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jamie26301

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I'm sure we've all dealt with that person or people that we think "Geez, why can't she/he just consider what I think? Why can't she/he consider a different point of view?"

I found an article that many of you may find helpful regarding this matter. :)

Dealing With Close-Mindedness

God bless.
 
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Kerry

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My brother, you could walk on water and raise the dead, you could snap your finger and put a million dollars in there hand. They still will not believe. I meant, why leave the god of yourself, when it feels so good. Well bless god I go to church erry Sunday and I tell you sumpin else I cut the grass last week, Praise the god of myself I don't eat pork. I am so self righteous I don't need the cross, because I am my own God and I can do better than He ever thought. Praise God.
 
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kennethcadwell

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The bible says it right multiple times, "because of the hardness of our hearts. If you are brought up a certain way and some one brings another point of view to you that contradicts what you were taught rather it is right or not a lot of people will just refuse to believe it and just accept the way they were taught. This happens in all areas, not just religion.
 

crossnote

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I'm sure we've all dealt with that person or people that we think "Geez, why can't she/he just consider what I think? Why can't she/he consider a different point of view?"

I found an article that many of you may find helpful regarding this matter. :)

Dealing With Close-Mindedness

God bless.
Looking at the link this Steve person appears to be a motivational type speaker and I see no signs he is Christian...guess I'm closed minded :) . Here is his 'testimony' looks like humanistic methods to me. About Steve Pavlina . Now I guess I'm not only closed minded but a narrow minded pooh-bah.
 

jamie26301

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The article is not talking about convincing anyone of your argument or beliefs. It is merely talking about how to present your argument so that you don't get emotionally involved in it to the point that it escalates - which most of us has done at some point, including myself. It also presents a way to present your ideas so that it may loosen up the "close-minded person" you're talking to, and get an honest dialogue flowing.

crossnote, you have every right to dismiss what he says if you don't agree with it. However, doing that solely because he's not a Christian... well, that's like throwing the baby out with the bath water, I think. I think every piece of advice or doctrine, no matter what it is, should be considered on it's own merit rather than considered/not considered because of who presents it. But each to his own.
 

crossnote

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The article is not talking about convincing anyone of your argument or beliefs. It is merely talking about how to present your argument so that you don't get emotionally involved in it to the point that it escalates - which most of us has done at some point, including myself. It also presents a way to present your ideas so that it may loosen up the "close-minded person" you're talking to, and get an honest dialogue flowing.

crossnote, you have every right to dismiss what he says if you don't agree with it. However, doing that solely because he's not a Christian... well, that's like throwing the baby out with the bath water, I think. I think every piece of advice or doctrine, no matter what it is, should be considered on it's own merit rather than considered/not considered because of who presents it. But each to his own.
it's the humanistic techniques that are unimpressive, but oh well.
 
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danalee

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Looking at the link this Steve person appears to be a motivational type speaker and I see no signs he is Christian...guess I'm closed minded :) . Here is his 'testimony' looks like humanistic methods to me. About Steve Pavlina . Now I guess I'm not only closed minded but a narrow minded pooh-bah.
He's quoting Wayne Dyer.


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danalee

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The article is not talking about convincing anyone of your argument or beliefs. It is merely talking about how to present your argument so that you don't get emotionally involved in it to the point that it escalates - which most of us has done at some point, including myself. It also presents a way to present your ideas so that it may loosen up the "close-minded person" you're talking to, and get an honest dialogue flowing.

crossnote, you have every right to dismiss what he says if you don't agree with it. However, doing that solely because he's not a Christian... well, that's like throwing the baby out with the bath water, I think. I think every piece of advice or doctrine, no matter what it is, should be considered on it's own merit rather than considered/not considered because of who presents it. But each to his own.
You do realize you responded emotionally to his opinion...

:)

Have a nice night!
 

jamie26301

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You do realize you responded emotionally to his opinion...

:)

Have a nice night!
I suppose it could be read that way. :) We're all a work in progress.

cross note, if you were to write an article on the same topic, how would you revise or reinvent the humanistic ideas presented? How do you suppose we approach one another in such a way to lift tension?
 

crossnote

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cross note, if you were to write an article on the same topic, how would you revise or reinvent the humanistic ideas presented? How do you suppose we approach one another in such a way to lift tension?
I don't worry about who's right and who's wrong. I speak God's Word as I understand it and listen to God's Word from others as they understand it and pray that the Holy Spirit reveals to me or to the other the truth of the matter.
 
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My brother, you could walk on water and raise the dead, you could snap your finger and put a million dollars in there hand. They still will not believe. I meant, why leave the god of yourself, when it feels so good. Well bless god I go to church erry Sunday and I tell you sumpin else I cut the grass last week, Praise the god of myself I don't eat pork. I am so self righteous I don't need the cross, because I am my own God and I can do better than He ever thought. Praise God.
You have displayed your hand of not being right with the Lord as you accuse people of saying they don't need the cross. Or judging people who follow Christ in what they do every day of being self righteous because they follow Jesus. Scripture says that when we judge like you are doing, then God cannot forgive you of your sins, and scripture says we all sin and come short. Your words are putting you in a bad way with the Lord.

Read the sermon on the mount, and especially all the instructions given us about prayer. You will find that you have just done what disqualifies you from Christ.
 
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danalee

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I suppose it could be read that way. :) We're all a work in progress.

cross note, if you were to write an article on the same topic, how would you revise or reinvent the humanistic ideas presented? How do you suppose we approach one another in such a way to lift tension?
I have to give you points for being good spirited about criticism. Humanism speaks about taming the ego to make it work for people, giving the wrong impression that there is any justice or truth within ourselves. Turned inside out, the worst egotists and narcissists can be those who are throwing around self help ideals and what not. It's a slippery slope. We do need to act lovingly towards one another, right only being our obedience to him. ​Thanks for sharing...

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Tintin

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I'm sure we've all dealt with that person or people that we think "Geez, why can't she/he just consider what I think? Why can't she/he consider a different point of view?"

I found an article that many of you may find helpful regarding this matter. :)

Dealing With Close-Mindedness

God bless.
I don't think believing the Bible is God-breathed, infallible, the authoritative truth, historically accurate etc. is to be a close-minded Christian.
 
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I'm sure we've all dealt with that person or people that we think "Geez, why can't she/he just consider what I think? Why can't she/he consider a different point of view?"

I found an article that many of you may find helpful regarding this matter. :)

Dealing With Close-Mindedness

God bless.


ROMANS 8

1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.


It is frustrating because they argue against you with scripture and meaning that you encountered many times before however they fail to realize you have moved beyond that through God and because of their slothfulness and lack of works they remain in the initial encounter with God. They are right in carnal knowledge but lack wisdom and understanding through the spiritual mind that goes beyond with God in works.
 
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[SUP]And your answer in spirit....I wait for the knowledge of she/he..........



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[/SUP]And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
[SUP]32 [/SUP]He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
[SUP]33 [/SUP]Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
[SUP]35 [/SUP]Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
[SUP]36 [/SUP]As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
[SUP]39 [/SUP]Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
 
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Jda016

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I don't think believing the Bible is God-breathed, infallible, the authoritative truth, historically accurate etc. is to be a close-minded Christian.
You are right, but It is for those EXACT points that Christians are called close-minded.

I once had a professor call me close-minded when I said that Jesus Christ was the only way to Heaven and this professor had previously confessed to me that he was a Christian.

When people use the term "close-minded" they are generally referring to the exact things that Christians will not waver on.

*Christians* "All mankind has sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." *World* "You are close-minded."

"God created all things and by Him all things exist" - "You are close-minded and ignorant."

"Jesus Christ is the only name upon which mankind can be saved" - "You are close-minded, ignorant, and intolerant."

Church, do not ever let the world convince you that truth is relative, and Stand for the truth of Jesus Christ no matter how many stones are thrown at you. There are things Christians can never compromise on, for if we do, we cease to follow in the footsteps of The One who saved us.
 
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Tintin

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You are right, but It is for those EXACT points that Christians are called close-minded.

I once had a professor call me close-minded when I said that Jesus Christ was the only way to Heaven and this professor had previously confessed to me that he was a Christian.

When people use the term "close-minded" they are generally referring to the exact things that Christians will not waver on.

*Christians* "All mankind has sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." *World* "You are close-minded."

"God created all things and by Him all things exist" - "You are close-minded and ignorant."

"Jesus Christ is the only name upon which mankind can be saved" - "You are close-minded, ignorant, and intolerant."

Church, do not ever let the world convince you that truth is relative, and Stand for the truth of Jesus Christ no matter how many stones are thrown at you. There are things Christians can never compromise on, for if we do, we cease to follow in the footsteps of The One who saved us.
You're right. Sadly it's not only non-Christians who suggest that people who believe the Bible (as I've described above) are close-minded.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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I once had a psychology 101 professor in my undergraduate program urge everyone in the class to attend a séance and become involved in occultist activities.

As a relatively new Christian (but one who had been studying) I shot out of my seat and announced that doing so would open doors to the demonic realm that had nothing to do with God's kingdom and would result in demonic oppression and maybe even possession in their life that would torment them.

He stated that he was a Christian and that even King Saul had attended a séance.

I asked him if he remembered what the result of that was and he said that Saul was killed.

I said, Samuel rebuked him for his disobedience and stated that he would die and then he did so let's put two and two together here.

The professor became enraged and started screaming at me to get out of his class. I told him that I would respect his authority and leave but announced to the class that engaging in the occult in any form will have spiritually negative consequences for whomever does it and then I gathered my things and left.

Well, by the next week the professor had a heart attack seemingly from nowhere and had to retire his position teaching and was replaced by a young genuine Christian professor who gave me an A for the class and pretty much cosigned everything I had announced to the class during my argument with the previous professor.

I tried to investigate where the previous professor was as I wanted to try to help the man who had obviously been heavily involved in the occult but it was too late for him by then, he was gone.

"and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it [for judgment]." -Ecclesiastes 12:7.


You are right, but It is for those EXACT points that Christians are called close-minded.

I once had a professor call me close-minded when I said that Jesus Christ was the only way to Heaven and this professor had previously confessed to me that he was a Christian.

When people use the term "close-minded" they are generally referring to the exact things that Christians will not waver on.

*Christians* "All mankind has sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." *World* "You are close-minded."

"God created all things and by Him all things exist" - "You are close-minded and ignorant."

"Jesus Christ is the only name upon which mankind can be saved" - "You are close-minded, ignorant, and intolerant."

Church, do not ever let the world convince you that truth is relative, and Stand for the truth of Jesus Christ no matter how many stones are thrown at you. There are things Christians can never compromise on, for if we do, we cease to follow in the footsteps of The One who saved us.
 
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Jda016

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That is exactly the type of response you should have had! I am proud of you (though I be younger).

You did not waver, but stood for the truth. That is the type of attitude and response more Christians need.

However, this is the exact type of "close-mindedness" Christians need when it comes to the Truth of God's word.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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I was 25 years old when it happened. I did one tour in the military after high school so started college later than most.

That is exactly the type of response you should have had! I am proud of you (though I be younger).

You did not waver, but stood for the truth. That is the type of attitude and response more Christians need.

However, this is the exact type of "close-mindedness" Christians need when it comes to the Truth of God's word.