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PennEd

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Is obama's treatment of Israel the final straw that triggers God's judgement on America?

[video=youtube;0wbH5KVPrPo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wbH5KVPrPo[/video]
 

posthuman

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because under the Obama administration Israel receives more aid & military hardware than it ever has in history? to me, billions of dollars in financial aid sounds like "blessings" rather than "curses"

or because Obama is pushing the exact same parameters for an Israeli/Palestinian peace agreement that both Bill Clinton and George W. Bush were for?

every US president since 1967 has urged Israel not to build settlements in the part of the land that they regained in the 6-day war. not until Reagan did a US president deny that Israel's activities in Palestinian-occupied territories were "illegal" according to international law. while since 1981, every US president has stopped before calling Israel's settlement-building "against international law" no US president has spoken in favor of it.

every international attempt at a brokering an Israel/Palestine peace agreement has included stopping settlements from being built. Bush's plan was to destroy the existing ones.

what makes Obama different is the amount of time and money his political opponents put into propagandizing the population of America - a lot of which is particularly aimed at conservative Christians, whom the GOP treats as a 'guaranteed voting bloc.'

take what you hear with a grain of salt & look up the actual facts.
 

posthuman

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( oughtn't this to be in the "news" section? )
 

PennEd

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because under the Obama administration Israel receives more aid & military hardware than it ever has in history? to me, billions of dollars in financial aid sounds like "blessings" rather than "curses"

or because Obama is pushing the exact same parameters for an Israeli/Palestinian peace agreement that both Bill Clinton and George W. Bush were for?

every US president since 1967 has urged Israel not to build settlements in the part of the land that they regained in the 6-day war. not until Reagan did a US president deny that Israel's activities in Palestinian-occupied territories were "illegal" according to international law. while since 1981, every US president has stopped before calling Israel's settlement-building "against international law" no US president has spoken in favor of it.

every international attempt at a brokering an Israel/Palestine peace agreement has included stopping settlements from being built. Bush's plan was to destroy the existing ones.

what makes Obama different is the amount of time and money his political opponents put into propagandizing the population of America - a lot of which is particularly aimed at conservative Christians, whom the GOP treats as a 'guaranteed voting bloc.'

take what you hear with a grain of salt & look up the actual facts.

I could repost the video if you like, maybe this time you'd actually watch it, then make an informed comment.
 

PennEd

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because under the Obama administration Israel receives more aid & military hardware than it ever has in history? to me, billions of dollars in financial aid sounds like "blessings" rather than "curses"

or because Obama is pushing the exact same parameters for an Israeli/Palestinian peace agreement that both Bill Clinton and George W. Bush were for?

every US president since 1967 has urged Israel not to build settlements in the part of the land that they regained in the 6-day war. not until Reagan did a US president deny that Israel's activities in Palestinian-occupied territories were "illegal" according to international law. while since 1981, every US president has stopped before calling Israel's settlement-building "against international law" no US president has spoken in favor of it.

every international attempt at a brokering an Israel/Palestine peace agreement has included stopping settlements from being built. Bush's plan was to destroy the existing ones.

what makes Obama different is the amount of time and money his political opponents put into propagandizing the population of America - a lot of which is particularly aimed at conservative Christians, whom the GOP treats as a 'guaranteed voting bloc.'

take what you hear with a grain of salt & look up the actual facts.

Tell me how many Presidents said that the Palestinians don't have to recognize Israel?

WHOA! Obama Administration Says NO NEED FOR PALESTINIANS TO RECOGNIZE ISRAEL | The Gateway Pundit
 

posthuman

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how many US presidents recognize Palestine?

(none)

now how many of them thought it OK to try to broker a peace agreement with Palestine & Israel, even though the US doesn't recognize Palestine?
 

PennEd

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how many US presidents recognize Palestine?

ALL of them since JORDAN is supposed to be THEIR country. There has NEVER been a country of Palestine in all of history.
 

posthuman

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^ that's not what any Palestinian would say.

Palestinians won't recognize the state of Israel. Israel won't recognize the state of Palestine. actually, most of the non-arab world won't recognize a state of Palestine. this is no kind of new development.
so the State Dept. rep saying that forcing Palestine to recognize Israel isn't a non-negotiable part of having peace talks isn't such a deal.

because i don't want to have a big political debate in the Bible forum, maybe i should just cut this short and plainly say:

i completely disagree that Obama is the most anti-Israel president in US history.

let me know when a US president backs out on our mutual protection agreements with Israel, OK?
 

PennEd

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^ that's not what any Palestinian would say.

Palestinians won't recognize the state of Israel. Israel won't recognize the state of Palestine. actually, most of the non-arab world won't recognize a state of Palestine. this is no kind of new development.
so the State Dept. rep saying that forcing Palestine to recognize Israel isn't a non-negotiable part of having peace talks isn't such a deal.

because i don't want to have a big political debate in the Bible forum, maybe i should just cut this short and plainly say:

i completely disagree that Obama is the most anti-Israel president in US history.

let me know when a US president backs out on our mutual protection agreements with Israel, OK?

I posted you CHOSE to reply without even viewing the evidence. If obama isn't the most anti-israel president, then who would be?
 
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ALL of them since JORDAN is supposed to be THEIR country. There has NEVER been a country of Palestine in all of history.
but jordan didn't "exist" until it was created in 1946 after World War I.
by Britain and France. prior to that it was all palestine, wasn't it?
the balfour declaration said it was.
 
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I posted you CHOSE to reply without even viewing the evidence. If obama isn't the most anti-israel president, then who would be?
pastor hagee said obama is bringing God's judgment on the west for his anti-israel policies.
 
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"Is Israel an Evil Occupier?" Lecture by Dr. Michael Brown - Part Two - YouTube


I have not viewed the video in the OP, am planning to shortly. Without having seen it however, I would venture to say Obama is as anti-Semitic as any I am aware of. God knows where His people are. Woe to anyone who curses them, or pushes to divide their land.

The video I've posted are facts. Part One pertains to the Speaker's credentials for anyone interested to know. I challenge anyone to refute it.

There is a demonizing going on against Israel and Jews, that is building to an ultimate destruction of the world. Professing Christians who want Jews to have all the curses and Christians to get all the blessings need to do a spiritual check-up. That, and go home and read their Bible.
 
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Karraster

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Is obama's treatment of Israel the final straw that triggers God's judgement on America?

[video=youtube;0wbH5KVPrPo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wbH5KVPrPo[/video]
I think judgement has already begun. obama is doing everything he can to hasten it.
 

PennEd

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but jordan didn't "exist" until it was created in 1946 after World War I.
by Britain and France. prior to that it was all palestine, wasn't it?
the balfour declaration said it was.

The entire region was referred to as palestine, similar to calling the latin American region, Central America for example. I repeat there has never been a country of palestine. After the region was carved up the state of Jordan is where the muslim palestinians (the jews, and Christians of that REGION were called palestinians) were to inhabit. The newly formed Jordanians refused to let them enter.
PALESTINIANS LAUNCH 130 MISSILES at Israel Days After Obama Administration Says PA Doesn’t Have to Recognize Israel | The Gateway Pundit