Am I subject to hell?

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JoyfulFleur

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I've been reading Revelation and stumbled across this little gem, that immediately caught my eye.

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." - Revelation 21:8

Notice the world fearful.

I lack self-confidence and can be easily intimidated. Any task or action that I do, I always second guess myself and am tormented with the thought,"Am I doing this right? Can I even accomplish it? Was that a good idea?" and so forth. I am petrified with the idea of failing or goofing up a task that I am given. I have no idea why I feel this way either. I'm ashamed that I know a powerful and strong God, but only focus on my weaknesses.

Do I fall in the category of fearful? I really am trying to cure, with God's help,this tormenting issue of mine but it's a battle! I don't want to go to hell

See, I fret a lot. Now I'm concerned if I'll go to hell
 
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I've been reading Revelation and stumbled across this little gem, that immediately caught my eye.

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." - Revelation 21:8

Notice the world fearful.

I lack self-confidence and can be easily intimidated. Any task or action that I do, I always second guess myself and am tormented with the thought,"Am I doing this right? Can I even accomplish it? Was that a good idea?" and so forth. I am petrified with the idea of failing or goofing up a task that I am given. I have no idea why I feel this way either. I'm ashamed that I know a powerful and strong God, but only focus on my weaknesses.

Do I fall in the category of fearful? I really am trying to cure, with God's help,this tormenting issue of mine but it's a battle! I don't want to go to hell

See, I fret a lot. Now I'm concerned if I'll go to hell
But faith and confidence are linked. Read also the words of the Lord Jesus in John 14.1-6 and John 14.27. You'll see that they are really encouraging.
 
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I don't think that's the kind of fear to which that passage is referring.
 

JoyfulFleur

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But faith and confidence are linked. Read also the words of the Lord Jesus in John 14.1-6 and John 14.27. You'll see that they are really encouraging.
Thank you! :) Applying verses of strength and courage is something I must do a lot. Even though I do get concerned over little things, I still do not consider myself fearful as some would. I will swim in the ocean, stand outside during storms, ride horses, etc.. but still, God probably shakes His head at me. Even though I have said the sinner's prayer and try to live my life according to God's word, is this issue damning me to hell though?
 
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Thank you! :) Applying verses of strength and courage is something I must do a lot. Even though I do get concerned over little things, I still do not consider myself fearful as some would. I will swim in the ocean, stand outside during storms, ride horses, etc.. but still, God probably shakes His head at me. Even though I have said the sinner's prayer and try to live my life according to God's word, is this issue damning me to hell though?
YW. The key is faith. Hebrews 11 says is all, especially verse 6.
 

crossnote

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I've been reading Revelation and stumbled across this little gem, that immediately caught my eye.

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." - Revelation 21:8

Notice the world fearful.

I lack self-confidence and can be easily intimidated. Any task or action that I do, I always second guess myself and am tormented with the thought,"Am I doing this right? Can I even accomplish it? Was that a good idea?" and so forth. I am petrified with the idea of failing or goofing up a task that I am given. I have no idea why I feel this way either. I'm ashamed that I know a powerful and strong God, but only focus on my weaknesses.

Do I fall in the category of fearful? I really am trying to cure, with God's help,this tormenting issue of mine but it's a battle! I don't want to go to hell

See, I fret a lot. Now I'm concerned if I'll go to hell
As a child of His you fall into the area of 'No Condemnation'..

Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
(Joh 5:24)

Who shall bring any charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies. Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.
(Rom 8:33-34)
 

JoyfulFleur

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As a child of His you fall into the area of 'No Condemnation'..

Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
(Joh 5:24)

Who shall bring any charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies. Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.
(Rom 8:33-34)
Thank you, crossnote, for the reassuring verses! :)
 

ChosenbyHim

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I've been reading Revelation and stumbled across this little gem, that immediately caught my eye.

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." - Revelation 21:8

Notice the world fearful.

I lack self-confidence and can be easily intimidated. Any task or action that I do, I always second guess myself and am tormented with the thought,"Am I doing this right? Can I even accomplish it? Was that a good idea?" and so forth. I am petrified with the idea of failing or goofing up a task that I am given. I have no idea why I feel this way either. I'm ashamed that I know a powerful and strong God, but only focus on my weaknesses.

Do I fall in the category of fearful? I really am trying to cure, with God's help,this tormenting issue of mine but it's a battle! I don't want to go to hell

See, I fret a lot. Now I'm concerned if I'll go to hell

Hi there Joyfulfleur,

first off, If you have already trusted the Lord Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Saviour, then you are not a candidate for God's wrath. If you already received the Lord Jesus Christ, then you are eternally saved. You can't lose your salvation.

And regarding the word (fearful) which you bolded in your quote of Revelation 21:8; I believe the context is referring to those who let fear get in the way of them receiving Christ as their personal Lord and Saviour.

Now you may ask or may be thinking how did they let fear get in the way of them getting saved?

It's acutally very simple. Believe it or not, there are people out there who care so much about what their family and friends think of them, and even their co-workers, that they are afraid if they receive Christ as their Saviour, they fear the ridicule that it might bring.

I am sure there are lost people out there who still have not gotten saved because they were afraid that their family would disown them or something of that nature.

The Bible says that the fear of man bringeth a snare (Prov. 29:25).

And if someone goes all through their life having heard the Gospel many of times, therefore having chance after chance to get saved, and this person does not take it after all those chances because he was and still is afraid of what people will think, then his fear of people will be a factor in his Damnation in the Lake of Fire.

Therefore, the fear of man will be one of the main reasons of why he did not receive the Lord Jesus Christ.

As a result, this fear that he had will ensnare his soul to eternal damnation.

Wel Joyfleur, I hope my response helped you. Blessings,
 
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ji

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I've been reading Revelation and stumbled across this little gem, that immediately caught my eye.

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." - Revelation 21:8

Notice the world fearful.

I lack self-confidence and can be easily intimidated. Any task or action that I do, I always second guess myself and am tormented with the thought,"Am I doing this right? Can I even accomplish it? Was that a good idea?" and so forth. I am petrified with the idea of failing or goofing up a task that I am given. I have no idea why I feel this way either. I'm ashamed that I know a powerful and strong God, but only focus on my weaknesses.

Do I fall in the category of fearful? I really am trying to cure, with God's help,this tormenting issue of mine but it's a battle! I don't want to go to hell

See, I fret a lot. Now I'm concerned if I'll go to hell
When you become afraid run to God in your own Heart,He will give you courage like an unshaken rock!
Ask and you will receive..(this command in Love was given by Jesus for this kind of situations).
- based on my own experience.

Gideon was afraid at first,David became afraid,Peter was,Paul was ...we all are,That's why we need God.

Don't be afraid,
picture yourself hiding in God instead of the horse ;)

God Bless.
 
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I've been reading Revelation and stumbled across this little gem, that immediately caught my eye.

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." - Revelation 21:8

Notice the world fearful.

I lack self-confidence and can be easily intimidated. Any task or action that I do, I always second guess myself and am tormented with the thought,"Am I doing this right? Can I even accomplish it? Was that a good idea?" and so forth. I am petrified with the idea of failing or goofing up a task that I am given. I have no idea why I feel this way either. I'm ashamed that I know a powerful and strong God, but only focus on my weaknesses.

Do I fall in the category of fearful? I really am trying to cure, with God's help,this tormenting issue of mine but it's a battle! I don't want to go to hell

See, I fret a lot. Now I'm concerned if I'll go to hell
NO, you are not the type person John was thinking about. We have all experienced these type feelings from time to time . It's quite normal but something you probably did need to work on especially since you have no basis for feeling inferior.
 
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ji

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Where we are no more condemned we will see ourselves in the Passion to be with God more,sin lesser and lesser by His Grace,Because Jesus will make us literally sin lesser and lesser when we move closer and closer to Jesus.
sin looses its hold as we move closer to Jesus.
self condemnation is a great block that we need to get rid of,so God can wash us clean and make us walk a Higher path,a path where we become more like Him...
Its not easy,...but its Possible with Jesus.we desire for that and God makes it happen,..when people look at us they might not be able to notice it sometimes,but gradually we change.If we look at our lives before getting saved and now,we can see the Huge difference and the Higher level in which we are now.Godly humility will reflect in us more and more.:)..so we will not boast in our own holiness and sinless life,but encourage others to walk in Godliness and boast about God who Saved us.This is Christianity.:)
Christians Pray for each other, and correct others through Godly compassion:)Fear looses its Hold when God's Love fill us.
 
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ji

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NO, you are not the type person John was thinking about. We have all experienced these type feelings from time to time . It's quite normal but something you probably did need to work on especially since you have no basis for feeling inferior.
Just saying,if we have the attitude that is shown in your profile pic towards devil and worldly pleasures that God forbids,...lol,that's enough :D
i like that pic of yours,sometimes its needed to show the devil who tries to sneak in and condemn us...yes,show that teeth and rage to him..
 
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Just saying,if we have the attitude that is shown in your profile pic towards devil and worldly pleasures that God forbids,...lol,that's enough :D
i like that pic of yours,sometimes its needed to show the devil who tries to sneak in and condemn us...yes,show that teeth and rage to him..
unfortunately, my bark is worse than my bite, but don't tell him, OK?
 
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ji

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unfortunately, my bark is worse than my bite, but don't tell him, OK?
tell who..?what?...never mind..
i get it...don't take it on me,was saying something +ve.
:)
 
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TashMeyer76

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The word fear in this instance is Deilois (Greek) meaning "A person who shows fear in a shameful way, or lack of faith" You could consider Cowardly as a replacement word. To use an example of such a sin/act recorded in the the Gospels where the story of the 5 foolish and 5 wise virgins >>> Matt 25:1-12

1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

The fact that you don't finish tasks, or lack self-confidence is something that can be worked on. So you're good, you're not subject to hell.


I've been reading Revelation and stumbled across this little gem, that immediately caught my eye.

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." - Revelation 21:8

Notice the world fearful.

I lack self-confidence and can be easily intimidated. Any task or action that I do, I always second guess myself and am tormented with the thought,"Am I doing this right? Can I even accomplish it? Was that a good idea?" and so forth. I am petrified with the idea of failing or goofing up a task that I am given. I have no idea why I feel this way either. I'm ashamed that I know a powerful and strong God, but only focus on my weaknesses.

Do I fall in the category of fearful? I really am trying to cure, with God's help,this tormenting issue of mine but it's a battle! I don't want to go to hell

See, I fret a lot. Now I'm concerned if I'll go to hell
 
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Jda016

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Hi there Joyfulfleur,

first off, If you have already trusted the Lord Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Saviour, then you are not a candidate for God's wrath. If you already received the Lord Jesus Christ, then you are eternally saved. You can't lose your salvation.

And regarding the word (fearful) which you bolded in your quote of Revelation 21:8; I believe the context is referring to those who let fear get in the way of them receiving Christ as their personal Lord and Saviour.

Now you may ask or may be thinking how did they let fear get in the way of them getting saved?

It's acutally very simple. Believe it or not, there are people out there who care so much about what their family and friends think of them, and even their co-workers, that they are afraid if they receive Christ as their Saviour, they fear the ridicule that it might bring.

I am sure there are lost people out there who still have not gotten saved because they were afraid that their family would disown them or something of that nature.

The Bible says that the fear of man bringeth a snare (Prov. 29:25).

And if someone goes all through their life having heard the Gospel many of times, therefore having chance after chance to get saved, and this person does not take it after all those chances because he was and still is afraid of what people will think, then his fear of people will be a factor in his Damnation in the Lake of Fire.

Therefore, the fear of man will be one of the main reasons of why he did not receive the Lord Jesus Christ.

As a result, this fear that he had will ensnare his soul to eternal damnation.

Wel Joyfleur, I hope my response helped you. Blessings,
I agree.

I would also add there was alot of fear of persecution and even death for which people refused to follow Christ for. During this time the Romans were killing Christians simply because they believed in Christ.

I think the fear John talks about it, is this. It kept them from ever actually following Christ or believing upon him for salvation. This type of fear brought about permanent doubt and unbelief which kept them from ever being saved in the first place.
 

JoyfulFleur

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Hi there Joyfulfleur,

first off, If you have already trusted the Lord Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Saviour, then you are not a candidate for God's wrath. If you already received the Lord Jesus Christ, then you are eternally saved. You can't lose your salvation.

And regarding the word (fearful) which you bolded in your quote of Revelation 21:8; I believe the context is referring to those who let fear get in the way of them receiving Christ as their personal Lord and Saviour.

Now you may ask or may be thinking how did they let fear get in the way of them getting saved?

It's acutally very simple. Believe it or not, there are people out there who care so much about what their family and friends think of them, and even their co-workers, that they are afraid if they receive Christ as their Saviour, they fear the ridicule that it might bring.

I am sure there are lost people out there who still have not gotten saved because they were afraid that their family would disown them or something of that nature.

The Bible says that the fear of man bringeth a snare (Prov. 29:25).

And if someone goes all through their life having heard the Gospel many of times, therefore having chance after chance to get saved, and this person does not take it after all those chances because he was and still is afraid of what people will think, then his fear of people will be a factor in his Damnation in the Lake of Fire.

Therefore, the fear of man will be one of the main reasons of why he did not receive the Lord Jesus Christ.

As a result, this fear that he had will ensnare his soul to eternal damnation.

Wel Joyfleur, I hope my response helped you. Blessings,
Your response was quite helpful and made a lot of sense. Thank you! I appreciate this so much
When you become afraid run to God in your own Heart,He will give you courage like an unshaken rock!
Ask and you will receive..(this command in Love was given by Jesus for this kind of situations).
- based on my own experience.

Gideon was afraid at first,David became afraid,Peter was,Paul was ...we all are,That's why we need God.

Don't be afraid,
picture yourself hiding in God instead of the horse ;)

God Bless.
Great response! I know I will overcome this. I'm done bowing down to my doubts.

Haha, of course! :) I'll remember that from now on to picture myself hiding in God




NO, you are not the type person John was thinking about. We have all experienced these type feelings from time to time . It's quite normal but something you probably did need to work on especially since you have no basis for feeling inferior.
Thank you!
The word fear in this instance is Deilois (Greek) meaning "A person who shows fear in a shameful way, or lack of faith" You could consider Cowardly as a replacement word. To use an example of such a sin/act recorded in the the Gospels where the story of the 5 foolish and 5 wise virgins >>> Matt 25:1-12

1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

The fact that you don't finish tasks, or lack self-confidence is something that can be worked on. So you're good, you're not subject to hell.
Thank you so much. This was helpful indeed :)

I agree.

I would also add there was alot of fear of persecution and even death for which people refused to follow Christ for. During this time the Romans were killing Christians simply because they believed in Christ.

I think the fear John talks about it, is this. It kept them from ever actually following Christ or believing upon him for salvation. This type of fear brought about permanent doubt and unbelief which kept them from ever being saved in the first place.
This made lots of sense as well. I thought the word unbelieving would have covered that, but I guess everyone on this thread proved otherwise. Thank you for your response
 
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Your response was quite helpful and made a lot of sense. Thank you! I appreciate this so much

Great response! I know I will overcome this. I'm done bowing down to my doubts.

Haha, of course! :) I'll remember that from now on to picture myself hiding in God





Thank you!

Thank you so much. This was helpful indeed :)



This made lots of sense as well. I thought the word unbelieving would have covered that, but I guess everyone on this thread proved otherwise. Thank you for your response
Don't let people deceive you by trying to redefine fear to make your "type" of fear okay, or try to explain it away to make the emotions and personality struggle your going though, okay. Fear is not an unforgivable sin. Fear, anxiety, dread, worry, doubt are all sins. You can overcome them by faith. If you have done everything you know how to do to put a stop to these things, then its time to cast the demons out by name. Like for example, fear is a demon. Its often a strong man in many cases. Also fretting is is a demonic spirit. Take yourself through deliverance for these things. Have you obeyed the three things In John 3 and acts 2?
 

JoyfulFleur

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Don't let people deceive you by trying to redefine fear to make your "type" of fear okay, or try to explain it away to make the emotions and personality struggle your going though, okay. Fear is not an unforgivable sin. Fear, anxiety, dread, worry, doubt are all sins. You can overcome them by faith. If you have done everything you know how to do to put a stop to these things, then its time to cast the demons out by name. Like for example, fear is a demon. Its often a strong man in many cases. Also fretting is is a demonic spirit. Take yourself through deliverance for these things. Have you obeyed the three things In John 3 and acts 2?
I know that what I am dealing with is not okay. I'm not trying to excuse it as an acceptable way to be either. God did not give me a spirit of fear, but of power, love, and a sound mind. Faith is what I lack and I know that now.