Just wanted to start off by saying GodBless, and seeing a 70 year old on this is very amazing (Not trying to offend) but I wish my elders were so skilled to pick up the internet like this
, But First off I'd like to say, if we go by what your saying, then the Gentiles are also allowed to steal,kill,commit adultery and bear false witness against they neighbor, all Ten commandments where given to the Israelites not just the Sabbath, So to say just because it just showed up with Moses (Which it didn't) Genesis 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
But as I was saying, even if something from God wasn't given right away, does that mean it we shouldn't keep it?
If God gave the commandment "Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery" in the book of Acts, it still applies, doesn't matter when or where, it's God's word, Samuel 15:
22And Samuel said, Hath the LORD
as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold,
to obey is better than sacrifice,
and to hearken than the fat of rams.
23For rebellion
is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness
is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from
being king.
And as for Noah and Abraham keeping God's commandments, Noah was a righteous man, and to be righteous you must follow God's law Romans 7:
7What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. 8But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin
was dead.
9For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10And the commandment, which
was ordained to life, I found
to be unto death.
11For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew
me.
12Wherefore the law
is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
So Paul pretty much just said without the law we'd have no choice but to sin, their is no other option, Romans 6&7 are beautiful chapters, and some how people use them to make the law and the Sabbath void, yet these chapters out of all confirm the Sabbath, the whole chapters are about how the law itself is a schoolmaster, and it is death unto us, we can't keep the law, completely right, But we can keep Jesus John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments. we may not be able to keep the law, but we can love Jesus, love fulfills the law, if we love him will do what he says, Not because of the curse of the law, which is death, The law says "Thou Shalt Not' and if you break that the Punishment is death, but we can't help but sin and break the law, but once you accept Jesus into your life, and love him, you wont want to sin, because of how it hurts him, and how it hurts you, because he died for you, and you didn't deserve it, and neither did he, So now were no longer under the law, because we asked God to forgive us of sin, The law only exist for sinners, but once you're saved in Jesus the law can't harm you, your free. The law isn't evil, it's just a expression of God's character, Sin cannot reign.
1 Timothy 1:
8But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
9Knowing this,
that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
11According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.
as stated earlier that doesn't make the law unneeded, infact its more needed then ever, were suppose to go unto all the world and tell people about Jesus, and if not were responsible Ezekiel 3:10
When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
So if the law only exist for the Israelites then the whole human race is doomed, because we don't know that were sinning.
But finally back to your original question (
I couldn't make my point without explaining that) Did Abraham and Noah keep the law? without the law you can only do sin, because you know no better. and we know Noah was righteous before God Genesis 6:
8But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.9These
are the generations of Noah: Noah was a
just man and perfect in his generations,
and Noah walked with God.
10And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
11The earth also was corrupt before God,
and the earth was filled with violence. 12And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
Noah was perfect, and just, he must have the law because without the law, we are evil, we can't serve God unless the law exist, because we don't even know what God wants. Not my words but Paul's "
, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet."
So a law was in place we understand that now? if not, well we still have Abraham,Cain And Abel and many others.
Genesis 26:5:
Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
So Abraham kept God's commandments.
Genesis 4:
6And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
7If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well,
sin lieth at the door. And unto thee
shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him
How can murder be sin without the law? If Moses hasn't given the Ten Commandments yet how is it that killing each other is considered wrong? It was called a sin by God, but without the law sin cannot exist, because sin is the transgression of God's law. 1 john 3:
4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
So the law must have existed before Sin, otherwise the devil couldn't have sinned, Because to sin their must be a law.
How about another example.
Genesis 39:9
There is none greater in this house than I; neither hath he kept back any thing from me but thee, because thou
art his wife:
how then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God?
How did Joesph know adultery was bad, when the Moses wasn't even born yet? well, maybe because God came before Moses.
John 8:58
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
So far the law existed way before Moses, because the law came down from God, not Moses.
Exodus 31:18
And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
So if the law came from God, then so did the Sabbath. God gave the law way before Moses, and if the Sabbath is apart of the law, which is suppose to be perfect. Psalm 19:
6His going forth
is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.
7The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
8The statutes of the LORD
are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD
is pure, enlightening the eyes.
9The fear of the LORD
is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD
are true
and righteous altogether.
10More to be desired
are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
Then God ordained the Sabbath from the beginning, Jesus is even the lord of the Sabbath. Mark 2:
27And he said unto them,
The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
So were at the final half of this.
Let's explain Jesus being the lord of the Sabbath, and this verse Exodus 31:
12And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
13Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it
is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that
ye may know that I
am the LORD that doth sanctify you.
14Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it
is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth
any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
15Six days may work be done; but in the seventh
is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth
any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
16Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations,
for a perpetual covenant.
17It
is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for
in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
For people that say the Sabbath is only for the Israelites and that the Jews and Gentiles are different, Galatians 3 basically mades that to none effect. Galatians 3:
6Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
7Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
And
26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Once you come to Christ, accept his love, his mercy his longsuffering, and forsake your known sins at the time, you are the same as Israel to God, we all inherit his promises and his commands, we are all Children of Abraham and Children Of Israel, and most of all Children Of God, we read the bible from Genesis up, all of the bible is valid to us,
2 timothy 3:
10But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
11Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of
them all the Lord delivered me.
12Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned
them;
15And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
The entire Bible was made for us, as in Jesus Died for us, you know the scripture
John 3:
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
So he gave the world his son.
So we have Jesus now, we live by grace, that God took away our sins, not saying the law isn't important, But the law isn't needed for people who serve God will a whole heart, but for the unrighteous who know not God, or choose not to.
We have Hope in Christ, and he wants us to serve him, when he tells us "Worship on this day" we do it not because he told us to, but because we love him, and we do it because he told us to, and we want to serve him, because once again, we love him.
Romans 13: 8Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 9For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law
You wont hurt someone you love, We should always ask God for love, if we ask anything he'll give it. Matthew 18:19Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. 20For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
So people who say "You can't keep the law" Jesus just said if we ask anything he'll give it to us, so he'll give us the abilliy to keep his law, through his grace.
Sorry for such a long reply, but it's a lot of information, But If I was wrong, please tell me, and let's come together and reason. Isaiah 1:18Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
19If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:
Also listen to that video I posted earlier, such a peaceful thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeJuc40VxDw
GodBless You and Keep You.
