Something that caused me to wonder.....

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There have been several posts about adam and eve, many saying eve was deceived and adam disobeyed God ect....
I never thought alot about it much, as sin was sin, and it began with them, and praise God! ended with Jesus's sacrifice.

But the other night, as I was reading the bible, this thought came to mind and I wonder what your thoughts might be on this.
So lets say eve was decieved when she ate the forbidden fruit, and yes adam knew and disobeyed.

But this is the thing that brought me to think alot about it all...
Eve took a bite of the forbidden fruit before adam, and then took the fruit to adam...
So eve had recieived the knowladge of good and evil before she gave the fruit to adam and yet, still gave adam the fruit to eat, knowing the death she was bringing to him.
Maby not a big deal in understanding of the word, but , it spoke of a truth that we all do know...
That evil begets evil, and this was the first of this as well.

Anyway, just something that I was pondering.
Please share your thoughts on this subject. :)

God bless
pickles
 
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When you sin the devil takes over your mind and you go insane
killing your partner is insanity

sinners always try and kill as many people as possible it makes them feel better

when you first moked a cigarette you wanted your friends to do it
insanity of sin
When you stole something you tried to get your friends to do it to

your mind is scared
when others do it you feel better
that is insanity
beliving you will be ok if everyone dooes it

well
you wont be

if you have a group of teenagers of say twenty
and one paretn

and they are having a discussion, and 19 teenagers think premarital sex is ok and the parent says no it is wrong and sin

guess what you will do?


insanity
 
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I think it's a bit late to nitpick about Adam and Eve.

The deed has been done.

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Sin is really insanity
you want to die and you want to enjoy it and you realy dont care what people think you want to have fun
insanity

JEsus died for you
his love sometimes breaks the hold of insanity and love is the only power that can bring your mind back from insanity.
His holy spirit quickly repairs the shorted connections in your brain and you feel remorse
and then you pray and ask for help
insnity cured
 
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And said:
When you sin the devil takes over your mind and you go insane
killing your partner is insanity

sinners always try and kill as many people as possible it makes them feel better

when you first moked a cigarette you wanted your friends to do it
insanity of sin
When you stole something you tried to get your friends to do it to

your mind is scared
when others do it you feel better
that is insanity
beliving you will be ok if everyone dooes it

well
you wont be

if you have a group of teenagers of say twenty
and one paretn

and they are having a discussion, and 19 teenagers think premarital sex is ok and the parent says no it is wrong and sin

guess what you will do?


insanity
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I agree, that sin begets sin. :)
The insanity part though? Im pretty sure we all knew what we were doing, and insanity just doesnt make it for me as a reason. :)
Thankyou Jesus though, for saving us from ourselves! :)

God bless:)
pickles
 
pickles

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Your right, it is a bit late. :)
I guess it just struck me that eve was getting off easy with the deception part, seems to me if eve came from adam, and they were considered one, they both commited the one sin that started it all.
Your right though, maby it is a bit nitpicky, but I love a good discussion, where all can agree the outcome was the same. :)

God bless:)
pickles
 
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pickles said:
There have been several posts about adam and eve, many saying eve was deceived and adam disobeyed God ect....
I never thought alot about it much, as sin was sin, and it began with them, and praise God! ended with Jesus's sacrifice.
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sin started with satan.
pickles said:
But the other night, as I was reading the bible, this thought came to mind and I wonder what your thoughts might be on this.
So lets say eve was decieved when she ate the forbidden fruit, and yes adam knew and disobeyed.
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Adam would not have disobeyed if satan had not have tempted him,, this is why God has fort so much from the beginning to protect us.
pickles said:
But this is the thing that brought me to think alot about it all...
Eve took a bite of the forbidden fruit before adam, and then took the fruit to adam...
So eve had recieived the knowladge of good and evil before she gave the fruit to adam and yet, still gave adam the fruit to eat, knowing the death she was bringing to him.
Maby not a big deal in understanding of the word, but , it spoke of a truth that we all do know...
That evil begets evil, and this was the first of this as well.
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Eve i believe was only bring something she thought was delicious.
pickles said:
Anyway, just something that I was pondering.
Please share your thoughts on this subject. :)

God bless
pickles.
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my thoughts are this when the world begins to realize how important it is not to mock people or bring people down or make people out to look bad they will no longer be setting a trap just like Satan did. :)
 
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Zinzerio said:
sin started with satan.
Adam would not have disobeyed if satan had not have tempted him,, this is why God has fort so much from the beginning to protect us.
Eve i believe was only bring something she thought was delicious.
my thoughts are this when the world begins to realize how important it is not to mock people or bring people down or make people out to look bad they will no longer be setting a trap just like Satan did. :)
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Opps! Your right, I should have said sin entered through one man. :)

I still do wonder though about eve, as she had eaten the fruit, so one does have to think about it.
As it was said that the fruit did give the knowladge of good and evil.
I have pondered sometimes if it was really the fruit, or the act of disobedience that brought the knowladge of good and evil.
More than likely both. :)

And your right, even before creating us,I do believe God knew what we would do, and knew what He would do to save us. :)

Thankyou for your other thoughts , thankyou for posting. :)

God bless
pickles
 
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It works the other way, too. We had a man who lives in Afghanistan visit US. He explained that Christianity is spreading because as Muslims see how attractive Christian life is they want some for themselves.. People have always been attracted to the life that God shows us to live since creation when people decide to walk in His paths. This has been true from OT times until today.

When we are joyful in the Lord, when our families join in peace, love and joy, when we walk in His paths, we are doing more than the most eloquent preacher.
 
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And said:
When you sin the devil takes over your mind and you go insane
killing your partner is insanity

sinners always try and kill as many people as possible it makes them feel better

when you first moked a cigarette you wanted your friends to do it
insanity of sin
When you stole something you tried to get your friends to do it to

your mind is scared
when others do it you feel better
that is insanity
beliving you will be ok if everyone dooes it

well
you wont be

if you have a group of teenagers of say twenty
and one paretn

and they are having a discussion, and 19 teenagers think premarital sex is ok and the parent says no it is wrong and sin

guess what you will do?


insanity
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I see that. Pleading insanity, when one has murdered another person, doesn't prove anything. All murderers are insane. Therefore, insanity goes on trial rather than the person that took another persons life. Now that's insane!!! Who made that law anyway. I don't see it in the Bible.

I don't think the tree in the garden taught insanity, I think insanity made Adam and Eve eat of that tree, just like insanity causes people to murder each other. It's like a gun will kill, but there needs to be a killer to make the gun shoot. Maybe we will see more insanity by putting all the guns in jail. That should do it right?:p
 
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how on earth did you concoct such insane ideology. You're adding stuff that just is not there. To what end?, because you were wondering! Eve did what she did Adam did what he did you do what you do I do what I do we all do what we do are we all insane? By your thought process yes. I'm trying real hard to get your whole insane point. Look up the word and define it. Look at the synonyms and get a clear understanding of what it is you are saying. Help me understand what you're saying and you point.
 
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pickles said:
Opps! Your right, I should have said sin entered through one man. :)

I still do wonder though about eve, as she had eaten the fruit, so one does have to think about it.
As it was said that the fruit did give the knowladge of good and evil.
I have pondered sometimes if it was really the fruit, or the act of disobedience that brought the knowladge of good and evil.
More than likely both. :)

And your right, even before creating us,I do believe God knew what we would do, and knew what He would do to save us. :)

Thankyou for your other thoughts , thankyou for posting. :)

God bless
pickles
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Eve was made from Adam's flesh and bone. It did start with Adam.
Genesis 2:23
And Adam said , This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

It wasn't God's fault however. Satan always starts at the point that he has determined as the weakest. (the flesh) Satan did the same with Jesus because Jesus' body had not eaten for days. Physically, He was weak, but the Spirit was stronger, unlike normal humans, such as Adam and Eve.

Eve was a helpmate to Adam, and she thought it was good because of her eyes being opened to something that looked better than what she had ever seen before. She didn't see anything bad in it after eating it until God came along and reminded them of what He commanded earlier. Then both of them saw the wrong in what seems so right before. God's word does that all the time. His Word reveals the truth of the matter at hand.
 
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It is not important, and that we should keep in mind, they both sinned and the fall took place, don't point the finger at Eve or Adam, Satan is the bad guy, he started the ball rolling, we had better wake up and call sin, sin and Satan is the one that caused out fall. Lest we forget, the enemy among us. Thank God for the Blood of the Lamb! Satan has lost but he just doesn't understand that, but his time is short I do pray.
 
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also, let's remember that satan twisted God's words. he asked eve if God had told them not to eat from or touch the tree. God never told them not to touch it. so a lie was the beginning of the end.
 
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gb9 said:
also, let's remember that satan twisted God's words. he asked eve if God had told them not to eat from or touch the tree. God never told them not to touch it. so a lie was the beginning of the end.
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Satan did not say this, Eve did.

Something for everyone to ponder.

Adam did nto try to stop his wife. He did not try to correct her. He actually joined her.

This is how sin happens. We do not want to sin alone, Both of them desired to eat the fruit before satan even came, Or it would not have been so easy for temptation to ensare them. They would have simply walked away.

Then notice what happened after. the blame shift. It is obvious they did what they desired to do. they just needed an excuse, which satan gave them, And after, when the realized what they had done, The flesh (which was now dead) took over, and they blamed everyone else for their own mistake.

This happens with all of us, If we do not have a desire to do something, we can not be tempted to do it. That is why we should look on things of the spirit. and not think about things which would cause us to fall to temptation, and we will not fulfill the lusts we so desire.

 
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you are right. my bad. early in morning. brain was not 100% yet.
 
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Both of them desired to eat the fruit before satan even came, Or it would not have been so easy for temptation to ensare them.
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Bad wording here other points ok. The word says we are snared by sin when we are drawn away Satan caused eve to be drawn away and Adam was drawn away by eve but the point is wording. Just a thought
 
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Bad wording here other points ok. The word says we are snared by sin when we are drawn away Satan caused eve to be drawn away and Adam was drawn away by eve but the point is wording. Just a thought
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I think you missed my point.

If I was not already tempted by my desire, No one could draw me away.

No one can make me jump in the lake. I have to desire to do it. The same goes for sin, this is what Paul tried to show us.

 
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No I read your words carefully you implied they intendef to sin prior to satans involvment maybe you meant something else but thats what you wrote not me
 
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Some one with a gun can make you jump in a lake same for strong influences
 
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