Positive Confession or Faith?

J-Kay-2 · Apr 5, 2014

I know a man who is dying of cancer right now. His
wife shows nearly 60 people standing in agreement
with her, he will be healed.

I encourage her God can still perform miracles, but
I can't in good conscience tell her, God is going to
heal him.

Does anyone else have qualms about being insistent
God will heal someone ? Does it show lock of faith
if the person is not healed ? What does it do to the
woman who is holding on to all the scriptures ?

I remember back in the day of 'name it and claim it'
a little girl fell into a swimming pool and drowned.
She was revived and taken to hospital and sent home.

Great....right? No it was not a good situation. People
were sure they were being sent to the hospital to
pray for her to survive the after effects. Then people
wanted to go to the home and pray for her perfect
healing.

I honestly felt bad for the Mother. The child did not
get healed completely. She had round the clock nursing
care, and lived in vegetative state for few years.

Was this Positive Confession ? Or was it Faith ?
Who failed ? God ? The Mother, did she not believe
enough?

I believe in healing. I know does work miracles. I
believe He wants us to ask in prayer for this, but
it just doesn't always happen.

Right now there is a beautiful little toddler who
went through brain surgery. She has to have surgery
again next week. Does this stop us from asking God
to heal her? No, it doesn't. We can only pray... as
Jesus prayed... Not my will, but Thine be done. Amen

crossnote · Apr 5, 2014

there's one stipulation...

And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us: And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.
(1Jn 5:14-15)

not our will but His be done, after all He is God.

breno785au · Apr 5, 2014

If you believe in your heart without doubting it will be done.
In the scriptures we see the people either laid hands on the sick and/or just spoke and they were healed instantly, they didn't gather around praying in agreement for God to heal, God worked through them in the action of their faith. I'm still working this out in my own walk but this is an understanding that is alive in my heart. Doing the latter, which may seem like faith could almost be considered unbelief - I've been in that place many times and always felt it wasn't what we were supposed to do. Each according to their own faith, i'm not saying to rebuke or teach, it's just merely and observation and a part of something I believe Holy Spirit has shown me.

J-Kay-2 · Apr 5, 2014

breno785au said:

I am a believer in people gathering together in one accord and pray for
the sick to be healed. I am not certain this home is open to that, and I
will pray if God wants to do that, maybe she can get some strong Christians
to come in. They don't attend a Church that I know of. Pray and agree
with me please to know the mind of God for this mans situation and I
will certainly pass it on to his wife. The Lords will be done. Thank you.

J-Kay-2 · Apr 5, 2014

crossnote said:

Exactly.... His will be done. I could tell many stories of answer to prayers
my husband and I have done, but it would not be right to do so. But, I can
say when the Spirit of God falls heavy in prayer, there is no greater feeling
than the power of the Holy Spirit lifting needs up in prayer. Amen ?

Kerry · Apr 5, 2014

There must some sign of faith in the cross. The Holy Spirit can only work in the parameters of the cross. Rest assured it is Gods will for people to be healed. Many times Jesus said I will. The fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. What is a righteous man, a man whose faith is in the cross. Plead the blood and have faith in powerful work of the cross.

At the same time, we all have an appointed time to rest with our fathers. But, hold on and keep praying. Ask, seek and knock all the while trusting in the cross. First of for their salvation, because the passing of a saved one is better than healing.

dcontroversal · Apr 5, 2014

I always pray for God's will to be done and if it is within His permissive will for the person to be healed....I just found out today my best friend who had colon cancer put in remission three months ago has found it in his bones....Same story as I will pray for God to heal him if it is within God's will.......

A question hardly asked....If God is not going to heal someone as their time is up are we sinning if we pray for God to heal them?

ThomistColin · Apr 5, 2014

dcontroversal said:

No, we are not sinning if we ask God to heal someone, even if its not the Lord's will to heal that person. Scripture tells us to pray for one another, and to pray for our enemies. This sign of love is the center of the will of God in our lives. Even if God's answer is no, it is not a sin to ask. If it were, then Jesus would have sinned when He asked for the cup to be taken away.

J-Kay-2 · Apr 14, 2014

dcontroversal said:

Hi D... I just now discovered this. I do get sidetracked don't I ? I would
be a good person to play hide and go seek with, if I were a child. LOL.

Okay, I get your question. I personally pray for their healing. If we don't
see that healing and seeming to drag on....sort of like your friend... I ask
God to please deal with them if there is anything unfinished in their life.
Especially if they are not showing fruits of being saved. Sometimes the
fruit on a tree may look good, but inside the fruit has a bad spot and it needs
to be pulled off and thrown away.

For example I had a person who was so near deaths door so many times
it was unreal. God will bring through it , then something else hit them.
I had heard via family member this person had possibly a lady friend, not
his wife. I am not saying an affair ensued. I am just saying based on that
I was able to ask God to keep this person alive until they had dealt with
any unfinished business or unconfessed sin. So far the person is still
alive. Barely, but God has spared him. When I pray for this person now,
I pray with assurance God has dealt with this brother and when his time
is up, I believe God has heard all prayers and answered in His own way.

I am more concerned about those who have no idea their last breath is
like .... right now. You know how so many think, 'I will tomorrow' type
person. But, tomorrow is not to be, and their life is wiped out night before.
That is the one I worry about.

I have thoughts also on the person in coma. I believe it is possible for
the Lord to minister to that person. It has been proven the person in coma
can hear what people say. I believe it is good idea to keep scripture playing,
or worship music and for prayers to be prayed over a comatose person.
No one knows, only God and the person involved. We are outsiders looking
in... Praying for the salvation and healing of all Gods children. Amen ?

ABMF · Apr 14, 2014

dcontroversal said:

Its always God's will to heal. A prayer of doubt doesn't make it much past the person's in the rooms ears. God won't hear it and won't answer it. In fact if you pray "if it be thy will" regarding healing, your going to be found doubting God. Doubt is sin. If you don't know about something clearly promised in God's word its best not to pray!

ABMF · Apr 14, 2014

ThomistColin said:

God never answers no regarding something He has clearly spelled out in His word. The Gospel of Jesus Christ is not Yes yes and no no but YES and AMEN in Him. For all God's promises are Yes and in Him amen to the Glory of God the Father through us. Pray in faith! Do what you are commanded to do and glorify Father God in heaven! God's word clearly shows the promises of healing available to those who are willing to meet the conditions for it to be fulfilled in their lives! And if that person who is sick has no faith? Have the compassion of Jesus and do the job! Be a good soldier of Jesus Christ and follow His orders! Heal the sick raise the dead and cast out demons! Pray in faith nothing doubting! You can't pray a "if it be they will prayer" in faith! [h=3]2 Corinthians 1:20, Matthew 10[/h]

RedTent · Apr 14, 2014

When my daughter was being born, it seemed to me I could know what the angels were thinking that God sent to help with her birth, to make the big transition from living in my womb and in the world. Here is what it seemed to me they were thinking.

First, you must know my daughter did not have a body that was made right, she would be ill. It was hard to teach her to cope with the illness and still live a full good life. Also know that you don't "listen" to angels, you perceive what they are thinking, but they think in spiritual terms, we think in physical. So I am translating.

The angels saw the body was not right, they saw my daughter as shining (whatever that means) and it was not right for her to have to live in this body for it would make her cry. I pleaded for my daughter. giving my needs and a promise to teach her what real joy was.

If the angels obeyed orders from God, it was best they take her, they could not make the decision to leave her with me. They asked for special permission to do that, and it was granted. She lived with us 21 delightful years, and I did teach her to be happy and produce good things.

Sometimes, I think our insistence on life here with us is selfish. To make the transition to life with the Lord is not that terrible. God sees many things we are blind to.

dcontroversal · Apr 14, 2014

ABMF said:

The two bolded give me pause....as we are to pray for the will of God to be done and God does not always heal everyone nor is it his will to always heal everyone.....<-----David's firstborn son, prayed for a week to heal the kid....God said NO..the child will surely die....

dcontroversal · Apr 14, 2014

J-Kay-2 said:

Hi D... I just now discovered this. I do get sidetracked don't I ? I would
be a good person to play hide and go seek with, if I were a child. LOL.

Okay, I get your question. I personally pray for their healing. If we don't
see that healing and seeming to drag on....sort of like your friend... I ask
God to please deal with them if there is anything unfinished in their life.
Especially if they are not showing fruits of being saved. Sometimes the
fruit on a tree may look good, but inside the fruit has a bad spot and it needs
to be pulled off and thrown away.

For example I had a person who was so near deaths door so many times
it was unreal. God will bring through it , then something else hit them.
I had heard via family member this person had possibly a lady friend, not
his wife. I am not saying an affair ensued. I am just saying based on that
I was able to ask God to keep this person alive until they had dealt with
any unfinished business or unconfessed sin. So far the person is still
alive. Barely, but God has spared him. When I pray for this person now,
I pray with assurance God has dealt with this brother and when his time
is up, I believe God has heard all prayers and answered in His own way.

I am more concerned about those who have no idea their last breath is
like .... right now. You know how so many think, 'I will tomorrow' type
person. But, tomorrow is not to be, and their life is wiped out night before.
That is the one I worry about.

I have thoughts also on the person in coma. I believe it is possible for
the Lord to minister to that person. It has been proven the person in coma
can hear what people say. I believe it is good idea to keep scripture playing,
or worship music and for prayers to be prayed over a comatose person.
No one knows, only God and the person involved. We are outsiders looking
in... Praying for the salvation and healing of all Gods children. Amen ?

Awesome thoughts and kindness for sure.

Least · Apr 15, 2014

J-Kay-2 said:

I agree j-kay-2,

Thought I'd share some verses on the subject for consideration, although I do not understand all of the workings here. The scripture does give examples of those who gather in His name, and even examples of sickness' with a purpose.

Mark 6:7 And he called unto him the twelve, and began to send them forth by two and two; and gave them power over unclean spirits;
Mark 6:8 And commanded them that they should take nothing for their journey, save a staff only; no scrip, no bread, no money in their purse:
Mark 6:9 But be shod with sandals; and not put on two coats.
Mark 6:10 And he said unto them, In what place soever ye enter into an house, there abide till ye depart from that place.
Mark 6:11 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

Even in the way that they were told to go, called for faith.

Matthew 18:19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
Matthew 18:21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
Matthew 18:22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

I believe that the above instruction is true. When two or three are gathered in His name, that HE is in the midst of them.

God has a purpose in everything.

When Jesus healed the blind man, it was so that "the works of God should be made manifest in him."

John 9:1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
John 9:2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
John 9:3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

As the chapter continues, this man who was healed became a powerful witness. This is one of my most favorite accounts of healing in the scriptures. God was glorified.

Matthew 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Matthew 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Matthew 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
Matthew 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
Matthew 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
Matthew 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

Job is a good example of this, not only did he continue to believe God, even when his wife told him to deny God in his sickness and suffering, but also his friends were tried in how they dealt with him.

At the end of the chapter, Job prays for his friends.

Job 42:10 And the LORD turned the captivity of Job, when he prayed for his friends: also the LORD gave Job twice as much as he had before.

Even though at times, they seemed to be more enemies than friends.

In Matthew 18, where Jesus speaks of two or more agreeing on anything it shall be done. The very next question that Peter asks is "how often shall I forgive those who sin against me?" The answer was:

Matthew 18:22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

The "OT," has many examples of healing as well, not only of people, but of land and water. All tied to obedience, and believing God, (faith.)
And all of the examples show forgiveness as being a part of it. (Either the forgiveness of God for trespasses, or forgiveness of men, for the same.) When Miriam and Aaron opposed Moses, Miriam ended up with leprosy. Moses prayed for her healing.

Numbers 12:13 And Moses cried unto the LORD, saying, Heal her now, O God, I beseech thee.

J-Kay-2 · Apr 15, 2014

Thanks to all who have shared thoughts. Some I agree with and some I don't.
There are scriptures I have questioned, such as why some say "it will happen"
then when it doesn't, made me question what is going on here ?

I am sorry to say I don't think it is based on our faith. I believe it is faith in Gods
ability to heal. But not on J~ KAY's faith. I would be patting myself on the back
all the time if all my 'faith' in 'my' prayers were answered.

Now take one critically ill person such as the man "Terry" who at this point in
time is told he is dying. Put Terry on a chair in the middle of room. Let all of
us lay our hands on his body. We pray. If Terry does die. Whose fault is it ?
His for not having faith? Or was it one of us who would be accused of not
having 'ENOUGH' faith ? If Terry is healed who takes credit ? Hopefully we
none would take 'credit' for a healing based on the "I believe everyone should
be healed." I am still firm believer in Gods ability to heal but I won't base my
faith or belief in God a doctrine. I still believe.... God's WILL be done.
God bless all ~ May we each grow in our faith and and pray with faith. J~K~2

ji · Apr 15, 2014

J-Kay-2 said:

Lack of Faith that happens due to shortage of Prayer Life.Nothing else.
More Stronger the Relationship with God in Prayer and Meditation,what we say will Happen for Healing..even if there is no calling.we need God's Virtue and that is stored in people who without any compromise lead a Dedicated Relationship in Prayer with God.

That's the answer and the only answer.you can test it out.
There is no need to go for any bible verse related,because its easy to pick from NT.
Problem is with us,not our lack of knowledge in Holy Scripture.
we lack Dedication..

J-Kay-2 · Apr 15, 2014

ji said:

I get the impression you have a great prayer life and communication with God.
Based on this assumption, it sounds as if every prayer you have prayed you have
had positive results? Like, praying for the sick, you have seen them healed ?
Or the addicted, you have seen them delivered ? Seriously need you in the USA
because we have a lot of needs. Really only Jesus Christ can do what is needed
done over here. Am I reading your post right ? Correct me where I am wrong.
I am logging out right now, but would love to see how you do it. (The special faith).

Jda016 · Apr 15, 2014

I believe God's goal is always to make us conformed to the image of His Son. I believe in healing and all the gifts of the spirit, however, I do believe God will allow an affliction so that it may produce Christ-likeness in us.

For our light afflictions produce in us an exceeding weight of glory beyond what we can even imagine when we respond to them in a Christ-like way.

ABMF · Apr 15, 2014

dcontroversal said:

The blood of Jesus speaks of better things. King David did not have the New Covenant established as a sure thing. Search the scriptures and find me one that Jesus did not heal, who came to Him for healing.

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