Archaeology and the Bible

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Tintin

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No there have been several. One was directly on Mt. Ararat, another in the southern part of the country. I'm not going to dig them all up. :)

The evidence toward this one being the "true ark" is pretty astounding, when you read into it. The only thing that stops me is the metal that was found. Noah would not have likely had refined metal. If that can be reconciled, I can't see any other reason this wouldn't be the place. What specific objections do you have?
Yes, the mountains of Ararat are in Turkey though. You're confusing me. Here, let me find you a few articles that talk about the "credibility" of these Noah's Ark findings:

Ark location - creation.com
Special report: Amazing 'Ark' exposé - creation.com
Special Report: Amazing “Ark” Exposé - Answers in Genesis
 
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No there have been several. One was directly on Mt. Ararat, another in the southern part of the country. I'm not going to dig them all up. :)

The evidence toward this one being the "true ark" is pretty astounding, when you read into it. The only thing that stops me is the metal that was found. Noah would not have likely had refined metal. If that can be reconciled, I can't see any other reason this wouldn't be the place. What specific objections do you have?
For the sake of argument I will list a few things....

Solomon said...Nothing new under the sun, that which is going to be (future) has already been (past)

Humanity naturally assumes that we are all that and a bag of chips when it comes to the technology that we presently have...

1. God wiped away all traces of humanity fairly well with the flood
2. And Zillah, she also bare Tubal-Cain, and instructer of EVERY artificer in brass and iron.....<---before flood
3. Humanity was just as intelligent as we are this day and who can say for sure what type of society (technology) that there was before the flood.
 
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RedTent--I agree so much that the revelations of archaeology are forcing the church to take a closer look. I think any believer worth his/her salt should be taking a closer look, but especially the non-believer. I believe that every believer should be praying for the ears to hear and the eyes to see at this juncture in time. Never before has all the information in the world been available at the touch of a finger. I am impatient with the non-believer, yes, but it is the believer that has buried their talent in the dirt and made no effort to invest it that breaks my heart. We are all given one talent to invest, not bury.

I think it takes more faith to open your eyes and explore new ideas than it does to live in the safety of the fences we spiritually build for ourselves. I think I'm getting to a thought here, so bear with me. :) When faced with archaeological truths that seem contrary to the word, or ideals that seem contrary to mainstream belief, those who truly walk in faith will pray for discernment. They will reach out to that thought or idea, looking for the sign from above that it is or is not accurate or not biblical. The faith part is in believing that the Father has arms strong enough to protect you from harm and a light bright enough to show you the path. Hiding inside the limits of what you've been shown to believe takes no courage, and no accountability, for one's own learning process. It does not invest the talent. Actively seeking to learn the details of what's behind the Bible, to find each new revelation that his word is TRUE! HalleluYah, HalleluYah, he is risen, Yeshua, Yah's Salvation, has risen, and we can all be free of the death penalty of sin! :D
You are the first person who has agreed with me, I feel blessed. I have been studying OT using the lesson plan of a man who spent eight years studying bible in light of these findings. He starts with genesis and with each chapter he shows how it developed in the New Testament. My pastor won't speak with me about it at all, he says it sounds like the roots movement and has pronounced that movement completely wrong. All my family agrees. I have learned why God gave dietary laws and why it is fine for the missionaries to the gentiles not to teach them. I have learned about the feasts. What salt meant to them. I cannot understand why the established church is so frightened of learning what Christ knew and often referred to.

I think just learning what is meant by the Son of Man as it applies to Christ was worth lots of my study.

It has only been about 50 years that we have had this information. My pastor still won't let us talk together about this, but there is now a class at church on archaeology. Dr. Virgil, my pastor, still will not discuss this with me, but the other day, as he hurried by me giving me no time to react, he said "You might have been right all along".
 
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This is a link where the tests for the type of metal are revealed. The argument had to do with the aluminum, but I may have to dig back in my research for that link. Wyatt Archaeological Research - Official Site of Ron Wyatt's Discoveries If I find my research on it, I'll tag you.



For the sake of argument I will list a few things....

Solomon said...Nothing new under the sun, that which is going to be (future) has already been (past)

Humanity naturally assumes that we are all that and a bag of chips when it comes to the technology that we presently have...

1. God wiped away all traces of humanity fairly well with the flood
2. And Zillah, she also bare Tubal-Cain, and instructer of EVERY artificer in brass and iron.....<---before flood
3. Humanity was just as intelligent as we are this day and who can say for sure what type of society (technology) that there was before the flood.
 
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Who is this teacher you are learning from? Are the works available online?

It's hard for people to come out of their comfort zone. Their pew at church is warm and chummy, the faces are smiling, the rituals are being done, the same way they have always been done. It's hypnotic, in it's way. What might they have to give up if they acknowledge that they shouldn't be working on Sabbath, or that the rituals they hold dear might not be what they thought they were? What might they have to change about the way they live, or what ridicule will they face from friends and family? The concept of "coming out of Babylon" is a lovely one, but once you realize the real scope of what Babylon is, it becomes apparent what that may mean in one's life very quickly, doesn't it?

I would urge you, of course, to be careful, and hold all "learning" up against the Bible for verification.

You are the first person who has agreed with me, I feel blessed. I have been studying OT using the lesson plan of a man who spent eight years studying bible in light of these findings. He starts with genesis and with each chapter he shows how it developed in the New Testament. My pastor won't speak with me about it at all, he says it sounds like the roots movement and has pronounced that movement completely wrong. All my family agrees. I have learned why God gave dietary laws and why it is fine for the missionaries to the gentiles not to teach them. I have learned about the feasts. What salt meant to them. I cannot understand why the established church is so frightened of learning what Christ knew and often referred to.

I think just learning what is meant by the Son of Man as it applies to Christ was worth lots of my study.

It has only been about 50 years that we have had this information. My pastor still won't let us talk together about this, but there is now a class at church on archaeology. Dr. Virgil, my pastor, still will not discuss this with me, but the other day, as he hurried by me giving me no time to react, he said "You might have been right all along".
 
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Yes, the mountains of Ararat are in Turkey though. You're confusing me. Here, let me find you a few articles that talk about the "credibility" of these Noah's Ark findings:

Ark location - creation.com
Special report: Amazing 'Ark' exposé - creation.com
Special Report: Amazing “Ark” Exposé - Answers in Genesis
I didn't say that well. There are the Mountains of Ararat, and there is Mt. Ararat. Several times, there have been hoaxes and "sightings" on Mt. Ararat, but no ark. The "mountains of Ararat" where the ark is believed to be is more in line with what you shared here.

I misspoke (misstyped?) regarding the metal. I will recheck the resource, which I read a few days ago and seem to have lost. It had to do with the type of metal being forged, but I wasn't actively reading for that, so only retained a tiny bit of it. If I can find it, I'll share it. I'd love to see some information about it to debunk the debunkers. :D
 
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Archaeology has been called “the Bible’s best friend,” a statement that reflects the long history of discoveries supportive of the biblical record. From the discovery of the Cyrus Cylinder in 1879, to the Dead Sea Scrolls in 1947, to the Pool of Siloam in 2004, archaeology has provided an independent witness to the truth of God’s Word.

Of course, there are some archaeological discoveries that seem to contradict the Bible. What then? Is it archaeology or the Bible that is in error? We must remember that archaeologists are people, too, with their own limitations, biases, and proneness to error. Once an artifact is found, its existence must be interpreted, and it is the process of interpretation that is liable to mistakes. Many secular archaeologists used to say that David was a legendary figure, on par with King Arthur, rather than a historical king. That is, until they found the Tel Dan Stela, a basalt stone dating from the 9th century B.C. bearing David’s name and identifying him as king of Israel. Thus, up until the stela was found, archaeology did not overtly support the Bible’s references to David. But, eventually, it was proved that God’s Word was true all along. David was a real person who was king of Israel, and archaeological naysayers turned out to be wrong.

Many more archaeological discoveries have substantiated events and people in the Bible. Egypt’s invasion of Israel (1 Kings 14:25); the Assyrian siege of Lachish (2 Kings 18-19); the trade relations between Israel and Sheba (1 Kings 10); the Babylonian conquest of Jerusalem; and the reigns of Kings Omri, Ahab, Uzziah, Hezekiah, Ahaz, Jeroboam II, and Jehoiachin (1 and 2 Kings) have all been confirmed by archaeology. And the previously mentioned Dead Sea Scrolls, the discovery of which was one of the most significant of the 20th century, are decisive proof of the reliability of the Bible’s manuscripts.

Christians must understand that, scientifically, we cannot prove that the Bible is true, but that should not cause us to believe that it is not God’s absolute truth. Since God is the author of history, we are assured that His record of history is an accurate account of what happened. But we must also understand that not everything that happened was written in His record. Only those things were recorded that further God’s revelation of Himself.

In case study after case study, archaeology eventually catches up with the biblical account, and they come into agreement. As Christians, we must be patient and not let our faith in God’s Word be troubled by scientific theories. Archaeology has never proved the biblical account to be wrong, although, in some cases, it has been unable to prove the biblical account right. As archaeologists continue to dig, we will have more and more external evidence to substantiate the historicity and truthfulness of the Bible’s record.
 
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Tintin

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For example, the Egyptian records are interesting but it's very likely that in the past they were misinterpreted and have been ever since. It all relates to how long Egypt has been around. Until recently, it was believed that just one pharaoh ruled at a time. Now there's reason to believe two pharaohs ruled at a time (think one for the Upper Kingdom and one for the Lower Kingdom) for quite a period. Once you factor in how long the Upper and Lower Kingdoms have been around for, that removes 500+ years from the Egyptian timeline, bringing what is written in Egyptian records into line with what is recorded in the Bible.
 

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I just found another interesting article to add to this thread.

In “Archaeology Confirms 50 Real People in the Bible,” in the March/April 2014 issue of Biblical Archaeology Review, Purdue University scholar Lawrence Mykytiuk lists 50 figures from the Hebrew Bible that have been confirmed archaeologically. The 50-person chart in BAR includes Israelite kings and Mesopotamian monarchs as well as lesser-known figures.Mykytiuk writes that “at least 50 people mentioned in the Bible have been identified in the archaeological record. Their names appear in inscriptions written during the period described by the Bible and in most instances during or quite close to the lifetime of the person identified.” The extensive Biblical and archaeological documentation supporting the BAR study is published here in a web-exclusive collection of endnotes detailing the Biblical references and inscriptions referring to each of the 50 figures.
50 People in the Bible Confirmed Archaeologically &#8211; Biblical Archaeology Society

Once again science confirms the Bible!
 
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Who is this teacher you are learning from? Are the works available online?

It's hard for people to come out of their comfort zone. Their pew at church is warm and chummy, the faces are smiling, the rituals are being done, the same way they have always been done. It's hypnotic, in it's way. What might they have to give up if they acknowledge that they shouldn't be working on Sabbath, or that the rituals they hold dear might not be what they thought they were? What might they have to change about the way they live, or what ridicule will they face from friends and family? The concept of "coming out of Babylon" is a lovely one, but once you realize the real scope of what Babylon is, it becomes apparent what that may mean in one's life very quickly, doesn't it?

I would urge you, of course, to be careful, and hold all "learning" up against the Bible for verification.
Yes, and double yes about being sure everything is scripture based. So many people over the years have distorted scripture and we are asked by the Lord to not do that. I think "be careful" needs to be underlined. I searched the world over, even advertised, for someone to join me in this study so it wasn't only me checking with scripture to be sure what I was learning was from what God means for us to know, but a group of us was checking. I found no one who would study with me. Many condemned the teaching, but they never backed it up with scripture, only traditions. And never from a lesson study, only based on only sentence. Tom says he teaches from the "roots", meaning the OT roots of Christ. I am told all roots are wrong. Would anyone reading this like to look these lessons over and critique them? Please?

It is "torahclass" Tom Bradshaw writes the lessons. He lets you take them for free. Click on "oldtestament". He has given in depth lessons on 13 chapters of the Old Testament, again always tying it into the New Testament, and is now giving weekly lessons on Ester.
 
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Heh I was just surfing around on youtube lately on a archaeology kick (inspired actually by showing one of my friends earlier that mini-series of the tour of biblical archaeology at the British museum posted here earlier.)

Here's an interesting little video though that I found in the suggestions panel off those where some archaeologists discovered a tiny metal scroll/amulet bearing a prayer from the book of Numbers. Now the thing again, like I say is really the big argument is dating. They estimate the date to be 7th century BC I think, but all this is based off the pottery and the pottery based off other pottery lol. So while I feel doesn't tell you when this scroll verifying book of Numbers to be ancient (and copied faithfully) is exactly from 7th Century BC, what this can tell all of is that for one this scroll and therefore the Book of Numbers at least go back far enough that the book has not been falsified or altered. And for two, though they don't mention it in the clip, because it was found in an Israelite grave, this proves this had to have been at an era when the Israelites inhabited the lands of Judaea prior to conquest (title of clip asserts in time of Josiah, but I suppose it's fair to say it could have been during anytime of the Book of Kings.) For three, the fact they found it under a looted cave also indirectly proves the aftermath stuff that happened in the city through various points in history until Israel regained their land.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkvAagPT13A
[video=youtube;EkvAagPT13A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkvAagPT13A[/video]

Also for just some bonus awesomeness consider this; how cool is it that out of all the parts of the book of Numbers, what has been left for us today is a prayer!
 
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This bit of Leviticus is more than just a prayer, it's the Aaronic Blessing. The priests and only the priests of he temple were to pray this blessing over the people at certain events. You can hear it spoken in Hebrew: Birkat Kohanim - The Hebrew Priestly Blessing Recited

And learn a little more about it here: The Hebrew Priestly BlessingThe Hebrew Priestly Blessing

Heh I was just surfing around on youtube lately on a archaeology kick (inspired actually by showing one of my friends earlier that mini-series of the tour of biblical archaeology at the British museum posted here earlier.)

Here's an interesting little video though that I found in the suggestions panel off those where some archaeologists discovered a tiny metal scroll/amulet bearing a prayer from the book of Numbers. Now the thing again, like I say is really the big argument is dating. They estimate the date to be 7th century BC I think, but all this is based off the pottery and the pottery based off other pottery lol. So while I feel doesn't tell you when this scroll verifying book of Numbers to be ancient (and copied faithfully) is exactly from 7th Century BC, what this can tell all of is that for one this scroll and therefore the Book of Numbers at least go back far enough that the book has not been falsified or altered. And for two, though they don't mention it in the clip, because it was found in an Israelite grave, this proves this had to have been at an era when the Israelites inhabited the lands of Judaea prior to conquest (title of clip asserts in time of Josiah, but I suppose it's fair to say it could have been during anytime of the Book of Kings.) For three, the fact they found it under a looted cave also indirectly proves the aftermath stuff that happened in the city through various points in history until Israel regained their land.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkvAagPT13A
[video=youtube;EkvAagPT13A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkvAagPT13A[/video]

Also for just some bonus awesomeness consider this; how cool is it that out of all the parts of the book of Numbers, what has been left for us today is a prayer!