isn't flat when moving towards a sunset) that don't require supernatural ability, even in Isaiah's day. There's absolutely nothing in the bible that couldn't have possibly been written by people living in those days... but I agree that if there were, it would at least be good evidence.

And this ignores the scientific silliness found in the bible. For example, stars are often seen as small enough to fall to Earth or stamp under foot.

 

[dcontroversal]

Human body is composed of elements found in the soil such as calcium, iron, and magnesium. The bible states that man was formed from the dust of the earth: Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

The stars in the sky are innumerable: Jeremiah 33:22 As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured: so will I multiply the seed of David my servant, and the Levites that minister unto me.

Excellent responses! Let us show the unbelievers that the Bible if full of poof which stands to the validity and inspiration of the word of God. Thanks Starfield

 

[Starcrash]

here is one brother dcontroversal.

genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

moses already knew the name of our planet that was given to him by god himself and recorded in god's holy word showing that his holy word lives on forever... mans words will fail and die... but god's holy word lives forever even unto eternity.

much love and god bless.

Why would knowing the name of our planet be proof that God exists? That's as silly as the story in Quran 2:31-34 where Allah proves that man is superior to angels by telling Adam what each animal's name is, asking the angels if they can name the animals, and then boasting about how inferior the angels are because Adam knows something that they don't. From outside your religion, it's easy to see why this is a very poor argument.

Earth's name isn't found in Genesis 1:1. The people who transcribed the bible into the KJV gave it the name (see Bonus Fact #1).

 

[ji]

""Humanist thinking" didn't create weapons of mass destruction -- the US Government did, in an attempt to become the world's biggest superpower. Nor was the purpose "to destroy humanity", but rather to win World War 2. If we had wanted to destroy humanity, then it would've been destroyed once we had the tools. The creation of a weapon -- any weapon -- doesn't prove that "humanity is basically evil" because weapons can have useful purposes (defense, for example) and that same logic would prove that God was evil when he actually did destroy humanity in the flood (assuming you believe that story)."

Actually,its wrong.Because the whole intention of super powers were to gain control all over the world.There is nothing 'christian' in it.Just because a country has so many Christians does not make it a Christian country.A Christian country in this damned world will be very different from all other countries in this world in endurance(facing suffering),tolerance,humility,and public manifestations of heavenly beings including the fact that visions and travelling of human souls back and forth in time to reveal mankind what happened really in this world and what is going to happen.Seeing Christ in visions and hearing his voice would not be be a rare thing in such a country.Just as in king solomon's time there was abundance of physical materials and spiritual things,there will be an abundance of everything.Satan will not dare to come near that country.All his troops will dare not even to speak about that country because of the fire wall of Holy Spirit they see enveloping that country.The devil knows this and that's why he tries so hard to NOT make that happen.
The only misunderstanding the superpowers of today's world has given is the fact that other countries mock Christianity because of the corrupt people in these 'so called developed-but not developed'governments of such countries work in the dark to promote evil.And the blame always goes to Christianity.
Sorry to say this.America was never a Christian nation.Britain was never.So were so many nations from the west.Some people even have a misunderstanding that Christianity came from west.But yes,there were so many missionaries from these countries who threw away their lives,families and jumped into the mission field and spend their life for Christ.Apart from all this,the scientific explanations given here for the existence of God is really good.Thanks to the people who contributed to this topic.

 

[Vernon]

"Humanist thinking" didn't create weapons of mass destruction -- the US Government did, in an attempt to become the world's biggest superpower. Nor was the purpose "to destroy humanity", but rather to win World War 2. If we had wanted to destroy humanity, then it would've been destroyed once we had the tools. The creation of a weapon -- any weapon -- doesn't prove that "humanity is basically evil" because weapons can have useful purposes (defense, for example) and that same logic would prove that God was evil when he actually did destroy humanity in the flood (assuming you believe that story).

The fool says that God is proven because something in the bible is accurate. Isaiah 40:22 could be seen as accurate, or not (after all, a "circle" isn't necessarily a sphere and could be a flat disc) but it wouldn't prove the bible true if it was. There are easy ways to tell that the Earth is a sphere (it casts a round shadow on the moon, the other planets are all spheres, one can see the horizon isn't flat when moving towards a sunset) that don't require supernatural ability, even in Isaiah's day. There's absolutely nothing in the bible that couldn't have possibly been written by people living in those days... but I agree that if there were, it would at least be good evidence.

And this ignores the scientific silliness found in the bible. For example, stars are often seen as small enough to fall to Earth or stamp under foot.

Huminist minded scientists did create the weapons of mass destruction.

 

[Starcrash]

Huminist minded scientists did create the weapons of mass destruction.

Do you even bother with facts or do you believe that just saying something often enough or loud enough makes it true?

I could argue with citations of my own, but the short answer given to my long reply suggests that you won't bother with them. Instead, I'm just going to ignore your assertions unless you can show me how they reflect known facts -- cite them.

 

[Starcrash]

""Humanist thinking" didn't create weapons of mass destruction -- the US Government did, in an attempt to become the world's biggest superpower. Nor was the purpose "to destroy humanity", but rather to win World War 2. If we had wanted to destroy humanity, then it would've been destroyed once we had the tools. The creation of a weapon -- any weapon -- doesn't prove that "humanity is basically evil" because weapons can have useful purposes (defense, for example) and that same logic would prove that God was evil when he actually did destroy humanity in the flood (assuming you believe that story)."

Actually,its wrong.Because the whole intention of super powers were to gain control all over the world.There is nothing 'christian' in it.Just because a country has so many Christians does not make it a Christian country.A Christian country in this damned world will be very different from all other countries in this world in endurance(facing suffering),tolerance,humility,and public manifestations of heavenly beings including the fact that visions and travelling of human souls back and forth in time to reveal mankind what happened really in this world and what is going to happen.Seeing Christ in visions and hearing his voice would not be be a rare thing in such a country.Just as in king solomon's time there was abundance of physical materials and spiritual things,there will be an abundance of everything.Satan will not dare to come near that country.All his troops will dare not even to speak about that country because of the fire wall of Holy Spirit they see enveloping that country.The devil knows this and that's why he tries so hard to NOT make that happen.
The only misunderstanding the superpowers of today's world has given is the fact that other countries mock Christianity because of the corrupt people in these 'so called developed-but not developed'governments of such countries work in the dark to promote evil.And the blame always goes to Christianity.
Sorry to say this.America was never a Christian nation.Britain was never.So were so many nations from the west.Some people even have a misunderstanding that Christianity came from west.But yes,there were so many missionaries from these countries who threw away their lives,families and jumped into the mission field and spend their life for Christ.Apart from all this,the scientific explanations given here for the existence of God is really good.Thanks to the people who contributed to this topic.

Why would there be nothing "Christian" in the idea of gaining control over the world? Is this not God's intention in the "Millennial Kingdom" -- to rule the Earth with complete power for 1000 years?

I agree that a country isn't Christian just because its majority is Christian, but it is equally fallacious to assume that a country is "humanist" just because it isn't secular -- that's a false dichotomy. I never asserted that it was a Christian country; my reasoning was that the creation of WMD's was intended to end WW2 based on the fact that this is exactly what happened once WMD's were created. It's just common sense that weapons are made to conduct war. This isn't considered evil in any other context where a country develops weapons, so why should we view the US as an exception?

I'd reply to the rest, but it's just so simply off-topic. You're arguing against an argument that was never made. My reply was that WMD's were not created to end humanity, and I think the evidence supports an alternative reason better (ending the war). I also argued that God is said to have destroyed humanity, and even though you quoted that, you didn't argue that there's a good reason for a double-standard or that I was wrong to assert that God destroyed humanity. Do you have an answer to that?

 

[Vernon]

Do you even bother with facts or do you believe that just saying something often enough or loud enough makes it true?

I could argue with citations of my own, but the short answer given to my long reply suggests that you won't bother with them. Instead, I'm just going to ignore your assertions unless you can show me how they reflect known facts -- cite them.

“The fact that no limits exist to the destructiveness of this weapon [the 'Super', i.e. the hydrogen bomb] makes its very existence and the knowledge of its construction a danger to humanity as a whole. It is necessarily an evil thing considered in any light. For these reasons, we believe it important for the President of the United States to tell the American public and the world what we think is wrong on fundamental ethical principles to initiate the development of such a weapon.”
― Enrico Fermi

 

[thecreationtutor]

it wasn't an attempt - it was proof