Greater Works?
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Because Jesus went to the Father at 33 and John lived to about 100 the works that were performed by these men whose faith was in the cross. Can also be done in this day and time and is done. People are being healed and set free from addiction, no fox news won't tell you that. In fact our faith is greater than the Apostles because they saw Him and we have only heard the word, yet some of us have seen Him at work. The less you see and believe the better off you are. It's all about faith
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I must say OP that I also worry and wonder about this one... atheists have a knack for asking why people's limbs doesn't grow back for example. Jesus healed. It was visible and real. Yes we are to live by faith, and faith is required for these people to be healed. If we have the faith of a mustard seed we can say to the mountain move, and it will. Yet when I pray for people they do not get healed. Jesus Himself caused a revolution and a stirring wherever He went. He was one man. Why don't we have the same effect?
Well crossnotes it is all about this too is it not.... Luke 11:9... And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.
But it has to be the Spirit of God that asks. God CANNOT say no to Himself. And here is the ADVANTAGE of the believer....Not only does the Spirit of God in the believer ask but also the SON that is right there with God. WOW! And how keenly does God say YES to every prayer of a believer... This keenly....
Luke 11:13.... If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
Wow! I asked God now for 4 years, and still I did not get him, maybe I am just not one of those that will get Him. So I will keep on searching, and I will keep on aking and I will keep on knocking. I believe my time of asking and receiving will come. I will also not give my son a stone when he ask bread, and I believe god is better than me, so I will keep asking for the Holy Spirit.
Whatever this means, MAY GOD BLESS us. Amen!
But it has to be the Spirit of God that asks. God CANNOT say no to Himself. And here is the ADVANTAGE of the believer....Not only does the Spirit of God in the believer ask but also the SON that is right there with God. WOW! And how keenly does God say YES to every prayer of a believer... This keenly....
Luke 11:13.... If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
Wow! I asked God now for 4 years, and still I did not get him, maybe I am just not one of those that will get Him. So I will keep on searching, and I will keep on aking and I will keep on knocking. I believe my time of asking and receiving will come. I will also not give my son a stone when he ask bread, and I believe god is better than me, so I will keep asking for the Holy Spirit.
Whatever this means, MAY GOD BLESS us. Amen!
J
Well, if anyone holds to cessasionalism then I suppose this scripture wouldn't make much sense.
However, I have heard of wildly amazing miracles around the world, I have read them in Christian biographies, and heard eye-witness testimony. I have seen miracles and healings on a smaller scale, but I certainly believe in the many powerful things that have been done in God's name.
Although, as I think about it, maybe Jesus was also referring to missionaries, apostles, and evangelists that would bring in a great harvest of souls, because of the Holy Spirit being poured out. The Jews, by and large, rejected Christ's salvation, maybe Christ was referring to Christians who would save many tens of thousands, thus doing greater works than Him. I am not entirely sure on that part.
However, I have heard of wildly amazing miracles around the world, I have read them in Christian biographies, and heard eye-witness testimony. I have seen miracles and healings on a smaller scale, but I certainly believe in the many powerful things that have been done in God's name.
Although, as I think about it, maybe Jesus was also referring to missionaries, apostles, and evangelists that would bring in a great harvest of souls, because of the Holy Spirit being poured out. The Jews, by and large, rejected Christ's salvation, maybe Christ was referring to Christians who would save many tens of thousands, thus doing greater works than Him. I am not entirely sure on that part.
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The question was a pretty good question. Some of the replys however are all over the map. Let me see if I can make it simple without all the self thought stuff. This basic question was asked of greater in what way? Well Crossnote greater in the way of our approach to the understanding that we have of Christ after his death and with all our past examples. Greater in that we have had so many worldly examples to show us what not to do and only biblical accountings of what to do as far as the continued work of Christ.Many men in the bible failed and many were blessed. Greater works means we have to renew our mind to Christ centered thinking and get off our know it all high horses. For truly we only know in part. And the part that some know is very litte in a lot of instances,greater in gathering of the lost, setting captives free teaching liberty restoring sight, raising the dead, shadows healing people, lives being changed miricale being manifested in a real everyday newsworthy way all these apply. With all the great teaching men and women of God we rarely hear of the dead being raised or sight being restored but we do hear of scandal and failings. Greater in that we are to sek him first and all else will be added unto us. Greater in that we are not so thin skinned but are resielient and in some cases violent because the violent take it by force. Let me rightly divide that word. I will not take any more stuff from the enemy and then do something not just lip action.Great works consist of envagalizing the unsaved teaching the uncompromised word living a Godly life in a hell filled world,fighting the good fight. Did you get that fight. Many Christians talk a good talk but are weak and scared of conflict or engagement with the enemy. They want blessings but hate getting ther hands or knees dirty that is just a general statement to drive home a point. With so much work left to be done why bicker over foolishness as we often do. This question is what we should be doing stimulation of our awareness to do all we can do in Christ and definately for Christ. Great not just in the quantity or even the quality for that matterbut quality of our offerings unto God do matter lets get that clear but greater in wisdom and application, greater in steadfastness and zeal greater in seeking the face of our Lord, greater in our prayer life and greater in our understanding that we are made with greatness as a part of or God character if we only tap into it. Healing is in our hands restoration in our lips if we apply the scriptures in the right manner at the right time.We are great because greater is he that is in us than he that is in the world! Just a few thoughts!
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The WORKS that Jesus is referring to are not miracles, but WORDS. Jesus said that false prophets would show SIGNS AND WONDERS:
"For false Christs and false prophets will arise and show SIGNS AND WONDERS to lead astray if possible the elect. But be on guard I have told you ALL THINGS beforehand." Mark 13:22, and other verses about signs and wonders
Before Jesus' resurrection, his disciples didn't understand many of the teachings/words of the Lord Jesus. Afterwards they understood. See John 16:12-13
Matt 5:16, "In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your GOOD WORKS, and give glory to your Father who is in heaven." Again the GOOD WORKS are not miracles or good deeds but WORDS.
When you help the poor: "But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving might be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you." Matt 6:3-4
"For false Christs and false prophets will arise and show SIGNS AND WONDERS to lead astray if possible the elect. But be on guard I have told you ALL THINGS beforehand." Mark 13:22, and other verses about signs and wonders
Before Jesus' resurrection, his disciples didn't understand many of the teachings/words of the Lord Jesus. Afterwards they understood. See John 16:12-13
Matt 5:16, "In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your GOOD WORKS, and give glory to your Father who is in heaven." Again the GOOD WORKS are not miracles or good deeds but WORDS.
When you help the poor: "But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving might be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you." Matt 6:3-4
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I tend to think it's a problem on the receiving end (The problem is humanity, not that God never does these things anymore or isn't capable of it). I would submit that it also takes faith to receive healing, not just to perform healing.
Matthew 13:58:
"And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.
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Sin and lack of faith seem to be the primary factors that put up this barrier when it comes to miraculous events and blessings.
Matthew 13:58:
"And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.
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Sin and lack of faith seem to be the primary factors that put up this barrier when it comes to miraculous events and blessings.
How about this healing? I mean God says if the FAITHFUL prayer of the elders are done with oil God WILL heal the sick...
Is this relevant today since this was given in AFTER the resurrection of Christ.
James 5... Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
Jas 5:15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
And does the efectual fervent prayer of a righteous man STILL AVAILETH much or not?
Also from James 5... The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
No it is not only in quantity but also in quality.... Peter's shaddow healed the sick, and Paul's handkerchief or apron even healed the sick. The closest Jesus came to this was when the woman touched the hemn of the garment JEsus was wearing. Acts 19:11 and 12. Acts 5:15 (Peter's shaddow)
So it looks like Jesus really meant that whosoever believe on Him shall do greater works than He did. Praise Jesus for NEVER lying.
Is this relevant today since this was given in AFTER the resurrection of Christ.
James 5... Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
Jas 5:15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
And does the efectual fervent prayer of a righteous man STILL AVAILETH much or not?
Also from James 5... The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
No it is not only in quantity but also in quality.... Peter's shaddow healed the sick, and Paul's handkerchief or apron even healed the sick. The closest Jesus came to this was when the woman touched the hemn of the garment JEsus was wearing. Acts 19:11 and 12. Acts 5:15 (Peter's shaddow)
So it looks like Jesus really meant that whosoever believe on Him shall do greater works than He did. Praise Jesus for NEVER lying.
We have the word of Jesus after His resurrection to the same effect. John 20:26-30 Where Jesus addresses Thomas and states that Thomas believed because he saw but blessed were those who believed but have not seen, miracles and signs being part of the subject under discussion.
What greater work than to share the gospel and watch God work and bring a soul to salvation. Romans 1:16
For the cause of Christ
Roger
What greater work than to share the gospel and watch God work and bring a soul to salvation. Romans 1:16
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Notuptome, when God does bring the soul to salvation God Perfects the man and furnish him thorougly unto all GOOD WORKS....
Roger here is the thing. God not only save to save a soul he also FURNISH the SAVED soul to DO HIS MIGHTY GOOD WORKS...
Perfect God says PErfect cannot be less than Christ. Christ is the PERFECT God takes us too, that is why these men are able with GREATER GOOD WORKS than Jesus.....
Here check this one out.... 2 Tim 3:17.... That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Plesae note ALL good works... Wow!
Roger here is the thing. God not only save to save a soul he also FURNISH the SAVED soul to DO HIS MIGHTY GOOD WORKS...
Perfect God says PErfect cannot be less than Christ. Christ is the PERFECT God takes us too, that is why these men are able with GREATER GOOD WORKS than Jesus.....
Here check this one out.... 2 Tim 3:17.... That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Plesae note ALL good works... Wow!
Probably because....
1. We ain't Jesus
2. Maybe we should pray for God's will to be done...maybe the people (person) we are praying for is not meant to be healed....
Paul prayed three times for the (thorn in his flesh) to be healed and the answer was....NO! and.....
Live with it as my grace is sufficient........
1. We ain't Jesus
2. Maybe we should pray for God's will to be done...maybe the people (person) we are praying for is not meant to be healed....
Paul prayed three times for the (thorn in his flesh) to be healed and the answer was....NO! and.....
Live with it as my grace is sufficient........
Brother pastac: Please, please use "paragraphs." Please!
Simply saying/asking.........folks JUST ARE NOT going to read comments/posts which render them cross eyed........
You may well have valuable contributions, but if the post is so very difficult to read...........???
Reminds me of when Paul talked about speaking "words of understanding" when in church.........
Not putting you down.............simply asking/suggesting.
Simply saying/asking.........folks JUST ARE NOT going to read comments/posts which render them cross eyed........
You may well have valuable contributions, but if the post is so very difficult to read...........???
Reminds me of when Paul talked about speaking "words of understanding" when in church.........
Not putting you down.............simply asking/suggesting.
T
One should read further down from vs.12 Jesus then begins telling them in vs 16 of the coming of the Holy Ghost.
Jesus was plain spoken in vs.12, there s no hidden revelation, no allegory, no figurative speech.
Jesus said plainly that greater works will we do because he was leaving. When Jesus left we entered into the dispensation of the Holy Ghost, it is now his turn to work in the earth.
Acts 10.38 says:
How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
NEWSFLASH: If the Holy Ghost can do it for Jesus, he can do it for you! The only difference's were that we are not perfect and Jesus was and Jesus operated in perfect obedience and submission to the will of the Father.
Christians love a powerless Gospel, because they suggest it keeps them "humble" and my oh my how the scream and love being humble and remind themselves of their sin and how Jesus must be placed on the pedestal of inaccessibility, that he is far greater than they will ever be. Pardon my french, but this is a total load of bull, because the The Bible says differently.
If Jesus was everything and we would not need anything else but him and the Bible, then it makes God a liar and the whole thing is a fraud.
God has always and will continue to work through men until the end of days...Just like the devil does.
Jesus was plain spoken in vs.12, there s no hidden revelation, no allegory, no figurative speech.
Jesus said plainly that greater works will we do because he was leaving. When Jesus left we entered into the dispensation of the Holy Ghost, it is now his turn to work in the earth.
Acts 10.38 says:
How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
NEWSFLASH: If the Holy Ghost can do it for Jesus, he can do it for you! The only difference's were that we are not perfect and Jesus was and Jesus operated in perfect obedience and submission to the will of the Father.
Christians love a powerless Gospel, because they suggest it keeps them "humble" and my oh my how the scream and love being humble and remind themselves of their sin and how Jesus must be placed on the pedestal of inaccessibility, that he is far greater than they will ever be. Pardon my french, but this is a total load of bull, because the The Bible says differently.
If Jesus was everything and we would not need anything else but him and the Bible, then it makes God a liar and the whole thing is a fraud.
God has always and will continue to work through men until the end of days...Just like the devil does.
T
Where does it ever say the thorn was a physical aliment, because Paul never said it was physical, Paul stated it was a messenger from Satan that continually battered him so he would not be exalted or let his pride take him over.
The thorn cannot be physical, because the Bible does not say it was physical, but a messenger of Satan. The Greek word for messenger in 2 Cor 12 is the very same word for angel in The Gospels and in the account of the birth of Jesus, the word is synonymous and measn the same thing.
So we know Paul said his thorn was an angel of Satan, not a physical ailment. I personally believe the thorn was Paul's anger management problem...
The thorn cannot be physical, because the Bible does not say it was physical, but a messenger of Satan. The Greek word for messenger in 2 Cor 12 is the very same word for angel in The Gospels and in the account of the birth of Jesus, the word is synonymous and measn the same thing.
So we know Paul said his thorn was an angel of Satan, not a physical ailment. I personally believe the thorn was Paul's anger management problem...
Maybe the fact that he ties it to his eyes....
1. He cant see and has to have somebody write for him...
2. Only signs a few letters and writes BIG SO AS TO SEE TO WRITE....
3. Satan is tied to bodily suffering all through the Gospels...
4. The thorn in the (FLESH) is indicative of the problem being IN THE FLESH
AND YOU PERSONALLY BELIEVING IS NO DIFFERENT THAN ME PERSONALLY BELIEVING IT WAS A PHYSICAL AILMENT!
Truth is, you don't know and yours is an educated guess, just as mine is an educated guess!....maybe we are both wrong!
1. He cant see and has to have somebody write for him...
2. Only signs a few letters and writes BIG SO AS TO SEE TO WRITE....
3. Satan is tied to bodily suffering all through the Gospels...
4. The thorn in the (FLESH) is indicative of the problem being IN THE FLESH
AND YOU PERSONALLY BELIEVING IS NO DIFFERENT THAN ME PERSONALLY BELIEVING IT WAS A PHYSICAL AILMENT!
Truth is, you don't know and yours is an educated guess, just as mine is an educated guess!....maybe we are both wrong!