SALVATION ONLY POSSIBLE WITHOUT WORKS!

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Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.


you flunk the test
 
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Hook, line and sinker. Reel them in and then throw 'em in the bin!
 

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the problem with baptists, episcopalians and church of England is they ignore the old testament that Jesus told us to read and study
so they go way off track

but with just the new testament,
disobedience and not following Jesus in his word, will still have you rejecting heaven.

they never taught you the true gospel

the true gospel that MY JESUS TAUGHT
is
REPENT
and TURN YOUR LIFE AROUND

this is ignored.
 
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Only Jesus saves and forgives and you need to turn from sin and obey that is called sanctification
Modern false theology rejects sanctification

Jesus says:

John 8:10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
John 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.


I will follow Jesus and you can get mad and kill me if you like

Revelation says the DEVIL and HIS CHURCH will try and kill all those who keep the commandments

do what you do and do it quickly

Rev 12:17 And the devil was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

anyone who thinks they can kill people and go to heaven will be surprised.
Did Samuel kill Agag?
Did David kill Goliath?
Did David kill Uriah?
Did Joshua and the armies of Israel kill everybody in Jericho except Rahab and family?

DID YOU KILL JESUS BY YOUR SINS?

Like I said, out of context scriptures and bold unfounded statements does not make a (biblical) witness!
 
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repentance and change of live to be obedient to Gods law of the universe in loves,
I'll be brief in reply as it's late night here in Australia hence past my bed time.

Repentance was of dead works of self-righteousness.
Heb 6:1
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

This speaks of exactly what you are preaching. Dead works of self righteousness.
legalists need to repent of their dead works.

For Christians however, our faith is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5.
Hence we do not turn back to the lusts of the flesh seeking to establish righteousness by works of the law ( which is sexual immorality with Hagar).


what is sin?
John 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law,
yes, this is what sin is.

and whatever the law says it says to those UNDER IT, Rom 3:19

Are Christians under the law?
Answer. No! Rom 8:2, Rom 10:4, Gal 3:24, Gal 5:18, 1Tim 1:9.
Hence Satan the accuser, and even the legalists, cannot charge Christians with sin as we're not under the law for righteousness. Our righteousness is by faith, instead.

Rom 8:33
Who shall lay any thing (this includes sin) to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
 

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God gives us his grace
he warns us
we feel lost and we are
we turn to him
we say
Jesus I cant do it!
he says I know
come to me
he gives you his grace
he meets with you and recreates your mind on sabbath
he puts the desire and power to do right in you
and you walk in his strength
and you REPENT
you STOP SINNING
sinning is breaking the law
you stop that
by his grace
I cant do it
but he di=oes it
but if you ARENT walking that way
yo are not born again

you need to find Jesus the true word of God
and be born again

no disobedient person will enter heaven
none

Jesus makes you born again and you enter heaven
 

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What is true repentance?

saying I am sorryJESUS i cant stop sinning
and say
what do I do?
and he says
son, you are in the military...
you are murdering people on the word of evil men
you go and kill women and children and men for no reason but someon told you to
stop it

I forgive you
go and kill no more

that is what Jesus would say
 

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Sea PERCH.........or is it MR. Twisty? Go peddle your heresy on your works for salvation post and if you choose to TWIST the word of God to your own demise then good luck....

So, how many good works will it take today to keep your salvation secure?
Isn't that the same as asking, "How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie roll tootsie pop?"

Not really, No, now that I thought about it:)
 
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1) speaks of works of merit and NOT obedience to God's will
2) speaks of works of merit and NOT obedience to God's will
3) Belief and confession are both works therefore salvation is CONDITIONAL upon these obedient works
4) Paul condemns Galatians for going back & keeping works of the Law of Moses which do not justify
5) doing nothing does not get one "in Christ", that takes obedience is submitting to baptism Gal 3:27
6) Abraham and David both had obedient faiths
7) NT scriptures point to faith for salvation. None point to faith only for salvation.
A work is a work is a work.

Anything you do in which you can BOAST is considered a work by Paul and God.

 

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to the thief, he says
pay back what you stole
more than that
get a job
then take that money you made and give to the poor


and the thief says
ok!
and what does Jesus say?

Luke 19:8 And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord; Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have taken any thing from any man by false accusation, I restore him fourfold.
Luke 19:9 And Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham.


salation does NOT COME when you say LORD LORD I LOVE YOU!
not
it does not
it comes if you repent.
 
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the problem with baptists, episcopalians and church of England is they ignore the old testament that Jesus told us to read and study
so they go way off track

but with just the new testament,
disobedience and not following Jesus in his word, will still have you rejecting heaven.

they never taught you the true gospel

the true gospel that MY JESUS TAUGHT
is
REPENT
and TURN YOUR LIFE AROUND

this is ignored.
Again your ignorance of what a particular denomination teaches is evident......as I thoroughly enjoy the First Testament and teach from it regularly......I supplements the truth of salvation by faith through grace and points entirely to Jesus for total salvation and justification based upon grace, faith and mercy......
 

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This is the false money scheming money grubbing churches who makes salvation easy so their churches make more money and everyone joins

hirelings
false pastors
false teachers
looking for your own interests

get away from anyone not folowing the word of God

Mat 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.




well
false pastors
your reward will be ten times the punishment as the average sinner says the Lord
 
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People do not seem to understand, Even in our judicial system. Which is not perfect by any means., A crime which is commited, and the penalty given by a jury of the criminals peers equals death. It does not matter how GOOD the person is. How many righteous deeds the person does. How many religious ceremonies, Legalistic ritual, or how well he obeys the ten commandments. Or how many times he allows himself to be dunked (baptized)

He still will suffer his just punishment, (death)

No amount of work can releave him of his debt to society which is his life.

It is no different than God. Who has PERFECT justice. and has passed out penalty of death TO ALL WHO HAVE EVER SINNED.

Take your good deeds to God. He will still pass on his judgment to you. they will not help you.
 

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Paul was teaching not boasting
You need to read the Bible
 

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What is your repsonse to Jesus telling YOU to get out of the military?
 
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Isn't that the same as asking, "How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie roll tootsie pop?"

Not really, No, now that I thought about it:)
HAHHAHAHHA yes I suppose it does......HOW many works does it take to make heaven...1, 20, 300,000....oops I wonder how many will be one short------>that being FAITH!
 

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The rich young ruler said LORD LORD I will follow you!

and Jesus told him what to do
and he did not recieve salvation because he did not obey

Jesus is telling you what to do.
 
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Paul was teaching not boasting
You need to read the Bible
of course he was not boasting.

If ANYONE had a reason to boast it would be Paull. He obayed Gods laws and commands better than anyone, He played religion and did more work than anyone.

He understood these works were DUNG when it came to his forgiveness of sin. As is ALL works..