10 Ireconsilable Question The "Modern Pharisees " Can Not Answer.

[Nick1939]

It Puzzles Me To Thing How Can I Answer This 10 Questions, While The Trinitarians Can Not,Being Real That Is. So I Asked
(1) Can One Begotten Himself? While God In Hebr 1:5 Said Thou Are My Son This Day Have I Begotten Thee ?
(2) Can One Say, My Father Is Greater Than I; And Yet Be The Most High God, The Almighty, Who Only Has Imortality
1 Tim 6:15-16
(3) Can One Say, He Does Not Know The Day Or The Hour,And Yet Only The Father Knows/?Mark 13:32
(4) Can One Say, There Is NO GOD Besides Me, Isaiah 44:8, And Yet Say In John 20:17,I Am Ascending To My Father
And Your Father,And To My GOD AND YOUR GOD?
(5) Can One Say, I And The Father Are One John 10:30,And Yet Say,Not My Will ,But Your Will Be Done, Mat 26:39-42.
(6) Can One Sit On His Own Right Hand? Mat 22:42-46 Sit On MY RIGHT HAND, Until I Make Thy Enemies Thy Footstool.
(7) Can One Say,Why Call Me Good,; There Is None Good,But The Father, And Yet He Is The Father/? BE REAL...
(8) Can One Subject All Things Under His Feet;And Yet He Being Exempt ? 1 Cor 15:27.
(9) Can One Receive A Kingdom To Reign , And At The End Deliver That Kingdom To Himself,And Be Subject To Himself?
11 Cor 15:28.
(10) NO WONDER Prov 30:4 The Question Is Asked, Who Has Ascended Into Heaven Or Descended ? Who Has Gather
The Wind In His Fists ? Who Has Bound The Waters In A garment? Who Has Establish All The Ends Of The Earth?
WHAT IS HIS NAME AND WHAT IS HIS SONS NAME If You Know?...
This 10 Ireconsilable Questions That The Modern Pharisees Can NOT ANSWER,Prevent Me From Becoming
A Trinitarian, .....And Be Realistic ....... God Bless......

 

[crossnote]

Let me ask one.
Was Jesus a deceiver,deranged or God when He received worship from others?

Exodus 20:3, 5 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

 

[dcontroversal]

Let me ask one.
Was Jesus a deceiver,deranged or God when He received worship from others?

Exodus 20:3, 5 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

Not to mention the fact that the II Corinthians calls for God's people to be open to learning and instruction as there is always a deeper truth to uncover. The above 10 sets of scripture are either absolute truth or not worth the paper they were written on...I will go with true and they mean what they say and say what they mean!

 

[lookuptoseeJesus]

God can't lie.
his word is true.
Believe on him
believe and do.

Don't worry bout
the things you know
or things you don't
God's word is so.

 

[RedTent]

I know who the Pharisees were in Jesus' day, they were the strict followers of what they thought was the church and wasn't, they had little understanding of scripture, but often quoted it. They were the scholarly religious ones of their day.

I know who I think scripture points to as the Pharisees of our day, but who do you think scripture points to as Pharisees?

 

[Karraster]

It Puzzles Me To Thing How Can I Answer This 10 Questions, While The Trinitarians Can Not,Being Real That Is. So I Asked
(1) Can One Begotten Himself? While God In Hebr 1:5 Said Thou Are My Son This Day Have I Begotten Thee ?
(2) Can One Say, My Father Is Greater Than I; And Yet Be The Most High God, The Almighty, Who Only Has Imortality
1 Tim 6:15-16
(3) Can One Say, He Does Not Know The Day Or The Hour,And Yet Only The Father Knows/?Mark 13:32
(4) Can One Say, There Is NO GOD Besides Me, Isaiah 44:8, And Yet Say In John 20:17,I Am Ascending To My Father
And Your Father,And To My GOD AND YOUR GOD?
(5) Can One Say, I And The Father Are One John 10:30,And Yet Say,Not My Will ,But Your Will Be Done, Mat 26:39-42.
(6) Can One Sit On His Own Right Hand? Mat 22:42-46 Sit On MY RIGHT HAND, Until I Make Thy Enemies Thy Footstool.
(7) Can One Say,Why Call Me Good,; There Is None Good,But The Father, And Yet He Is The Father/? BE REAL...
(8) Can One Subject All Things Under His Feet;And Yet He Being Exempt ? 1 Cor 15:27.
(9) Can One Receive A Kingdom To Reign , And At The End Deliver That Kingdom To Himself,And Be Subject To Himself?
11 Cor 15:28.
(10) NO WONDER Prov 30:4 The Question Is Asked, Who Has Ascended Into Heaven Or Descended ? Who Has Gather
The Wind In His Fists ? Who Has Bound The Waters In A garment? Who Has Establish All The Ends Of The Earth?
WHAT IS HIS NAME AND WHAT IS HIS SONS NAME If You Know?...
This 10 Ireconsilable Questions That The Modern Pharisees Can NOT ANSWER,Prevent Me From Becoming
A Trinitarian, .....And Be Realistic ....... God Bless......

I blindly accepted the trinity as prescribed by some 30 something year old, (can't recall his name) in around 300 of the common "error" (CE) in the early church, as I understand how it came about. Yet, none of the followers of Messiah said such. The Father has granted all authority to the Son, and no man enters the Kingdom by any other name than Messiah, etc.

The Father and Son are of one accord, yet still the Father is the Father and the Son is the Son.

I guess we try to wrap our minds around the things we can't really express with words, and maybe no ill intent was behind the invention, however, I can't help notice that the Trinity concept has perhaps allowed some to distance themselves from Torah. If you can say they are (Father, Son, Spirit) are 3 persons in one godhead, then it's not a far leap to say God changed His mind and through Messiah proved Torah was tossed out.

Father and Son agree, and have always and will forevermore.

 

[starfield]

It Puzzles Me To Thing How Can I Answer This 10 Questions, While The Trinitarians Can Not,Being Real That Is. So I Asked
(1) Can One Begotten Himself? While God In Hebr 1:5 Said Thou Are My Son This Day Have I Begotten Thee ?
(2) Can One Say, My Father Is Greater Than I; And Yet Be The Most High God, The Almighty, Who Only Has Imortality
1 Tim 6:15-16
(3) Can One Say, He Does Not Know The Day Or The Hour,And Yet Only The Father Knows/?Mark 13:32
(4) Can One Say, There Is NO GOD Besides Me, Isaiah 44:8, And Yet Say In John 20:17,I Am Ascending To My Father
And Your Father,And To My GOD AND YOUR GOD?
(5) Can One Say, I And The Father Are One John 10:30,And Yet Say,Not My Will ,But Your Will Be Done, Mat 26:39-42.
(6) Can One Sit On His Own Right Hand? Mat 22:42-46 Sit On MY RIGHT HAND, Until I Make Thy Enemies Thy Footstool.
(7) Can One Say,Why Call Me Good,; There Is None Good,But The Father, And Yet He Is The Father/? BE REAL...
(8) Can One Subject All Things Under His Feet;And Yet He Being Exempt ? 1 Cor 15:27.
(9) Can One Receive A Kingdom To Reign , And At The End Deliver That Kingdom To Himself,And Be Subject To Himself?
11 Cor 15:28.
(10) NO WONDER Prov 30:4 The Question Is Asked, Who Has Ascended Into Heaven Or Descended ? Who Has Gather
The Wind In His Fists ? Who Has Bound The Waters In A garment? Who Has Establish All The Ends Of The Earth?
WHAT IS HIS NAME AND WHAT IS HIS SONS NAME If You Know?...
This 10 Ireconsilable Questions That The Modern Pharisees Can NOT ANSWER,Prevent Me From Becoming
A Trinitarian, .....And Be Realistic ....... God Bless......

It's evident that you're clueless about the triune nature of God.

 

[Cobus]

I and the FATHER ARE ONE! If you knew the Father you would have known ME! I am HE! God in the flesh = JESUS. Jesus in the Spirit = GOD!

The Holy Spirit is ONE GOD. Holy Spirit in flesh = Jesus. Holy Spirit in Spirit = Father (in Spirit) and SON (in flesh) STILL ONE GOD!

This is how it works..... How does God make you ONE WITH HIM and a SON OF GOD? He glorifies you with the Holy Spirit. The moment God glorifies you with the Holy Spirit (IN FULL) then you are "Christ - like" and a SON OF FATHER IN HEAVEN....

Jesus was the Son of God from day ONE, because THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS THE FATHER OF JESUS.... It was the HOLY SPIRIT that made MARY PREAGNANT. No man was the FATHER of Jesus.... When we are BORN OF GOD when HE FILLS us with HIS HOLY SPIRIT we are as HOLY and AS GLORIFIED as Jesus.... That is how we are made PERFECTLY ONE...

John 17... And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
Joh 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

And that is how Even we can be ONE WITH GOD. Thge SEED of GOd REMAINETH IN US AFTER THAT BIRTH.... 1 JOh 3: Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

 

[thecreationtutor]

It Puzzles Me To Thing How Can I Answer This 10 Questions, While The Trinitarians Can Not,Being Real That Is. So I Asked
(1) Can One Begotten Himself? While God In Hebr 1:5 Said Thou Are My Son This Day Have I Begotten Thee ?
(2) Can One Say, My Father Is Greater Than I; And Yet Be The Most High God, The Almighty, Who Only Has Imortality
1 Tim 6:15-16
(3) Can One Say, He Does Not Know The Day Or The Hour,And Yet Only The Father Knows/?Mark 13:32
(4) Can One Say, There Is NO GOD Besides Me, Isaiah 44:8, And Yet Say In John 20:17,I Am Ascending To My Father
And Your Father,And To My GOD AND YOUR GOD?
(5) Can One Say, I And The Father Are One John 10:30,And Yet Say,Not My Will ,But Your Will Be Done, Mat 26:39-42.
(6) Can One Sit On His Own Right Hand? Mat 22:42-46 Sit On MY RIGHT HAND, Until I Make Thy Enemies Thy Footstool.
(7) Can One Say,Why Call Me Good,; There Is None Good,But The Father, And Yet He Is The Father/? BE REAL...
(8) Can One Subject All Things Under His Feet;And Yet He Being Exempt ? 1 Cor 15:27.
(9) Can One Receive A Kingdom To Reign , And At The End Deliver That Kingdom To Himself,And Be Subject To Himself?
11 Cor 15:28.
(10) NO WONDER Prov 30:4 The Question Is Asked, Who Has Ascended Into Heaven Or Descended ? Who Has Gather
The Wind In His Fists ? Who Has Bound The Waters In A garment? Who Has Establish All The Ends Of The Earth?
WHAT IS HIS NAME AND WHAT IS HIS SONS NAME If You Know?...
This 10 Ireconsilable Questions That The Modern Pharisees Can NOT ANSWER,Prevent Me From Becoming
A Trinitarian, .....And Be Realistic ....... God Bless......

can any of these questions be not carnal and of no knowledge of God? Adding the accusation if we don't agree with you, we must be pharisee's - that's awesome, I wouldn't want to be a pharisee, so I guess I'd better agree

But if you are without the Spirit of God, you are not of His

Many scriptures that point to Father, Son, Holy Spirit
1 John 4:12-13
John 17:20-21
Matt 3L17
Matt 11:25
Heb 9:13-14
John 6:39
John 14:19
Luke 1:35
Luke 3:22
Romans 1:4

God of Abraham - Father - looking for his prodigal son - Father looking for the lost
God of Isaac - Son - looking for his lost sheep - Son looking for the lost
God of Israel - Spirit - looking for his lost coin - Spirit looking for the lost

can you come up with some real questions...

 

[lookuptoseeJesus]

Jesus would not make a list like that.
He would say
What is that to thee? Follow thou me!

 

[Stephen63]

Seems like a catch-22 either believing it or not....... When such statements are made, one must question motive. One of the things the prophets of the Old Testament & Jesus had in common was they exposed wrong motives in people seemingly doing right things. "From the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaketh". That same heart will also expose their own motives eventually, knowingly or not.

 

[danschance]

I thought about responding to the 10 claims but then I realized it would not make a spit's difference. Why throw pearls before swine?

 

[Nick1939]

I thought about responding to the 10 claims but then I realized it would not make a spit's difference. Why throw pearls before swine?

When You Can Not Answer The 10 Questions , Don't Call Them Swine, First Answered Them With Scriptures And Truth
And You Have The Right To Speak Evil ,If You Find Them False... God Bless...

 

[Nick1939]

It's evident that you're clueless about the triune nature of God.

That Is Right I Don't Have A Clue, To The Evidence To Support The Doctrine Of The Trinity Logical Speaking; Can You Help
Without Traditional Teaching , Because Someone Told You So; If No One Has NOT Told About Trinity, By Yourself You Would
Never New About,Because You Never Read It In The Bible. Is Not That True? If You Readed Tell Me Where,So I Can Read It
Also; Please Speak The Truth In LOVE, Ephe 4:15..... God Bless...

 

[Nick1939]

I blindly accepted the trinity as prescribed by some 30 something year old, (can't recall his name) in around 300 of the common "error" (CE) in the early church, as I understand how it came about. Yet, none of the followers of Messiah said such. The Father has granted all authority to the Son, and no man enters the Kingdom by any other name than Messiah, etc.

The Father and Son are of one accord, yet still the Father is the Father and the Son is the Son.

I guess we try to wrap our minds around the things we can't really express with words, and maybe no ill intent was behind the invention, however, I can't help notice that the Trinity concept has perhaps allowed some to distance themselves from Torah. If you can say they are (Father, Son, Spirit) are 3 persons in one godhead, then it's not a far leap to say God changed His mind and through Messiah proved Torah was tossed out.

Father and Son agree, and have always and will forevermore.

Right On, In Agreement Yes You Eyes Are Open , Lets Hope And Pray The Blind Receive His Sight And See As We See The
Truth, Stay With The Truth And The Truth Will Make You Free. God Bless...

 

[crossnote]

When You Can Not Answer The 10 Questions , Don't Call Them Swine, First Answered Them With Scriptures And Truth
And You Have The Right To Speak Evil ,If You Find Them False... God Bless...

Can you answer post #2? Why did Jesus never deny someone to worship Him?
If He is not God receiving worship then He's a usurper and not worthy of worship.

 

[danschance]

When You Can Not Answer The 10 Questions , Don't Call Them Swine, First Answered Them With Scriptures And Truth
And You Have The Right To Speak Evil ,If You Find Them False... God Bless...

I can answer the all ten claims. Yet why should I? Do you think it will change anyone's opinion? If that guy is so convinced he is right and makes a ten point list, trust me--there is nothing I can say that will show him he is in error. You can not change a closed mind.

 

[john832]

I and the FATHER ARE ONE! If you knew the Father you would have known ME! I am HE! God in the flesh = JESUS. Jesus in the Spirit = GOD!

The Holy Spirit is ONE GOD. Holy Spirit in flesh = Jesus. Holy Spirit in Spirit = Father (in Spirit) and SON (in flesh) STILL ONE GOD!

This is how it works..... How does God make you ONE WITH HIM and a SON OF GOD? He glorifies you with the Holy Spirit. The moment God glorifies you with the Holy Spirit (IN FULL) then you are "Christ - like" and a SON OF FATHER IN HEAVEN....

Jesus was the Son of God from day ONE, because THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS THE FATHER OF JESUS.... It was the HOLY SPIRIT that made MARY PREAGNANT. No man was the FATHER of Jesus.... When we are BORN OF GOD when HE FILLS us with HIS HOLY SPIRIT we are as HOLY and AS GLORIFIED as Jesus.... That is how we are made PERFECTLY ONE...

John 17... And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
Joh 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

And that is how Even we can be ONE WITH GOD. Thge SEED of GOd REMAINETH IN US AFTER THAT BIRTH.... 1 JOh 3: Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Gen 2:23 And Adam said: "This is now bone of my bones And flesh of my flesh; She shall be called Woman, Because she was taken out of Man."
Gen 2:24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.

You and your wife Siamese twins are ye?

 

[john832]

I can answer the all ten claims. Yet why should I? Do you think it will change anyone's opinion? If that guy is so convinced he is right and makes a ten point list, trust me--there is nothing I can say that will show him he is in error. You can not change a closed mind.

Well, you know you won't change mine. I am as adamant as flint.

 

[danschance]

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God.

If Jesus is God but Not God then you have two Gods. That is a big problem as the bible clearly states there is only one God (Deut. 6:4). The Jehovah's Witnesses claim Jesus is a small god but Jehovah is The God. This means they have two Gods (polytheism).