Comparing Spiritual with Spiritual

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Why does it seem so hard for some professing Christians to see the spiritual side of what was once physical that are recorded in scriptures? It is like the "shadow of things to come. The light moves and the shadow moves, but the substance that the light shines on doesn't move.

Hebrews 11:1-3 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For by it the elders obtained a good report.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

What then is the Spirit of God? Is it the substance, the shadow, the light, or the perception given for us to see all three for the purpose that they were given?
 
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The Spirit is unmoving from our bodies, so i guess to you unmoving means substance?... true christians will always have the spirit. but the spirit moves, through us, into others. and if it moves its both a shadow and a light?
if we live through the spirit, the spirit moves through us into the people who want to know the truth.
 
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OwenHeidenreich said:
The Spirit is unmoving from our bodies, so i guess to you unmoving means substance?... true christians will always have the spirit. but the spirit moves, through us, into others. and if it moves its both a shadow and a light?
if we live through the spirit, the spirit moves through us into the people who want to know the truth.
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Good point. So the shadow of things to come are also by the same Spirit that indwells us.

Colossians 2:16-17 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Hebrews 10:1-2 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
 
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Genesis 41:38 (KJV)
[SUP]38 [/SUP]And Pharaoh said unto his servants, Can we find such a one as this is, a man in whom the Spirit of God is?

This scripture is referring to Joseph, Israel's/Jacob's son. The Spirit of God taught the men of Israel how to make the physical temple as a shadow of things to come. Meditation on these things was an ordinance given called the feast of tabernacles.

Exodus 28:3 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And thou shalt speak unto all that are wise hearted, whom I have filled with the spirit of wisdom, that they may make Aaron's garments to consecrate him, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office.

Proverbs 17:24 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wisdom is before him that hath understanding; but the eyes of a fool are in the ends of the earth.
 
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maybe it is because people see the true meaning of the physical.

It is a set of laws given to LEAD us to the completion of the law.

1. It proves our guilt
2. It is impossible to fulfill. Since we are told we must obey ALL the words. Not just the words we chose to follow and others we say do not apply to us anymore.
3. It shows us the means to be redeemed( shedding of blood)
4. It gives no one and excuse.

When we stand in front of God. we will be judged by the very things written in this law. And those who have not done what it requires (which is no one) will be found guilty. Unless the payment was made by the one the law pointed to.

More importantly. Why do people wish to go to that which can only condemn. And think this is what makes us righteous (good little christian boys and girls) and not look forward to the spirit. Who will teach us all things through Christ?
 
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All of what God has ever done is to be seen in the Spirit of God because He is a Spirit. To the believer the physical foreshadow of things to come is seen with a spiritual mind enabling that person to be subject to the law in Spirit because the carnal mind isn't taking precedence.

John 4:24 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP]God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.


1 Corinthians 3:1-3 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
maybe it is because people see the true meaning of the physical.

It is a set of laws given to LEAD us to the completion of the law.

1. It proves our guilt
2. It is impossible to fulfill. Since we are told we must obey ALL the words. Not just the words we chose to follow and others we say do not apply to us anymore.
3. It shows us the means to be redeemed( shedding of blood)
4. It gives no one and excuse.

When we stand in front of God. we will be judged by the very things written in this law. And those who have not done what it requires (which is no one) will be found guilty. Unless the payment was made by the one the law pointed to.

More importantly. Why do people wish to go to that which can only condemn. And think this is what makes us righteous (good little christian boys and girls) and not look forward to the spirit. Who will teach us all things through Christ?
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1 Corinthians 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1 Corinthians 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
1 Corinthians 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
1 Corinthians 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.


That's pretty clear. :)

I think that the issue for some is, the bible gives us a full picture of both natural and spiritual principles, and without a doubt there are spiritual lessons in most of the natural accounts in scripture. We can see that clearly in many of the Psalms, along with the Prophets of old.

For whatever reason, some step outside of the word, and start going into other areas to seek spiritual understanding, and (just as wrong) sometimes they just lean on their own understanding... that takes a person way off track.

God's word gives us the whole picture.

I'll stick with HIS word rather than opinions.

Good post Just-me

1 Thessalonians 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

John 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
 
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1 Corinthians 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1 Corinthians 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
1 Corinthians 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
1 Corinthians 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.


That's pretty clear. :)

I think that the issue for some is, the bible gives us a full picture of both natural and spiritual principles, and without a doubt there are spiritual lessons in most of the natural accounts in scripture. We can see that clearly in many of the Psalms, along with the Prophets of old.

For whatever reason, some step outside of the word, and start going into other areas to seek spiritual understanding, and (just as wrong) sometimes they just lean on their own understanding... that takes a person way off track.

God's word gives us the whole picture.

I'll stick with HIS word rather than opinions.

Good post Just-me

1 Thessalonians 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
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I've often heard 1 Corinthians 15 read at graveside committals.

Kind of puts things into perspective.

Blessings.
 
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I've often heard 1 Corinthians 15 read at graveside committals.

Kind of puts things into perspective.

Blessings.
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Yes, I've heard it used as well in the same way.

It actually has to do with this life...putting off the old man, and putting on the new.

Paul was speaking this to the living.

Ephesians 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
Ephesians 4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
 
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1 Corinthians 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1 Corinthians 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
1 Corinthians 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
1 Corinthians 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.


That's pretty clear. :)
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Yeah it is. But that was talking about adam. Not the law. So it does not pertain to the subject of this thread :p

I think that the issue for some is, the bible gives us a full picture of both natural and spiritual principles, and without a doubt there are spiritual lessons in most of the natural accounts in scripture. We can see that clearly in many of the Psalms, along with the Prophets of old.

For whatever reason, some step outside of the word, and start going into other areas to seek spiritual understanding, and (just as wrong) sometimes they just lean on their own understanding... that takes a person way off track.

God's word gives us the whole picture.

I'll stick with HIS word rather than opinions.
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So will I.

His word says that the law was given for one purpose and one purpose only. To show us the way to Christ.

Taking it to mean ANYTHING other than this, is to do as you say, "lean on your own understanding"

And for you to continue to say we are looking outside of Gods word does not help you case. For non of us are doing this. Why do people continue to attack what they do not understand? It just makes it so we can not even look at what you say and think it would give us some wisdom. If you can not even take what we REALLY believe and get it right. We certainly would not even consider anything else you might say.

Good post Just-me

1 Thessalonians 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

John 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
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Again, Nothing in these passages have a thing to do with the law. Thus add nothing to the discussion
 
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Yes, I've heard it used as well in the same way.

It actually has to do with this life...putting off the old man, and putting on the new.

Paul was speaking this to the living.

Ephesians 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
Ephesians 4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
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Amen,

But if we try to do this of our own power we will fail

We need the power of God and his leading and guidance to even begin to be able to do this. Otherwise it is all of self. and not of God.
 
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