Is there such a thing as an atheist?

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Umberto

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How can you hope to have a reasonable discussion regarding what an atheist might, or might not be, if the rules of this website prohibit their active participation?

Rule 1. Nothing anti-Christian

I suggest that your premise that 'atheists' are liars only confirms that you actually hold no interest in an answer to the leading question of this thread since you've determined that any actual response is lacking credibility. The assertion reminds me of the argument made by biggots who assert that no one could have a sexual attraction to someone outside their race or gender. Any assertion to the contrary only generate anger rather than a consideration of the alternative.
 
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Umberto said:
How can you hope to have a reasonable discussion regarding what an atheist might, or might not be, if the rules of this website prohibit their active participation?
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The definition of the word "atheist" is not debatable.

The Bible declares them liars and fools.

Case closed.
 
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guys im going to say this once why is god the only exception to something cant come from nothing please explain why cause i see it before the big bang (im an atheist wow that's a surprise) there was nothing so by techinequaly thinking if nothing not time space gravity anything was made what said that pure energy cant just randomly form attract to each other then expand rapidly (srry for some spelling errors)
 
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wait am i in a completly diffrent form wops
 
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our Lord, married a whole people of 'whoredoms'. (us)
what's a prophet two to make His point?

(oops)!!
 
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hypster said:
...why is god the only exception to something cant come from nothing...
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Someone always sets up the dominoes and gives the first one a tip before the others fall. Why is this difficult to understand?

A movie always has a producer and a project team before the showings begin. Will a movie just show up in a theater if there wasn't a process of events that put it there?

Will a new car (with keys) just show up in your driveway if someone didn't put it there?

It is illogical to assert a universe showing up from nothing just like there would be no logic to a movie or a new motor vehicle showing up from nothing.

Do you believe in magic? Do you believe in cosmic consciousness? Are you biased against a God who is different and separate from yourself?
 
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hypster said:
...why is god the only exception to something cant come from nothing please explain why cause i see it before the big bang (im an atheist wow that's a surprise) there was nothing...
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The big bang is a theory based on evidence and detective work about the origin of the universe. None of us were eye-witnesses to events at the beginning of the universe. The big bang shows a beginning but someone needed to launch that beginning.

Someone needs to be the first someone. A journey begins with the first step. Someone always makes the first move. God exists from everlasting to everlasting and appears to have created time itself. Yes, God is exceptional.

Jesus Christ is the exception among mankind. He was the only virgin-born, sinless, God-man. Jesus was the only sinless person and the only Redeemer capable of bearing the penalty for the sins of others.

God is holy and righteous and Sovereign. God owes nothing to anyone but will always act within His blameless character.
 
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Getting something from nothing is called magic.

I do not believe in magic; I do believe in God.
 
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hypster said:
guys im going to say this once why is god the only exception to something cant come from nothing please explain why cause i see it before the big bang (im an atheist wow that's a surprise) there was nothing so by techinequaly thinking if nothing not time space gravity anything was made what said that pure energy cant just randomly form attract to each other then expand rapidly (srry for some spelling errors)
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Dude, no one said He came from nothing. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I would bet lunch you have no clue how an automatic transmission works. It still upshifts and downshift for you tho, doesn't it?

All creation testifies of a creator. Just because you don't know how you got here doesn't mean you aren't here, now does it?
 
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Had to find a thread to put this up on so I dug up an old one. atheism.jpg
 
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The question isn't whether God exists, but if he is good.

I would say there is a such thing as an atheist Christain. a person that believes there is a God/Jesus but is without him in the sense that they live in the flesh.
 
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Revelator7 said:
The question isn't whether God exists, but if he is good.

I would say there is a such thing as an atheist Christain. a person that believes there is a God/Jesus but is without him in the sense that they live in the flesh.
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That's not the definition of "atheist."

Words have meaning. . .let's not redefine the language.
 
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Revelator7 said:
The question isn't whether God exists, but if he is good.
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And that is an interesting question.

You have two characters... Lets call them A and B

Character A wants you to follow him. If you don't do what he says then he has been known to sent armies to the people that don't follow him and his armies will kill all them as well as their wives and children.

Character A will ensure you suffer eternal torment after you die if you don't do what he demands.

Character A has also been known to wipe out the entire world, save for a few people who still do what he says.

Character A has a recorded death toll in the millions.


Character B doesn't want people to follow character A... That's pretty much all he his guilty of.


If this was in another story then Character B would obviously be the good guy trying to overthrow the dictator... There is however one story, and one story alone where for some reason character A is the good guy.


So yeah, based on the extremely limited information given about Satan in the bible... And the sheer amounts of genocide and Pain inflicted by Yahweh... You ask a great question... Is he really good?
 
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And that is an interesting question.

You have two characters... Lets call them A and B

Character A wants you to follow him. If you don't do what he says then he has been known to sent armies to the people that don't follow him and his armies will kill all them as well as their wives and children.

Character A will ensure you suffer eternal torment after you die if you don't do what he demands.

Character A has also been known to wipe out the entire world, save for a few people who still do what he says.

Character A has a recorded death toll in the millions.

Character B doesn't want people to follow character A... That's pretty much all he his guilty of.

If this was in another story then Character B would obviously be the good guy trying to overthrow the dictator... There is however one story, and one story alone where for some reason character A is the good guy.

So yeah, based on the extremely limited information given about Satan in the bible... And the sheer amounts of genocide and Pain inflicted by Yahweh... You ask a great question... Is he really good?
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Based on your extremely limited spiritual apprehension, one would expect such an extremely limited conclusion from you.
 
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Then you'll have no problem pointing out to me the exact atrocities that Satan committed.
 
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Then you'll have no problem pointing out to me the exact atrocities that Satan committed.
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The problem is not what I can or cannot point out, it's what you can or cannot spiritually apprehend.

You can spiritually apprehend nothing. . .zip. . .zero. . .nada. . .
 
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phil112 said:
Had to find a thread to put this up on so I dug up an old one. View attachment 89286
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To sustain the belief that there is no VOLTRON, A-VOLTRONISM has to demonstrate infinite knowledge, which is tantamount to saying, "I have infinite knowledge that there is no being in existence with infinite TRANSFORMATION CAPABILITIES."

Do we need to know absolutely everything in order to know God isn't real? Arguably, one could state we can't truly no anything without having full 100% knowledge of everything, and even then we could never know if what we know is absolutely true - but that's if you want to get super deep. But we don't need to head down that route because it's really much more simple than that.

If you claim God exists, then you should be able to prove he exists. If your argument is, "You can't prove he does not exists", which is what Ravi Zacharias is essentially doing, then all you're doing is shifting the burden of proof. We don't claim unproven things to be true until dis-proven because there is an infinite number of things we can't disprove.
 
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Elin said:
The problem is not what I can or cannot point out, it's what you can or cannot spiritually apprehend.

You can spiritually apprehend nothing. . .zip. . .zero. . .nada. . .
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The only way you can prove he can't comprehend your explanation is if you actually provide your explanation. Otherwise, there's no way to discern whether he really can't comprehend your explanation or if you simply don't know yourself.
 
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