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homwardbound

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[video]Why I Hate Religion, But Love Jesus || Spoken Word [/video]
 
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The link didn't work for me, but the statement itself really I hear this alot, though I deem it to be more because of personal misinterpretation of the concept of religion. Ironically just by loving Jesus that's a religion (correct religion too by the way, so nothing wrong with that.)

Really kind of the organized religion vs religion/theology debate overall I suppose is where this leads. I'd say as a very big skeptic of some of these "churches" out in pop culture land that I have found that even organized Christianity can be and has been very positive to humankind now and throughout history. I'd submit this enitre website as proof positive of that.
 

RickyZ

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I find that 'religion' has very little to do with 'relationship' these days. My love for Jesus is relational, not religical.
 

crossnote

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Let's define religion, and then we can have a coherent discussion.
 
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Let's define religion, and then we can have a coherent discussion.
From dictionary.com
Religion | Define Religion at Dictionary.com

1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.

3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.

4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.

5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.



When I personally use the word religion I am of the opinion of defining religion by the first definition.
 

crossnote

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From dictionary.com
Religion | Define Religion at Dictionary.com

1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.

3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.

4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.

5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.



When I personally use the word religion I am of the opinion of defining religion by the first definition.
Then I suppose I can love Jesus and not hate #1.
 

homwardbound

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Religion = what am I doing to get a deity (God) to respond to me
I can't see God responding to me, being the creation, yet religion tries.
Relationship = one responding to God and what God has done in thanksgiving and praise (Psalm 100:4)

Let me think creator, God known By Son alone and Son's finished work for us
Me, you and you, and all people Creation.
How can the creation play creator?
How can God be a responder when God is the creator of all?
 

homwardbound

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Here you go to get the video
[video=youtube_share;1IAhDGYlpqY]http://youtu.be/1IAhDGYlpqY[/video]
 

posthuman

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[video]Why I Hate Religion, But Love Jesus || Spoken Word [/video]
is this the right link?

[video=youtube_share;1IAhDGYlpqY]http://youtu.be/1IAhDGYlpqY[/video]

i like it :)

EDIT OK you got it haha
 

homwardbound

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The link didn't work for me, but the statement itself really I hear this alot, though I deem it to be more because of personal misinterpretation of the concept of religion. Ironically just by loving Jesus that's a religion (correct religion too by the way, so nothing wrong with that.)

Really kind of the organized religion vs religion/theology debate overall I suppose is where this leads. I'd say as a very big skeptic of some of these "churches" out in pop culture land that I have found that even organized Christianity can be and has been very positive to humankind now and throughout history. I'd submit this enitre website as proof positive of that.
Link fixed Brother, thanks for letting me know, new at all this bringing in stuff from other places, and get it then do not got it now post #8
 

SparkleEyes

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I love what Jefferson Bethke says. I would like to add that since he made this, he realizes he made a couple of mistakes. I don't remember what they are but here is his website jeffbethke.com (I hope the link works). His reaction and the changes he would make if he were to make that video again may be on there. :cool:
 

homwardbound

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is this the right link?

[video=youtube_share;1IAhDGYlpqY]http://youtu.be/1IAhDGYlpqY[/video]

i like it :)

EDIT OK you got it haha
He has quite a bit more stuff, I am checking out on and one adversary trying to make a mockery, prayers for him,
 
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mwFerguson_MTh

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“When it can be said by any country in the world, my poor are happy, neither ignorance nor distress is to be found among them, my jails are empty of prisoners, my streets of beggars, the aged are not in want, the taxes are not oppressive, the rational world is my friend because I am the friend of happiness. When these things can be said, then may that country boast its constitution and government. Independence is my happiness, the world is my country, and my religion is to do good.”
~Thomas Paine, Rights of Man (emp. added)
 

Apostol2013

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[video]Why I Hate Religion, But Love Jesus || Spoken Word [/video]
as 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world. It is the law of the spirit in Christ that we should hate sin and love righteousness , just like jesus in sharing the gospel our spiritual food as well as our physical food also in all goodness and charity , and this is the love of Christ and if we love Him we will do as He says in all purity not as a law but in all faith in God foe He is good .
 

Apostol2013

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So there is a pure religion that is true and that is in Christ
 

Apostol2013

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Now the link should say mans religion or unbiblical religion
 

homwardbound

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So there is a pure religion that is true and that is in Christ
one is an initiator
The other is a responder
God is the initiator and I am the responder as you are, we are free to love as God loves.
 
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Spokenpassage

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I heard this spoken word for years, Jefferson Bethke is inspiring (in the ones I've heard)

Thanks for sharing this!
 
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is this the right link?

[video=youtube_share;1IAhDGYlpqY]http://youtu.be/1IAhDGYlpqY[/video]

i like it :)

EDIT OK you got it haha
Good video indeed!

Ya this is the basic overall point of how "religion" is seen today by most the youth I know. Problem is this, all the good stuff this guy say is itself religion, religion of Christianity, which is the correct religion. His poem reflect well right there what is the problem with most organized religion, whilest ironically calling for organized religion himself saying there is room with Jesus, and indeed he is correct. A lot of the churches of stone have become museums indeed lol, tombs I'd say personally (many literally all ready!)

Way I see it is the real challenge is not Jesus>Religion because duh the God is the hierarch of everything not just religious thought lol.
The challenge lies in getting people back to Jesus=True Religion.

HowChristianity in the 21st century as a religion and as the church structures and all that goes about this or doesn't go about this we shall see.