Walk of faith ...not for the self-righteous

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Those preaching law righteousness get to escape the hardships and persecution of those whose walk is by faith thru grace.

But I, brethren, if I still preach circumcision, why am I still persecuted? then hath the stumbling-block of the cross been done away. I would that they that unsettle you would even go beyond circumcision. For ye, brethren, were called for freedom; only use not your freedom for an occasion to the flesh, but through love be servants one to another.
(Gal 5:11-13)

As many as desire to make a fair show in the flesh, they compel you to be circumcised; only that they may not be persecuted for the cross of Christ.
(Gal 6:12)

Are they servants of Christ? I am a better one—I am talking like a madman—with far greater labors, far more imprisonments, with countless beatings, and often near death. Five times I received at the hands of the Jews the forty lashes less one. Three times I was beaten with rods. Once I was stoned. Three times I was shipwrecked; a night and a day I was adrift at sea; on frequent journeys, in danger from rivers, danger from robbers, danger from my own people, danger from Gentiles, danger in the city, danger in the wilderness, danger at sea, danger from false brothers; in toil and hardship, through many a sleepless night, in hunger and thirst, often without food, in cold and exposure. And, apart from other things, there is the daily pressure on me of my anxiety for all the churches. Who is weak, and I am not weak? Who is made to fall, and I am not indignant? If I must boast, I will boast of the things that show my weakness.
(2Co 11:23-30)

See also Hebrews chap 11
 
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a very good Post, you've woven these scriptures together
in such a way that the point is taken very easily.

putting the Cor. and Heb. scriptures together,
these are such good examples for encouragement and for strength.

on a personal note, when we think things are not going our way,
or the times are tuff, often our Lord leads us to read the statement
by Paul about his beatings and many sufferings which he endured so
willingly.
then, a light bulb goes off!, we ain't got it so bad, after all!!

this is also great if we slip into 'whiny' mode.:rolleyes:

so, how could we not LOVE Paul, Abraham, and Sarah, Isaiah, Moses, Samuel,
the Apostles and Prophets, and all those that have had their blood shed
for the Testimony of Jesus Christ our Lord?

Thanks
 
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Crossnote what is this what they SHOULD NOT DO... Use NOT their freedom FOR AN OCCASION TO THE FLESH? Can you tell me what these people do when they do use their freedom for AN OCCASION TO THE FLESH? What would they concider to be AN OCCASION TO THE FLESH?

For ye, brethren, were called for freedom; only use not your freedom for an occasion to the flesh, but through love be servants one to another.

If it is sin it is TRANSGRESSING THE LAW, for sin IS TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW.

This is what I do NOT understand about Christianity taught by a sinner like you and many others. Remember I do not see myself worthy to be even considered a Christian. They teach you that you should not sin (but they stii do) and then thay say, Never mind you will always sin, but Jesus died for your sin, so you OK. Then they say... you are called to freedom, but use not your freedom for an occasion to the flesh, but the flesh is weak so it will ALWAY use the freedom for an accasion to the flesh.


Be holy but just know no one is holy. Be perfect but temember you cannot be perfect in flesh. And place you trust in God's grace and you wil lbe Ok. But remember you cannot do sin as you like, but the grace will cover it anyway! Oh i give you not permission to sin, but we are only human, we will sin until we die.


Man this confuse so many people... I only ask one thing. Does God save a person to be what God COMMAND him to be? Yes or no! If God commands more than what HE knows then people can obtain, Then God is a creepy person that I want NOTHING to do with. We been around this block enough now. Tell me can your Jesus KEEP His word? Will He EVER utter the nonsence these Christians utter? Like we should not sin, or should not continue to sin, but we cannot EVER stop. And the next moment they would say something STUPID like...In God's eyes we are all perfect. WOW!

I am not even God that can see your heart but I do witness how you CHEAT THE TAXMAN. And I do withness how you DO NOT PAY YOUR ACCOUNT to MY BUISINESS... You tellm e you are perfect in God's eyes but you owe me R600. And then you say on TV you are the head elder of the church. You drive a NEW 4X4 and own a NEW caravan, and your OWN home. Yet you owe me money. I am poor andsuffer to make ends meet with old car and no caravan and no property on my name. And you are Christian and I am satan. I cannot afford to take my son fishing 30 miles away, but you go overseas with your TWO boys, and you owe me money. And Sunday you sit in church and say... Praise Jesus He is my Lord, I am saved by His blood. Then you throw R500 in the collection sack, and I barely have food at home, but you are Chrisitan and I am satan.

I just do not understand how God's children has a licence to do what they want and me, ishould become Christian like them? I owe no man a penny, and still get by, even though the Christians owe me the money. Without flashy cars, churches, homes, holidays, caravans, friends, parties, new leases and vehicles, fancy clothes... etc etc. But you OWE ME money and you are going to heaven and I am going to hell becasue I believe NOT your Jesus. Well I DO NOT!


If Jesus takes ONE of these Chrisitans to heaven I do not want to go. I had enough of their CRAP here on earth. They talk Jesus but live sin. The claim heaven but cause hell. They shine on Sunday and STEAL on Monday. They live large with LOTS of money, but they owe ALL THE HEATHENS LIKE ME MONEY. Nope they can have heaven, I will rather go to hell.

Man do I dislike hypocrates that TWIST the word of God to JUSTIFY their wrongdoings. I really am so disgusted in Chrsitians, I really do not want to be one if that is how Chrisitans live. I know a man that read his KJV and then he owes so many people so much money, and I did repremand him the other day. I told him. I read the Bible, and I LOVE the Word of God, but your lifestyle is NOT one of a Christian in the Bible. It is more satan than ANY man in the Bible. I know I judge you now, but you make me SICK. Do NOT tell me you read the Bible. If you DO the Bible come back. If you do not make a fire and burn the book, it is of NO USE for you then.


Oh peopel is so quick to say I judge them, and I do. I judge them with the WORD OF GOD! And so do I judge myself too. So I already judge with ONE MEASURNG STICK... JESUS is the measure. If I am less than Jesus, and I tell you I am. Do NOT pretend to be holier than thou....I will nail your hypocracy. I do NOT preach law, or grace and faith. I preach God at work and HIS FINISHED product. People raped grace and faith to a excuse to justify sin. God's faith and love IS TO KEEP THE LAW. how is a thing you do not uderstand, becasue you believe not that it is GOD HIMSELF that lives in you that KEEP THE LAW. You do not believe in PERFECTION. but that is EXACTLY what God does IN US. God is the PERFECTOR in ALL FLESH.

God HIMSELF comes into us to live a PERFECT life IN US HERE ON EARTH. And it is through REPENTANCE on your part (also a gift of God) and the FILLING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT at the END of repentance, that GOD LIVES IN US. PERFECTLY.

Grace and faith only produce ONE PRODUCT.... CHRSIT JESUS N FLESH. Born of GOD! Every person that God took thru grace with faith is a FULL MEASURE OF CHRSIT JESUS HIMELF... the measure of JUDGEMENT God judges with. 1 John says we do not know what we will be like, but we know that if He comes we will be like him... And that God did here on earth.

God makes us LIKE HIM here on earth! Now what is Jesus LIKE? Is he perfect...Yes... Is He absolutely holy... YES! Well that is what God does here on earth to all people he saves... RIGHT HERE N EARTH...
 

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Cobus, I guess bearing witness puts you in the steamer.
 

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on a personal note, when we think things are not going our way,
or the times are tuff, often our Lord leads us to read the statement
by Paul about his beatings and many sufferings which he endured so
willingly.
then, a light bulb goes off!, we ain't got it so bad, after all!!

this is also great if we slip into 'whiny' mode.:rolleyes:


Thanks
I tried that passage on my wife...ONCE...never again:p
 
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The problem to solve is what scripture to believe? Often, Christians say one truth knocks out another truth.

If we were in a beginning math class, we would learn that 2 + 2 = 4. It is like knowing that law does not lead to salvation.

Next we learn that 3 + 1 = 4. That is also true, although many say if the first is true, it is plainly clear that the next is not true, so they can't learn math. It is like Christians learning that "Mat_7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Both are true.
 

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The problem to solve is what scripture to believe? Often, Christians say one truth knocks out another truth.

If we were in a beginning math class, we would learn that 2 + 2 = 4. It is like knowing that law does not lead to salvation.

Next we learn that 3 + 1 = 4. That is also true, although many say if the first is true, it is plainly clear that the next is not true, so they can't learn math. It is like Christians learning that "Mat_7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Both are true.
I don't understand how this has anything to do with the OP.
Are you saying preaching law-righteousness is equal to what Paul exemplified through his faith as shown in 2Cor 11:23-30?
 
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I don't understand how this has anything to do with the OP.
Are you saying preaching law-righteousness is equal to what Paul exemplified through his faith as shown in 2Cor 11:23-30?
Both something to learn. Are you saying we aren't to learn a scripture verse?
 
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Wow Cobus, thanks for real, on something you said, not all. until a few years ago i wouldn't claim to be a Christian, didn't feel i was worthy of such a label as a Christ like being, so i just labeled me as a believer. Well right now i really can't say i'm Christian, i want to be believe me. So for now i'll just keep believing, and wanting to be like Jesus, but until then i'm just a believer.
 

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Both something to learn. Are you saying we aren't to learn a scripture verse?
Yes, we are to learn all of Scripture but also to discern which Scripture pertains to 'who', for 'when', for 'what purpose' etc.
Try to stay on topic.
 
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Yes, we are to learn all of Scripture but also to discern which Scripture pertains to 'who', for 'when', for 'what purpose' etc.
Try to stay on topic.
Is your advice to discern scripture having to do with walking in faith on topic?
 

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Is your advice to discern scripture having to do with walking in faith on topic?
My advice to discern Scripture was a polite reply to your question (albeit off topic) in post #9.
 
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My entire ministry is devoted to getting Christians to accept scripture, all scripture as from God. The entire ministry of most of cc is devoted to saying Paul and Christ so changed God, we are to discern which scriptures we may disregard. My ministry says that God wants us to learn even from scripture that Christ replaced, their ministry is to say that ---you have all read what they say about scripture that Christ replaced!!! All Jews but Christ are condemned to hell, as if ccers are God. And a lot of scripture that was not replaced, but gives attributes of God we are told to not learn from. It is as if they are fighting Christ, they are taking all of the characteristics of the Pharisees in their fight, and they not only fight God, but I am often told I am going to hell because I stand up for the word of God.

This post is a cover up for their preaching.
 

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My entire ministry is devoted to getting Christians to accept scripture, all scripture as from God. The entire ministry of most of cc is devoted to saying Paul and Christ so changed God, we are to discern which scriptures we may disregard. My ministry says that God wants us to learn even from scripture that Christ replaced, their ministry is to say that ---you have all read what they say about scripture that Christ replaced!!! All Jews but Christ are condemned to hell, as if ccers are God. And a lot of scripture that was not replaced, but gives attributes of God we are told to not learn from. It is as if they are fighting Christ, they are taking all of the characteristics of the Pharisees in their fight, and they not only fight God, but I am often told I am going to hell because I stand up for the word of God.

This post is a cover up for their preaching.
We can learn from all scripture but not all scripture applies to us gentiles. No cover up.
 
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We can learn from all scripture but not all scripture applies to us gentiles. No cover up.
That is what the demons say, that God does not speak to all, but divides his creation. Scripture doesn't say that.
 

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That is what the demons say, that God does not speak to all, but divides his creation. Scripture doesn't say that.
I said not all Scripture applies to us Gentiles. I did not say "God does not speak to all.
May the Lord forgive you for the 'demon' comment, I have nothing more to say to you.
 
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I said not all Scripture applies to us Gentiles. I did not say "God does not speak to all.
May the Lord forgive you for the 'demon' comment, I have nothing more to say to you.
I hope you have something more to say to God.
 

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Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law? For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia; she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. For it is written, "Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear; break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor! For the children of the desolate one will be more than those of the one who has a husband." Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. But what does the Scripture say? "Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman." So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.
(Gal 4:21-31)

We are children of promise...not the law.