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I'm not sure what domination y'all are, but as a Southern Baptist, we do not have women preachers. I was wondering what you believe on that and why you believe it, or don't believe it. It's been a conversation at work for a week or so. Help? I personally don't know.
 
I will tell you now that this has been debated over and over and over again on here. :) You will definitely get a lot of responses and some seriously heated debates. You will even see some on here tell women on here to 'get back in the kitchen'.

I believe women can lead and teach and preach. If men are present and are willing to receive what Holy Spirit is sharing through a woman, then that's fine. If not, that's fine too. It's a heart issue.

Deborah, a Judge in the OT, led God's army into battle and God gave her the victory. This wasn't an army of women, but an army of men and she led because a man wouldn't. Then you have Esther who saved the Jewish people from annihilation. There are some NT examples of God using women to speak, teach, edify and build the church of Christ.
 
Hey, why not check out some of the past threads on this very subject. More is said combined in all of them then can be said by starting another thread about it. If your looking for a active conversation, i recommend a conversation about it in the chat rooms.

Just search in the forums for : " women preachers " women teachers " women " not a women " for women " etc.

Or just look at the bottom of this page for a some direct links .
 
I will tell you now that this has been debated over and over and over again on here. :) You will definitely get a lot of responses and some seriously heated debates. You will even see some on here tell women on here to 'get back in the kitchen'.

I believe women can lead and teach and preach. If men are present and are willing to receive what Holy Spirit is sharing through a woman, then that's fine. If not, that's fine too. It's a heart issue.

Deborah, a Judge in the OT, led God's army into battle and God gave her the victory. This wasn't an army of women, but an army of men and she led because a man wouldn't. Then you have Esther who saved the Jewish people from annihilation. There are some NT examples of God using women to speak, teach, edify and build the church of Christ.

MYST do you have dinner done yet as it is almost 5 hahahhaha KIDDING AND JOKING FOR SURE HAH!
 
My bad, I just started today and I'm still learning how to figure this out
 
Just for your info, I was a Southern Baptist, and attended a Southern Baptist Seminary. I am a chaplain, a job which often involves preaching. No one else seems to want to do the job I do, and I am grateful to be able to teach the Bible, preach the Word, and bring the love of God to those in long term care.

I have many men under my care and I have never had a complaint. Not even from the Catholics or the Southern Baptists. I have posted enough about the Greek and why it is Biblical for a woman to preach. I hope you find it in some of those other threads, because I have been there, done that too many times to count!
 
I will tell you now that this has been debated over and over and over again on here. :) You will definitely get a lot of responses and some seriously heated debates. You will even see some on here tell women on here to 'get back in the kitchen'.

I believe women can lead and teach and preach. If men are present and are willing to receive what Holy Spirit is sharing through a woman, then that's fine. If not, that's fine too. It's a heart issue.

Deborah, a Judge in the OT, led God's army into battle and God gave her the victory. This wasn't an army of women, but an army of men and she led because a man wouldn't. Then you have Esther who saved the Jewish people from annihilation. There are some NT examples of God using women to speak, teach, edify and build the church of Christ.
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Question: "Women pastors / preachers? Can a woman be a pastor or preacher?"

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There is perhaps no more hotly debated issue in the church today than the issue of women serving as pastors/preachers. As a result, it is very important to not see this issue as men versus women. There are women who believe women should not serve as pastors and that the Bible places restrictions on the ministry of women, and there are men who believe women can serve as preachers and that there are no restrictions on women in ministry. This is not an issue of chauvinism or discrimination. It is an issue of biblical interpretation.

The Word of God proclaims, “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent” (1 Timothy 2:11-12). In the church, God assigns different roles to men and women. This is a result of the way mankind was created and the way in which sin entered the world (1 Timothy 2:13-14). God, through the apostle Paul, restricts women from serving in roles of teaching and/or having spiritual authority over men. This precludes women from serving as pastors over men, which definitely includes preaching to, teaching, and having spiritual authority.

There are many “objections” to this view of women in ministry. A common one is that Paul restricts women from teaching because in the first century, women were typically uneducated. However, 1 Timothy 2:11-14 nowhere mentions educational status. If education were a qualification for ministry, the majority of Jesus' disciples would not have been qualified. A second common objection is that Paul only restricted the women of Ephesus from teaching (1 Timothy was written to Timothy, who was the pastor of the church in Ephesus). The city of Ephesus was known for its temple to Artemis, a false Greek/Roman goddess. Women were the authority in the worship of Artemis. However, the book of 1 Timothy nowhere mentions Artemis, nor does Paul mention Artemis worship as a reason for the restrictions in 1 Timothy 2:11-12.

A third common objection is that Paul is only referring to husbands and wives, not men and women in general. The Greek words in the passage could refer to husbands and wives; however, the basic meaning of the words refers to men and women. Further, the same Greek words are used in verses 8-10. Are only husbands to lift up holy hands in prayer without anger and disputing (verse 8)? Are only wives to dress modestly, have good deeds, and worship God (verses 9-10)? Of course not. Verses 8-10 clearly refer to all men and women, not only husbands and wives. There is nothing in the context that would indicate a switch to husbands and wives in verses 11-14.

Yet another frequent objection to this interpretation of women in ministry is in relation to women who held positions of leadership in the Bible, specifically Miriam, Deborah, and Huldah in the Old Testament. This objection fails to note some significant factors. First, Deborah was the only female judge among 13 male judges. Huldah was the only female prophet among dozens of male prophets mentioned in the Bible. Miriam's only connection to leadership was being the sister of Moses and Aaron. The two most prominent women in the times of the Kings were Athaliah and Jezebel—hardly examples of godly female leadership. Most significantly, though, the authority of women in the Old Testament is not relevant to the issue. The book of 1 Timothy and the other Pastoral Epistles present a new paradigm for the church—the body of Christ—and that paradigm involves the authority structure for the church, not for the nation of Israel or any other Old Testament entity.

Similar arguments are made using Priscilla and Phoebe in the New Testament. In Acts 18, Priscilla and Aquila are presented as faithful ministers for Christ. Priscilla's name is mentioned first, perhaps indicating that she was more “prominent” in ministry than her husband. However, Priscilla is nowhere described as participating in a ministry activity that is in contradiction to 1 Timothy 2:11-14. Priscilla and Aquila brought Apollos into their home and they both discipled him, explaining the Word of God to him more accurately (Acts 18:26).

In Romans 16:1, even if Phoebe is considered a “deaconess” instead of a “servant,” that does not indicate that Phoebe was a teacher in the church. “Able to teach” is given as a qualification for elders, but not deacons (1 Timothy 3:1-13; Titus 1:6-9). Elders/bishops/deacons are described as the “husband of one wife,” “a man whose children believe,” and “men worthy of respect.” Clearly the indication is that these qualifications refer to men. In addition, in 1 Timothy 3:1-13 and Titus 1:6-9, masculine pronouns are used exclusively to refer to elders/bishops/deacons.

The structure of 1 Timothy 2:11-14 makes the “reason” perfectly clear. Verse 13 begins with “for” and gives the “cause” of Paul’s statement in verses 11-12. Why should women not teach or have authority over men? Because “Adam was created first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived.” God created Adam first and then created Eve to be a “helper” for Adam. This order of creation has universal application in the family (Ephesians 5:22-33) and the church. The fact that Eve was deceived is also given as a reason for women not serving as pastors or having spiritual authority over men. This leads some to believe that women should not teach because they are more easily deceived. That concept is debatable, but if women are more easily deceived, why should they be allowed to teach children (who are easily deceived) and other women (who are supposedly more easily deceived)? That is not what the text says. Women are not to teach men or have spiritual authority over men because Eve was deceived. As a result, God has given men the primary teaching authority in the church.

Many women excel in gifts of hospitality, mercy, teaching, evangelism, and helps. Much of the ministry of the local church depends on women. Women in the church are not restricted from public praying or prophesying (1 Corinthians 11:5), only from having spiritual teaching authority over men. The Bible nowhere restricts women from exercising the gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 12). Women, just as much as men, are called to minister to others, to demonstrate the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23), and to proclaim the gospel to the lost (Matthew 28:18-20; Acts 1:8; 1 Peter 3:15).

God has ordained that only men are to serve in positions of spiritual teaching authority in the church. This is not because men are necessarily better teachers, or because women are inferior or less intelligent (which is not the case). It is simply the way God designed the church to function. Men are to set the example in spiritual leadership—in their lives and through their words. Women are to take a less authoritative role. Women are encouraged to teach other women (Titus 2:3-5). The Bible also does not restrict women from teaching children. The only activity women are restricted from is teaching or having spiritual authority over men. This logically would preclude women from serving as pastors to men. This does not make women less important, by any means, but rather gives them a ministry focus more in agreement with God’s plan and His gifting of them.

Recommended Resources: Two Views on Women in Ministry, Revised by James R. Beck, ed. and Logos Bible Software.

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Question: "Women pastors / preachers? Can a woman be a pastor or preacher?"

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There is perhaps no more hotly debated issue in the church today than the issue of women serving as pastors/preachers. As a result, it is very important to not see this issue as men versus women. There are women who believe women should not serve as pastors and that the Bible places restrictions on the ministry of women, and there are men who believe women can serve as preachers and that there are no restrictions on women in ministry. This is not an issue of chauvinism or discrimination. It is an issue of biblical interpretation.

The Word of God proclaims, “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent” (1 Timothy 2:11-12). In the church, God assigns different roles to men and women. This is a result of the way mankind was created and the way in which sin entered the world (1 Timothy 2:13-14). God, through the apostle Paul, restricts women from serving in roles of teaching and/or having spiritual authority over men. This precludes women from serving as pastors over men, which definitely includes preaching to, teaching, and having spiritual authority.

There are many “objections” to this view of women in ministry. A common one is that Paul restricts women from teaching because in the first century, women were typically uneducated. However, 1 Timothy 2:11-14 nowhere mentions educational status. If education were a qualification for ministry, the majority of Jesus' disciples would not have been qualified. A second common objection is that Paul only restricted the women of Ephesus from teaching (1 Timothy was written to Timothy, who was the pastor of the church in Ephesus). The city of Ephesus was known for its temple to Artemis, a false Greek/Roman goddess. Women were the authority in the worship of Artemis. However, the book of 1 Timothy nowhere mentions Artemis, nor does Paul mention Artemis worship as a reason for the restrictions in 1 Timothy 2:11-12.

A third common objection is that Paul is only referring to husbands and wives, not men and women in general. The Greek words in the passage could refer to husbands and wives; however, the basic meaning of the words refers to men and women. Further, the same Greek words are used in verses 8-10. Are only husbands to lift up holy hands in prayer without anger and disputing (verse 8)? Are only wives to dress modestly, have good deeds, and worship God (verses 9-10)? Of course not. Verses 8-10 clearly refer to all men and women, not only husbands and wives. There is nothing in the context that would indicate a switch to husbands and wives in verses 11-14.

Yet another frequent objection to this interpretation of women in ministry is in relation to women who held positions of leadership in the Bible, specifically Miriam, Deborah, and Huldah in the Old Testament. This objection fails to note some significant factors. First, Deborah was the only female judge among 13 male judges. Huldah was the only female prophet among dozens of male prophets mentioned in the Bible. Miriam's only connection to leadership was being the sister of Moses and Aaron. The two most prominent women in the times of the Kings were Athaliah and Jezebel—hardly examples of godly female leadership. Most significantly, though, the authority of women in the Old Testament is not relevant to the issue. The book of 1 Timothy and the other Pastoral Epistles present a new paradigm for the church—the body of Christ—and that paradigm involves the authority structure for the church, not for the nation of Israel or any other Old Testament entity.

Similar arguments are made using Priscilla and Phoebe in the New Testament. In Acts 18, Priscilla and Aquila are presented as faithful ministers for Christ. Priscilla's name is mentioned first, perhaps indicating that she was more “prominent” in ministry than her husband. However, Priscilla is nowhere described as participating in a ministry activity that is in contradiction to 1 Timothy 2:11-14. Priscilla and Aquila brought Apollos into their home and they both discipled him, explaining the Word of God to him more accurately (Acts 18:26).

In Romans 16:1, even if Phoebe is considered a “deaconess” instead of a “servant,” that does not indicate that Phoebe was a teacher in the church. “Able to teach” is given as a qualification for elders, but not deacons (1 Timothy 3:1-13; Titus 1:6-9). Elders/bishops/deacons are described as the “husband of one wife,” “a man whose children believe,” and “men worthy of respect.” Clearly the indication is that these qualifications refer to men. In addition, in 1 Timothy 3:1-13 and Titus 1:6-9, masculine pronouns are used exclusively to refer to elders/bishops/deacons.

The structure of 1 Timothy 2:11-14 makes the “reason” perfectly clear. Verse 13 begins with “for” and gives the “cause” of Paul’s statement in verses 11-12. Why should women not teach or have authority over men? Because “Adam was created first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived.” God created Adam first and then created Eve to be a “helper” for Adam. This order of creation has universal application in the family (Ephesians 5:22-33) and the church. The fact that Eve was deceived is also given as a reason for women not serving as pastors or having spiritual authority over men. This leads some to believe that women should not teach because they are more easily deceived. That concept is debatable, but if women are more easily deceived, why should they be allowed to teach children (who are easily deceived) and other women (who are supposedly more easily deceived)? That is not what the text says. Women are not to teach men or have spiritual authority over men because Eve was deceived. As a result, God has given men the primary teaching authority in the church.

Many women excel in gifts of hospitality, mercy, teaching, evangelism, and helps. Much of the ministry of the local church depends on women. Women in the church are not restricted from public praying or prophesying (1 Corinthians 11:5), only from having spiritual teaching authority over men. The Bible nowhere restricts women from exercising the gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 12). Women, just as much as men, are called to minister to others, to demonstrate the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23), and to proclaim the gospel to the lost (Matthew 28:18-20; Acts 1:8; 1 Peter 3:15).

God has ordained that only men are to serve in positions of spiritual teaching authority in the church. This is not because men are necessarily better teachers, or because women are inferior or less intelligent (which is not the case). It is simply the way God designed the church to function. Men are to set the example in spiritual leadership—in their lives and through their words. Women are to take a less authoritative role. Women are encouraged to teach other women (Titus 2:3-5). The Bible also does not restrict women from teaching children. The only activity women are restricted from is teaching or having spiritual authority over men. This logically would preclude women from serving as pastors to men. This does not make women less important, by any means, but rather gives them a ministry focus more in agreement with God’s plan and His gifting of them.

Recommended Resources: Two Views on Women in Ministry, Revised by James R. Beck, ed. and Logos Bible Software.

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i cant read all of that can you shorten it?
 
Heartsearcher, please take your time reading it. It is from a research website and not my work. Contains valuable info worth reading. Sometimes, I will read a long post over a course of 2 days. I apologize for the length.
 
I'm not sure what domination y'all are, but as a Southern Baptist, we do not have women preachers. I was wondering what you believe on that and why you believe it, or don't believe it. It's been a conversation at work for a week or so. Help? I personally don't know.


Women are not called to preach. The office of a pastor or a bishop is only to be filled by a man who qualifies for that office.


1 Corinthians 14:32-37 KJV
And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. [33] For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. [34] Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. [35] And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. [36] What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? [37] If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.


1 Timothy 2:9-15 KJV
In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; [10] But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. [11] Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. [12] But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. [13] For Adam was first formed, then Eve. [14] And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. [15] Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.


1 Timothy 3:1-13 KJV
This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. [2] A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; [3] Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; [4] One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; [5] (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) [6] Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. [7] Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil. [8] Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre; [9] Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience. [10] And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless. [11] Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things. [12] Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well. [13] For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.
 
Just for your info, I was a Southern Baptist, and attended a Southern Baptist Seminary. I am a chaplain, a job which often involves preaching. No one else seems to want to do the job I do, and I am grateful to be able to teach the Bible, preach the Word, and bring the love of God to those in long term care.

I have many men under my care and I have never had a complaint. Not even from the Catholics or the Southern Baptists. I have posted enough about the Greek and why it is Biblical for a woman to preach. I hope you find it in some of those other threads, because I have been there, done that too many times to count!
This is one area where your SBC education has led you to err. The SBC is not know to have a high degree of biblical fidelity. This is not a new thing as they have been on this path for decades. Eph 4:11 It is God Who gifts pastor/teachers to the church. God does not raise up women nor is God unable to raise up men for the task. When women usurp the role charged to men it is symbolic of apostasy and impending judgment on the house of God. Our church's, speaking in sweeping generalities, for the most part are so pathetic, far from God and cold they can hardly draw flies let alone people seeking Spiritual help. This is due to the absence of biblical truth in the pulpits. Many embrace not only women but sodomites which cannot be reconciled with the bible no matter how carefully crafted the linguistic argument is made.

But I digress, you are a kind soul and I appreciate that but here I find your position to be outside of biblical teaching.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
you know this entire doctrine of woman preaching is a mess, if a woman teaches a nd preaches the word of god is god going to strike her down? at least the gospel is being spread
 
you know this entire doctrine of woman preaching is a mess, if a woman teaches a nd preaches the word of god is god going to strike her down? at least the gospel is being spread
Why do we expect God to settle for less than the best? Isn't it really us that suffer and not Him?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
Why do we expect God to settle for less than the best? Isn't it really us that suffer and not Him?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
im not sure what you mean, i know that as long as the gospel is being preached i dont think god cares if a man or woman does it but i am a little slow so could you explain what your saying in this post?
 
Why do we expect God to settle for less than the best? Isn't it really us that suffer and not Him?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

So when God used Deborah to lead His army to victory because the man who should have led them didn't, He was settling for less than best? When God used Esther to save the Jewish people, God was settling for less than best? When God used the Samaritan woman at the well to spread the news of Christ and in so doing her whole village welcomed Him and heard from Him and many believed, God was settling for less than His best? Wow. You have a warped view on God. Or, I guess, you actually have a low view of women.