On that Jesus is the Father

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On that Jesus is the Father:

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A. Matthew 28:19, "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name (singular) of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." Question: The Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost have one name. What is it?

B. See Acts 2:38 for the answer. "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (v.39:) For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, as many as the Lord our God shall call."

C. Peter was not disobedient to Jesus' command (in Matthew 28:19) when he baptized them according to Acts 2:38. Therefore the name in Acts 2:38 is the name of Matthew 28:13.

"And the third time it shall do double damage." Ezekiel 21:14b, see also Hebrews 4:12.

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A. Ephesians 3:9, "And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things through Jesus Christ."

B. John 1:3, "All things were made by him (the Word); and without him was not anything made that was made."

C. Isaiah 44:24, "Thus saith the LORD, thy Redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself." The latter 'by myself' is defined by the former 'alone'. Therefore it was one Person alone who created everything, not three.

"And the third time it shall do double damage" Ezekiel 21:14b, see also Hebrews 4:12.

III.
A. "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." Isaiah 9:6. Should we butcher this verse so that "everlasting Father" merely means "eternal" in the end? God forbid.

B. "Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? Ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? Yea, there is no God; I know not any." Isaiah 44:8. The Father knows no God beside Him. Jesus is not a God beside the Father. He IS the Father.

C. "And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life." 1 John 5:20.

"And the third time it shall do double damage." Ezekiel 21:14b, see also Hebrews 4:12.

IV.

A. "There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." Ephesians 4:4-6.

B. "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him." 1 Corinthians 8:6.

C. "At that time Jesus answered and said, "I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes."

"And the third time it shall do double damage." Ezekiel 21:14b, see also Hebrews 4:12.

"He that heareth, let him hear; and he that forbeareth, let him forbear:..." Ezekiel 3:27b
 
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The modalistic Trinity explained.

God the Father is the risen Jesus who bore His Son, His Son as being the infinite Father except as it relates to time. This experience of the Father is throughout the infinite Universe but is finite because He exists throughout time (which is finite) as being in the same moment in his perspective concerning every moment of history. As soon as this begotten Father, who is the Son, finishes with His work of ruling over time as one who had never understood humanity, He becomes flesh and dwelt among us, died and rose again. When he rose again he rose to fill all things, and began to exist outside of time and in time as the Holy Ghost, who was the Father who bore His former self. Jesus the Son remained in a human body from 0 A.D. to the end of time and beyond, a Man sitting on the throne of God, finite in His humanity. His Spirit being Lord over two realities: the reality in which we exist and the reality that is the new heavens and the new earth. In this way God the Father redeemed Himself from the suffering of looking at a sinful world. In the person of the Son (the human Jesus) He will have no experiential knowledge of the sinful world that He will leave behind once the Lord God Omnipotent (the Holy Ghost, who is the evolved Father) makes all things new. Thus every member of the Trinity is the same person as the others while each has a different personality and a different experience, since the human Jesus and the Holy Ghost understand mankind, while the Holy Ghost is a personal Spirit and Jesus the Son is a human being. Make sense? One God, three distinct personalities with three distinct experiences. Two who are the Father in the beginning, the preexistent Jesus and the risen Spirit(Jesus). Thus 1 Corinthians 8:6a, which says, "But to us there is but one God, the Father..." is reconciled with John 1:1 as we render John 1:1 through algebraic substitution: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the Father, and the Word was the Father." See 1 Corinthians 2:13 for the mandate of this hermeneutical style.

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"And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life." (1 John 5:20)
 
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John 1:1 (ten characters)
 
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The modalistic Trinity explained.

God the Father is the risen Jesus who bore His Son, His Son as being the infinite Father except as it relates to time. This experience of the Father is throughout the infinite Universe but is finite because He exists throughout time (which is finite) as being in the same moment in his perspective concerning every moment of history.As soon as this begotten Father, who is the Son, finishes with His work of ruling over time as one who had never understood humanity, He becomes flesh and dwelt among us, died and rose again. When he rose again he rose to fill all things, and began to exist outside of time and in time as the Holy Ghost, who was the Father who bore His former self. Jesus the Son remained in a human body from 0 A.D. to the end of time and beyond, a Man sitting on the throne of God, finite in His humanity. His Spirit being Lord over two realities: the reality in which we exist and the reality that is the new heavens and the new earth. In this way God the Father redeemed Himself from the suffering of looking at a sinful world. In the person of the Son (the human Jesus) He will have no experiential knowledge of the sinful world that He will leave behind once the Lord God Omnipotent (the Holy Ghost, who is the evolved Father) makes all things new. Thus every member of the Trinity is the same person as the others while each has a different personality and a different experience, since the human Jesus and the Holy Ghost understand mankind, while the Holy Ghost is a personal Spirit and Jesus the Son is a human being. Make sense? One God, three distinct personalities with three distinct experiences. Two who are the Father in the beginning, the preexistent Jesus and the risen Spirit(Jesus). Thus 1 Corinthians 8:6a, which says, "But to us there is but one God, the Father..." is reconciled with John 1:1 as we render John 1:1 through algebraic substitution: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the Father, and the Word was the Father." See 1 Corinthians 2:13 for the mandate of this hermeneutical style.

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"And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life." (1 John 5:20)
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What you've explained isn't the nature of the Triune God. There is one God co-existing as three distinct Persons.
 
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if tongue would put in a plain font I might read it. I really don't know what his issue is.
 
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My "issue" Kerry is that I cut and pasted it from my facebook page. Maybe you should get some glasses.
 
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starfield said:
What you've explained isn't the nature of the Triune God. There is one God co-existing as three distinct Persons.
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What I have explained does explain Him as existing in three Persons, based on the theory that God is outside of time, descended into time, and then rose again to be outside of time. How many "Gods" outside of time then? The answer is that it is the same Person and yet it is also two different Persons overlapping each other. The second Person of the Trinity being finite in His humanity and existing as the Holy Ghost in His Deity, who is the third Person but also the first.
 
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Well im not going to your facebook page. I am here and now. Ive got glasses and so far I don't like what I see. Your persona is not that of what I would see in a christian. Love.
 
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Just because you can't seem to comprehend it doesn't make it false. See Isaiah 55:9.
 
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Kerry, in what way am I not exhibiting love? Please tell me so I can confess my sin and the Lord can correct it.
 
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I wasn't asking you to go to my facebook page. I was just saying that that was the reason why it wasn't as legible.
 
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What I have explained does explain Him as existing in three Persons, based on the theory that God is outside of time, descended into time, and then rose again to be outside of time. How many "Gods" outside of time then? The answer is that it is the same Person and yet it is also two different Persons overlapping each other. The second Person of the Trinity being finite in His humanity and existing as the Holy Ghost in His Deity, who is the third Person but also the first.
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Modalism is false doctrine.
 
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Modalism is false doctrine.
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Even if it is, the explanation that I have given doesn't exactly conform to what most modalists believe. It really is the proper view of the Trinity. But because I called it modalism, you jumped.

Why are "Trinitarians" so opposed to having unity with those who believe Oneness doctrine? We emphasize one God for a reason but we really do believe in the Trinity. We just want to give you the "understanding" spoken of in 1 John 5:20.
 
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It's not really about me, but about getting an aspect of the gospel that is often overlooked into the hearts of people.
 
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