Understand clearly why we are no longer under the law

Woodartdon · Apr 15, 2014

Soon after the disciples received the Spirit they began decreeing what felt good to their hearts, something we can observe as they try to persuade Paul to hold the gentiles to the Jewish customs of the time. They argued not over the understanding of the Words of Yeshua but over the logistics of the Torah, placing the Law before the Grace sealed by the sacrifice of the Lamb. They bickered over the Law of the Jews becoming the law of the converted gentile.

Acts 15:5 Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, "The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to obey the law of Moses." NIV

Gal 2:19 For through the Law I died to the Law , so that I might live to God. NASU

Matt 5:17-20 "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. "For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. "Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. "For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven. NASU

Understand clearly why we are no longer under the law: we are not under the law for as followers of our Lord, we must surpass the law in the very infancy of our relationship with Him. The Law holds an unchanged heart to a standard considered acceptable by those in authority. To believe in God is to be changed at heart and that places standards high above the law. At that point to violate the law would be to violate one’s own self. For what surpasses the Law is "Love" and if you are practicing "Love" as our Lord practiced "Love" , breaking the law would be anything but "Love”.

Woodartdon · Apr 17, 2014

wow no comments of hate, no agreeing likes, yet do you understand?

RedTent · Apr 17, 2014

Woody, I WISH you could understand how and why you are correct in everything you say, but some of it still damages the church, the place where God lives. You need not change what you know, you need only add something to it that you aren't thinking of.

Our churches have been a stronghold for the Lord, places that lead the world. Many are now watered down with accepting sin. There are even churches that accept immoral ministers to lead them. These people do not know the way God tells us we are not under law for our salvation. When they hear that, they read it as saying we don't have any need to obey law. I have even read postings by these people that God did not mean anything written as law as scripture.

It is wonderful to hear about love as the base of all law, of law useless except when it is from the heart, of how superior the law is as Christ gives it to us. Of how we are free of sin if we only put on Christ and listen to that. The many wonderful things we can teach.

But, we are guardians of scripture and the church. We must be careful to protect all of God. We are not to let the good things we know and teach be read as only something to wipe out the foundations of what is so good. With the foundation of truth wiped out, the new truth can't stand.

It is wonderful to teach the new, but if that is a teaching of wiping out what was before so the new has nothing to build on, then the new can't be truth, it only crumbles. It is a balance. It is like teaching the old as what we must hear only, now. The complete truth is of the new.

I really despair of anyone hearing me! When this is read back, they say I personally am going to hell. That I am teaching to go back to before Christ. All sorts of ways not to hear what I say! You will see the ways this post will be ripped apart and changed so it isn't of truth or scripture. But I keep trying.

john832 · Apr 17, 2014

Woodartdon said:

Perhaps in the resurrection, you can explain this wonderful truth to Paul...

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Or else he just hasn't attained your level of righteousness.

damombomb · Apr 17, 2014

RedTent said:

Woody, I WISH you could understand how and why you are correct in everything you say, but some of it still damages the church, the place where God lives. You need not change what you know, you need only add something to it that you aren't thinking of.

Our churches have been a stronghold for the Lord, places that lead the world. Many are now watered down with accepting sin. There are even churches that accept immoral ministers to lead them. These people do not know the way God tells us we are not under law for our salvation. When they hear that, they read it as saying we don't have any need to obey law. I have even read postings by these people that God did not mean anything written as law as scripture.

It is wonderful to hear about love as the base of all law, of law useless except when it is from the heart, of how superior the law is as Christ gives it to us. Of how we are free of sin if we only put on Christ and listen to that. The many wonderful things we can teach.

But, we are guardians of scripture and the church. We must be careful to protect all of God. We are not to let the good things we know and teach be read as only something to wipe out the foundations of what is so good. With the foundation of truth wiped out, the new truth can't stand.

It is wonderful to teach the new, but if that is a teaching of wiping out what was before so the new has nothing to build on, then the new can't be truth, it only crumbles. It is a balance. It is like teaching the old as what we must hear only, now. The complete truth is of the new.

I really despair of anyone hearing me! When this is read back, they say I personally am going to hell. That I am teaching to go back to before Christ. All sorts of ways not to hear what I say! You will see the ways this post will be ripped apart and changed so it isn't of truth or scripture. But I keep trying.

I have been saved by grace, but trust me, my pastor preaches the truth about sin. However he also preaches grace, the
saving kind.He does not just preach every time sin, sin, law, law, law. He preaches Jesus Christ and him crucified to the
unbeliever. How else could anyone know about grace, when all that is preached law sister? Where the spirit of the Lord is
there is liberty

And · Apr 17, 2014

This is false doctrine of the Nicolatians that God hates

From Genesis to Revelation God intends us to obey his word
by faith
we have no righteousness, (right doing)
Jesus is our righteousness our right doing

his new covenant is his holy spirit writing the ten commandment law in our hearts so we will not sin
so we will be obedient

And · Apr 17, 2014

The smooth wide road you are on will dtake you to destruction

And · Apr 17, 2014

1 Cor 9:21 To them that are without law, as without law,
(being not without law to God,
but under the law to Christ,)
that I might gain them that are without law.

NOT without the law but UNDER the law

when you pay the speeding ticket you are no longer UNDER ARREST
but the speeding law still stands

your misperception of this verse ignores all 66 Books of the Bible that clearly says

sin is the transgression of the law
go and sin no more

that means live by grace keeping Jesus commandments and obedient in joy

the majority will ignore this and die

the minority, a remnant
will at the very last be ATTACKED by the world massive babylon church and they will try and kill those who have faith

Faith is OBEDIENCE to the LAW of God by grace

that is what faith is.
abraham had it noah had it Daniel had it Moses had it and JEsus had it

it is the faith of Jesus
Obedience to Gods law

And · Apr 17, 2014

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

that is the very last true people

they keep the commandments
they are not UNDER arrest because they keep the law
you are UNDER the law when you BREAK it
under arrest
your misinterpretation of this one verse will kill billions

it is absolutly clear that thos who teach the law is of none effect are satans bishops and will take the majority to death eternally

And · Apr 17, 2014

Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least ten commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

And · Apr 17, 2014

Mat 19:17 there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Jesus said that

I will ignore you and I will follow JEsus
JEsus died for me
so that he could give me his holy spirit to change me to be like him
llving truthful faithful obedient honest true pure and all the things we need to CHANGE

the broad free road to hevaven does not exist
it is a lie

many will die there.

Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

ravening wolf thread

How dare a parent tell the child
there are no more rules I paid for all your damage, repaired the plate glass windoe, repainted the house after your paint balloons and rebuild the bar after you set it afire
so keep on doing what uyou want I have lots of money

those who praech we are not under tha law are right

we are no longer under arrest because we keep the law every one of them

if you dont
you
will
perish.

And · Apr 17, 2014

try a different translation or look it u[p being under the law means not there is not law

Paul said so

Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Gal 5:7 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?

Gal 5:7 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?

Gal 5:7 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?

RedTent · Apr 17, 2014

damombomb said:

I think with balance, for the spirit of the Lord is all about balance. All law is out of balance. All grace---well, grace comes first but still there has to be balance. It is hard to be in the Lord's balance, but while all law is out of balance completely, no law is also out of balance. Our churches are out of balance.

And · Apr 17, 2014

Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

that means repent

that means change lifestyle

that means keep the commandments

Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

it says there is no law against the good things

there is a law against the bad things

How does PAul END THE BOOK OF ROMANS?

Rom 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
Rom 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandments of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

the commandments are still there

if you break them and live in sin you will perish
any pastors teaching you dont need to keep them cause we are good now, will pay for all the sins of all the souls that depended on him

you know in the last days when JEsus comes and says this:

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity, break the commandments and are disobedient to my word....

And · Apr 17, 2014

Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

Mat 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

Mat 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
Mat 7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

And · Apr 17, 2014

My Bible preaches
Obedience
Fidelity to Gods word and his law
The Covenant which is remaining faithful to the law of God and he will give you his spirit to do it

Hearing and doing
and giving up sinning
changing life
pray and faith

faith is hearing and doing the word of God

the law is not Binding is a doctrine from the devil

The_highwayman · Apr 17, 2014

And said:

why do you keep only 10? should you not keep all 613?

jakester8194 · Apr 17, 2014

Hey and! I get what your saying bud and feel you right we should follow the law but let me build a quick simple bridge here Jesus also said if you LOVE me you will keep my commandments. We do still need to obey the law but if we simply love Christ and have a spiritual relationship with him we will obey him. No need to go overboard with fire and brimstone

RedTent · Apr 17, 2014

The_highwayman said:

All people of God do keep the spirit of the 613. All are based on love and how to live in love. Some we keep through Christ, for instance Christ is the temple now, we keep the spirit of those laws through Christ. They had no jails or prisons then, we use jails when a law is deemed that important. We are told not to be obedient by the letter of the law, but we are to obey by the spirit, and we are given the Holy Spirit now to help us do that.

The_highwayman · Apr 17, 2014

And said:

My Bible teaches that the Mosaic Covenant was Between only God & Israel and the Law went away when Christ died.

Romans 7.5-6
Romans 10.4

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