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toastwithbutter

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Kids have access to the internet, probably a number of young ones. Every time we pay our ISPs we are, in a small way, encouraging their access to it and the things they might find, are we not?

If you think of the internet as a library, then there are quite a lot of books that can hurt someone when read. Then there are those that are dangerous to some, but maybe not others.

Many children are abused, and probably some of them hop on the internet. Then, there are the mentally ill and people like that.

Obviously, nothing is 100% safe for everyone (at least I can't think of anything; well, there's Heaven). There are self-harmers who will purposely damage themselves with the internet and what's on it. If they're an adult, then I guess it's 'their fault', but what if they're 10 years old? Of course, the parents are to blame, but is that where the blame ends? What do you think?

I am trying to figure this out. If a little kid goes to an adult shop or tries to go to a bar, the shop owner is going to kick them out. Not so with the adult shops on the internet. Can we just live with "well, their parents let them do it?" Is that holy? I want to know!
 
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toastwithbutter

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Well, this argument just came to mind. Maybe it solves the problem?

If a parent leaves young children alone with a bunch of sharp objects and they get hurt you can hardly blame the maker of the objects. I guess the difference is that the objects are being brought in from somewhere else via PC.

Is this logical?
 

Nautilus

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It's called be a good parent and don't leave your children online and unsupervised.
 
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toastwithbutter

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It's called be a good parent and don't leave your children online and unsupervised.
Well, yes, that's a good solution. I have mental illness and sometimes nonsensical moral dilemmas start haunting me.
 
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nathan3

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If this bothers you organize a community group , where you can raise awarness about important issues like this. Maybe you would prevent at least one kid from the dangers of the internet.
 
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toastwithbutter

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If this bothers you organize a community group , where you can raise awarness about important issues like this. Maybe you would prevent at least one kid from the dangers of the internet.
Interesting thought!
 
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ji

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Kids have access to the internet, probably a number of young ones. Every time we pay our ISPs we are, in a small way, encouraging their access to it and the things they might find, are we not?

If you think of the internet as a library, then there are quite a lot of books that can hurt someone when read. Then there are those that are dangerous to some, but maybe not others.

Many children are abused, and probably some of them hop on the internet. Then, there are the mentally ill and people like that.

Obviously, nothing is 100% safe for everyone (at least I can't think of anything; well, there's Heaven). There are self-harmers who will purposely damage themselves with the internet and what's on it. If they're an adult, then I guess it's 'their fault', but what if they're 10 years old? Of course, the parents are to blame, but is that where the blame ends? What do you think?

I am trying to figure this out. If a little kid goes to an adult shop or tries to go to a bar, the shop owner is going to kick them out. Not so with the adult shops on the internet. Can we just live with "well, their parents let them do it?" Is that holy? I want to know!
This is your opinion,not reality...
 

breno785au

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Free software like K9 Web Protection allows you to block out whatever you don't your children to see., or whatever you yourself don't want to accidently see.
 
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toastwithbutter

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I have mental illness so my reality is not always accurate. Thank you for your sane responses.
 
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ji

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I have mental illness so my reality is not always accurate. Thank you for your sane responses.
Jesus is the cure,...internet contains bad and good...
Its upto each one to decide what they need....
Blocking areas in internet for under aged or talking about its worse things doesn't change things..
A changed person who reflects Christ after getting freed from addiction,immoral ways is Good enough to make others see they need to change..that's how it is done and not by blocking web,it increases the interest...
Let God cure where the person fails,then its not anymore the person whom devil fights but God.
Its very simple...don't make the problem big but give God chance and He will become big in our situations..

we live in a real world where without God we cannot change and become partakers of His Holiness..
internet or www is not the problem,its lazy Christians the problem..we don't Pray that satan does not prevail..
God Bless..:)


Note:-www(666) is real and it was purposefully made to degrade the human life in the coming years after its introduction.
Those who get more close to God wont care about it nor will they see or use internet much(be it for whatever),its all about loosing interest because Jesus is the core interest for such,be it child,adult,aged...and such makes impact on others who are addicted from their life style,its not done by blocking or fire walling...lol,it only increase the intensity if a person is not much interested getting out in the open...
 
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It's called be a good parent and don't leave your children online and unsupervised.
I agree and raise them to do what is right and if they get out of line (push) the pain button that runs from their butt to their brain with a switch! HAH!
 
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ji

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I agree and raise them to do what is right and if they get out of line (push) the pain button that runs from their butt to their brain with a switch! HAH!
if you do that they will hate you more unless you love them enough..
"And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord."
Love with chastisement works,otherwise you are making a pitbull out of your child.

An open hearted parent tries to fix the kid's problem and not beat him/her up without making the kid realize things.If you do,lot of run a ways(be it Spiritual or literal).If the parent cannot correct the child with Love,then the parent must first become mature.
 
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A lot of people (not saying you) like to blame others for their poor parenting. My unsupervised child was watching an inappropriate movie? Oh let's blame the film makers.

Went on an unrestricted PC and accesed adult content? Let's blame the ISP.

No! Let's blame the parent who allows the child access to this sort of things.

Take responsibility and do your job as a parent.
 
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toastwithbutter

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A lot of people (not saying you) like to blame others for their poor parenting. My unsupervised child was watching an inappropriate movie? Oh let's blame the film makers.

Went on an unrestricted PC and accesed adult content? Let's blame the ISP.

No! Let's blame the parent who allows the child access to this sort of things.

Take responsibility and do your job as a parent.
I get that, but there are so many parents that don't wouldn't it be prudent to lock things down a little better? I mean, it's not good to get too rule-happy, and when the state rules hard bad things always happen. So I'm not saying you're wrong. I really just feel for the kids of parents like you are describing, and I wonder what could be done to help them more. Maybe the world is just so broken that CPS is the best we've got. But, maybe there are things we are missing that we haven't thought of. My only thought on that matter would be more prayer.
 
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Children need protection by a parent with grace not a buddy parent who lets them do what theywant then punishes them when things go bad.
 
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toastwithbutter

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Children need protection by a parent with grace not a buddy parent who lets them do what theywant then punishes them when things go bad.
It's not easy to parent a child of Satan. And the best way to do so... oh, difficulty.
 

pickles

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The internet issue was simple in our family, we simply did not have it untill our children were at the age and place where they were mature enough to have access, and then it was still closely supervised.
My husband and I saw our children as Gods gift to us, and that we were responsible to God first in their care.
When thay would ask us why we said no, or would not allow, the answer was simple...
We are answerable to God for you! :)

God bless
pickles
 

posthuman

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we can't always be standing over our children's shoulders guiding every mouse click,
and if we are, we exasperate them and push them to rebellion when they are out from our thumb.

we can't let their mistakes go without consequence either, or we spoil them. it is good to have oversight, and it is good to be able to trust them. most people learn best from experience, but experience is something that is never gained until after there was a need for it.


Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.
(Proverbs 22:6)

hasn't God the Father also done this with us?
evil is in our reach to take hold of it, and so is good, and in His mercy God defers judgement, giving us time to repent. He also shows us the Light, and says "
this is the way, walk in it" (Isaiah 30:21)
 

pickles

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we can't always be standing over our children's shoulders guiding every mouse click,
and if we are, we exasperate them and push them to rebellion when they are out from our thumb.



Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.
(Proverbs 22:6)

Training ones child from the earlyest age is trully important as you speak to here. :)
Also trust, as this was valued in our home.
But one does not have to stand over their child, all ones child needs is a good and lived example, and the knowladge that their parents care and do all for their benefit.

One does have to be watchful though, not because of mistrust of their children, but because of the threats that are aout there.
We trained our children the warning signs, the things to be watchful for.

God bless
pickles