the black horse- wheat, barley, oil, and wine....thoughts on what it means?

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KittenofMelchisedek

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I have been noticing some changes in the world, and I don't know if anybody knows about them. I don't watch the news, though I do read some reports, I don't believe all that I read. What I do to keep a finger on the worlds pulse, is to watch for industry changes. When I say "industry changes" I'm talking about anything from music, advertizement, video games, technology, purfume, tv (though I don't watch tv)....I watch the people who have money and want more, for behavioral clues, and major shifts in culture. We are undergoing a major cultural shift right now, that nobody wants to talk about.

I know there are things that have been posted about what the four horses are (the white one is Rome, I forget what the Red one is, and the pale horse is the Nation of Islam). I have always thought the black one was the group comprised of those entities that engage in the occult but it's not, it's the spirit of the subversion of the will of God. Good thing God is sovereign and will only let that go so far.

ok I have a confession to make.....I secretly love hip hop music.
You can learn a lot about what's going on in the upper echelon from watching certain artists who are connected to certain families, and listening to what they say in their lyrics and interviews, and I'm saying -something wicked this way comes.

All of a sudden, a lot of artists are being openly evil and prideful about it. They are the thermometer for the desensitization of the masses. When they can act like a monster and are applauded and there's no more public outcry, then they know they can take things to the next level. We're there. Katy Perry even made a hit song about the black horse of revelations. I know that's what they're talking about, because they name the horse Karma (after the balances, which is the basis of the occult). It's not like just one or two bands like Ozzy or Manson, it's spreading like a disease, infecting all who take the mark. It's like watching a domino effect.


So I really wanna revisit what scripture says about the horses, and I wanna hear any input you guys might have because sometimes a difference of vantage point makes a big difference in understanding. I know there's an OT reference and I can't find it. I wanna make sure I have a biblical world view, and that I'm not resting in my own understanding.
 
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KittenofMelchisedek

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check out the video, there's no cursing, though it definitely isn't Christian....mute it and just read the lyrics if you have virgin ears....if you want, I mean, I can't twist your arm from all the way over here lol

Katy Perry - Dark Horse ft. Juicy J Lyrics (HQ) - YouTube

if the enemy is to icky to look at, we wont see it coming, and Jesus was clear for us to watch, so I'm watching.
 
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I have been noticing some changes in the world, and I don't know if anybody knows about them. I don't watch the news, though I do read some reports, I don't believe all that I read. What I do to keep a finger on the worlds pulse, is to watch for industry changes. When I say "industry changes" I'm talking about anything from music, advertizement, video games, technology, purfume, tv (though I don't watch tv)....I watch the people who have money and want more, for behavioral clues, and major shifts in culture. We are undergoing a major cultural shift right now, that nobody wants to talk about.

I know there are things that have been posted about what the four horses are (the white one is Rome, I forget what the Red one is, and the pale horse is the Nation of Islam). I have always thought the black one was the group comprised of those entities that engage in the occult but it's not, it's the spirit of the subversion of the will of God. Good thing God is sovereign and will only let that go so far.

ok I have a confession to make.....I secretly love hip hop music.
You can learn a lot about what's going on in the upper echelon from watching certain artists who are connected to certain families, and listening to what they say in their lyrics and interviews, and I'm saying -something wicked this way comes.

All of a sudden, a lot of artists are being openly evil and prideful about it. They are the thermometer for the desensitization of the masses. When they can act like a monster and are applauded and there's no more public outcry, then they know they can take things to the next level. We're there. Katy Perry even made a hit song about the black horse of revelations. I know that's what they're talking about, because they name the horse Karma (after the balances, which is the basis of the occult). It's not like just one or two bands like Ozzy or Manson, it's spreading like a disease, infecting all who take the mark. It's like watching a domino effect.


So I really wanna revisit what scripture says about the horses, and I wanna hear any input you guys might have because sometimes a difference of vantage point makes a big difference in understanding. I know there's an OT reference and I can't find it. I wanna make sure I have a biblical world view, and that I'm not resting in my own understanding.
Zechariah chapter 6.
 
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The restraining force of God's angels have all been eithdrawn.
The evil will become satanic
and the few faithful will be assaulted.
Time of troubnle.
They will pass laws to find and kill any Jew (bible keeper)
the system designed for terists (which there really aren't any)
is set up so they can sweep up all the Jews in one night,
like krystalnacht
search that out on google
terism is a scam
its to get the Jews when the hatred of them gets to the right level.
antichrist will come and blame everything on the Jews
then we run...

Be ready to run.

Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
 
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When antichrist (No scars in his hands)
comes and does miracles and heals the sick
and blames the Jews,
RUN!

P.S. He will say the Sabbath was changed to sunday,
Speaking against the Bible.
since that is his trap, don't believe it)
 
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The restraining force of God's angels have all been eithdrawn.
The evil will become satanic
and the few faithful will be assaulted.
Time of troubnle.
They will pass laws to find and kill any Jew (bible keeper)
the system designed for terists (which there really aren't any)
is set up so they can sweep up all the Jews in one night,
like krystalnacht
search that out on google
terism is a scam
its to get the Jews when the hatred of them gets to the right level.
antichrist will come and blame everything on the Jews
then we run...

Be ready to run.

Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
no doubt...run like the wind, hide and pray for God to cover you with his hand and hide you from the bloody and deceitful men.
 
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chubbena

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... They are the thermometer for the desensitization of the masses. When they can act like a monster and are applauded and there's no more public outcry...
On opening the third seal, a black horse appeared; a colour denoting mourning and woe, darkness and ignorance. He that sat on it had a yoke in his hand. Attempts were made to put a yoke of superstitious observances on the disciples. As the stream of Christianity flowed further from its pure fountain, it became more and more corrupt. During the progress of this black horse, the necessaries of life should be at excessive prices, and the more costly things should not be hurt. According to prophetic language, these articles signified that food of religious knowledge, by which the souls of men are sustained unto everlasting life; such we are invited to buy, Isa 55:1. But when the dark clouds of ignorance and superstition, denoted by the black horse, spread over the Christian world, the knowledge and practice of true religion became scarce. When a people loathe their spiritual food, God may justly deprive them of their daily bread. The famine of bread is a terrible judgment; but the famine of the word is more so - Matthew Henry.
 
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Karraster

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I agree with the OP. There are hints all around us, if we will only see.

Chubbena posted a link that interprets the 4 horsemen. I found it to fit with some things I've studied so far. Of course, no man has it all figured out, but keep studying and never stop trying to understand the Word, I always say.:)

The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
 
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KittenofMelchisedek

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Thanks guys, it's just that I've been on the other side, so when I see them doing stuff, it makes more sense to me than the casual onlooker. But it's so important to walk by faith and not by sight, which I'm trying to do, but I'm also trying to watch as commanded. It's going to be interesting for sure. Hip Hop music is a means of communication amongst certain groups, I always found gang culture interesting. A couple of gangs already have a lot of the masonic knowledge and encourage members to follow this stuff. Someone said the masons are going to make public the first couple stages of info, and I don't know how true it is, but if it is, we might see a LOT more sorcery here than we ever have. The messed up thing, is that it's all about money. It's very female, but perverted. Like the idea that women can be better men than men, and it claims to be Christian most of the time. Our next generation is going to be intensely interesting. The reason I focus on music, is because growing up without family or church, music was my teacher, and my teacher led me far astray. Now teens have even more access to filth than when I was a kid. It makes me wanna do youth ministry.
 

Nautilus

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check out the video, there's no cursing, though it definitely isn't Christian....mute it and just read the lyrics if you have virgin ears....if you want, I mean, I can't twist your arm from all the way over here lol

Katy Perry - Dark Horse ft. Juicy J Lyrics (HQ) - YouTube

if the enemy is to icky to look at, we wont see it coming, and Jesus was clear for us to watch, so I'm watching.
There is literally nothing in this song that has anything remotely to do with the horsemen of the apocalypse. It's a 'love' song of sorts that could just be about hooking up. But nothing apocalyptic. Its actually pretty similar to the rest of her songs that have been coming out the past few years. Though I guess if you to see demons everywhere be my guest.
 
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KittenofMelchisedek

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Nautilus, I'm sure you know more about hiphop than I do, I'm not going to argue about something so trivial. I posted hers as an example because it's pretty tame and the title happened to match, but if you listen to the lyrics, she's talking about the thelemic principal of the universe, which people call karma. You can push on the will of God or on the powers and principalities, but all of these things push back. As with most songs these days, there is another side where it can just be about hooking up and girl power, but neither of those things are Godly. And I didn't say she was a demon, but she is infected with the spirit of rebellion.

Anyway, we've had lots of posts and threads about the horses, but what about the wheat and barley, and oil and wine?

I'm thinking the oil and the wine are the anointing of God, and the blood of Christ. I'm pretty sure its gonna suck being the wheat and barley. I'm thinking maybe they are leftover Jews and people who rejected Christ. Any other thoughts?
 
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One year in the early 70's I spent months commercial fishing. Our radio had to do with fishing, we were too busy for newspapers, no TV. Finally bad seas drove us home and visiting. We gathered one evening to watch a cute TV movie. The heroine suddenly fell in love one day and that night they moved in together. We were shocked that such a thing would be shown as perfectly natural right on TV. Everyone else in the room was bewildered by our reaction. They had gradually been shown things that led up to accepting this as the norm.

We are reacting the same way today. There are drug overdose, arrests, homosexuals as leading acclaimed stars, and even public broadcasting stations telling us to accept it all.

Can you imagine what would happen if today's church said we should protect our minds from seeing and hearing such things as scripture suggests, for instance in Phil 4:8, the verse that tells us what we are to let in our minds.
 

Nautilus

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the karma reference is actually a rather tongue in cheek way of referring to the girl in the song as a less than appropriate term. You know karma is a... That girl is karma is the same as...well im sure youve got it by now. Im just curious as to why people are constantly trying to stretch things to fit their conspiracies?
 

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Black horse is explained in this video:

[video=youtube;gBdBTzIJjv4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBdBTzIJjv4[/video]
 
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KittenofMelchisedek

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in art, many things have multiple interpretations, I would think it was a stretch too if I didn't have other stuff to make me go hmmmmmmmm....=)
 
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KittenofMelchisedek

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But Hizikyah, what about the barley and the wheat?
 

Hizikyah

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But Hizikyah, what about the barley and the wheat?

a denarius was one days wages in the times this was written, a quart of wheat was days worth of higher quality food enough for one person for a day, barley is lower quality therefore the some money get 4 times as much.

It is called egyptian slavery or in modern times living paycheck to paycheck.

A financial control system that dominates the people.
 
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chubbena

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I agree with the OP. There are hints all around us, if we will only see.

Chubbena posted a link that interprets the 4 horsemen. I found it to fit with some things I've studied so far. Of course, no man has it all figured out, but keep studying and never stop trying to understand the Word, I always say.:)

The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
I figured if I memorize what's written and have an open mind to opinions I would know when the time comes. I find it interesting to see Matthew, Mark and Luke wrote down Yeshua's end time prophecy within the gospels but John has it in a separate book and I believe one must harmonize all four in order to understand properly.
I guess the OP has said something right evident by the scoffers around.
 
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Karraster

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I figured if I memorize what's written and have an open mind to opinions I would know when the time comes. I find it interesting to see Matthew, Mark and Luke wrote down Yeshua's end time prophecy within the gospels but John has it in a separate book and I believe one must harmonize all four in order to understand properly.
I guess the OP has said something right evident by the scoffers around.
Yes, I agree. Interesting that the prophets mentions Tzemach BRANCH 5 times, and is defined as:

King
Servent
Son of Man
Son of God
Righteous Judge

and that matches Mathew Mark Luke John, and Revelations respectively. Mathew spoke of Messiah as King, Mark spoke of Messiah as Servant...and so forth. Now I see Revelations as a Gospel, and is good news, at the end that is. (Not that tribulation sounds like fun)