Who is this Angel?

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Genesis 16:10
And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly , that it shall not be numbered for multitude.

Genesis 31:11
And the angel of God spake unto me in a dream, saying, Jacob: And I said , Here am I.

Genesis 48:16a
The Angel which redeemed me from all evil,

Exodus 3:2
And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked , and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed .

Exodus 14:19
And the angel of God, which went before the camp of Israel, removed and went behind them; and the pillar of the cloud went from before their face, and stood behind them:

Exodus 23:20-21
Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared . Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.

Judges 2:1
And an angel of the LORD came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and said , I made you to go up out of Egypt, and have brought you unto the land which I sware unto your fathers; and I said , I will never break my covenant with you.

Who is this Angel?
 
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If you read these verse, it should tell us

Genesis 16:13

Genesis 31:13

I think you either for the wrong verse for Genesis 46:16a, or it doesn't exist

Exodus 3:4

Exodus 13:21

Idk about exodus 23:20-21

Judges 2:1 is obvious

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Could it be Jesus? That may not go over well with some, calling Jesus an Angel. Maybe thats how they described Jesus, before He became flesh and dwelt among us.
 
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If you read these verse, it should tell us

Genesis 16:13

Genesis 31:13

I think you either for the wrong verse for Genesis 46:16a, or it doesn't exist

Exodus 3:4

Exodus 13:21

Idk about exodus 23:20-21

Judges 2:1 is obvious

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Thanks for pointing out the mistake, but I wrote genesis 48:16 in the OP
I'll quote all of it
The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.
 
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My fault, wrong chapter lol
 
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Could it be Jesus? That may not go over well with some, calling Jesus an Angel. Maybe thats how they described Jesus, before He became flesh and dwelt among us.
 
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Could it be Jesus? That may not go over well with some, calling Jesus an Angel. Maybe thats how they described Jesus, before He became flesh and dwelt among us.
That's what I see. I like Exodus 23:20-21 particularly for those that saw Jesus changed things. It was all in the plan, and the plan didn't change.
 
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No prob brother. God's love shine toward you!:D
Same to you! Beautiful morning btw! :D Another day that the Lord has made! Praise the Lord!
 

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The word ‘theophany’ is derived from two Greek words, [/FONT][FONT=Symbol, serif][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]ὸ[/FONT][FONT=Symbol, serif][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]meaning God and [/FONT][FONT=Symbol, serif][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]ή[/FONT][FONT=Symbol, serif][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]meaning sound or voice. A theophany then is a hearing of the voice of God. Theophonic experiences in scripture assume many forms, yet all seem to have a singular function. They communicate the will of God to man. They provide man with a point of reference that man can comprehend. In so doing, God is demonstrating compassion for the limitations of the human mind to understand things that are beyond his ability to comprehend. In some theophonic experiences, God will accommodate only man’s sense of hearing. One only heard the voice of God. God speaking to Noah in Genesis 6 is just such an example. Another is Genesis 12 where God spoke to Abraham. Sometimes, these theophanies would be accompanied by some type of material phenomenon such as fire, wind, or earthquake as in the cases of Moses in Exodus 3, the nation of Israel in Exodus 13 and Elijah in 1Kings 19. Each of these accompanying natural phenomena would appeal to a broader range of physical senses as God sometimes chose to speak in these things. Still, at other times, God chose to assume an anthropomorphic form as in Genesis 18 when he appeared to Abraham in the company of two angels, all in human form.[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]For further reference, one might examine these examples of anthropomorphic theophanies. What appears in each of these is the repeated phrase “The Angel of Jehovah” 22:15-18; 31:11-13; 48:15-16, Joshua 5:13-15, Judges 6:11-24, and Judges 13:15-23. The expression " [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The Angel of Jehovah" is used almost exclusively [/FONT]to refer to some appearing of God.
 
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Yes, I strongly believe the Angel of the Lord is Christ, pre-incarnate.
 
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The word ‘theophany’ is derived from two Greek words, meaning God and meaning sound or voice. A theophany then is a hearing of the voice of God. Theophonic experiences in scripture assume many forms, yet all seem to have a singular function. They communicate the will of God to man. They provide man with a point of reference that man can comprehend. In so doing, God is demonstrating compassion for the limitations of the human mind to understand things that are beyond his ability to comprehend. In some theophonic experiences, God will accommodate only man’s sense of hearing. One only heard the voice of God. God speaking to Noah in Genesis 6 is just such an example. Another is Genesis 12 where God spoke to Abraham. Sometimes, these theophanies would be accompanied by some type of material phenomenon such as fire, wind, or earthquake as in the cases of Moses in Exodus 3, the nation of Israel in Exodus 13 and Elijah in 1Kings 19. Each of these accompanying natural phenomena would appeal to a broader range of physical senses as God sometimes chose to speak in these things. Still, at other times, God chose to assume an anthropomorphic form as in Genesis 18 when he appeared to Abraham in the company of two angels, all in human form. For further reference, one might examine these examples of anthropomorphic theophanies. What appears in each of these is the repeated phrase “The Angel of Jehovah” 22:15-18; 31:11-13; 48:15-16, Joshua 5:13-15, Judges 6:11-24, and Judges 13:15-23. The expression " The Angel of Jehovah" is used almost exclusively to refer to some appearing of God.
Moses went up the mountain in Exodus 19:20, and then came right back down to warn the people to stay their distance. Then it seems logical that Exodus 20:2-17 was heard by all the people, and they got scared. Then the people wanted Moses to hear God and tell them what God said through chapter 23, telling the people that an Angel will keep them in the way, and God's name would be in Him. Exodus 23:20-21

Thank you

John 14:8-9
Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
 
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While we're on the topic, does anyone have or know where I can find a complete list of all the theophanies (and similar appearances) in the Bible? Obviously Jacob wrestling is one of them. Thanks, guys. :)
 
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John 10:23-25
23 And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch.
24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.

This is cool, and confirms that the name of God was in the Angel, and the the works that Jesus did was in His Fathers name.

exodus 23:20-23
20 Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared .
21 Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.
22 But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak ; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies , and an adversary unto thine adversaries .
23 For mine Angel shall go before thee, and bring thee in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off .

All of Israel's victories over the enemy were through Christ Jesus, and so in like manner are our victories against the principalities of darkness.

Romans 8:37
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.

1 Corinthians 15:55-57
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
 
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Genesis 16:10
And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly , that it shall not be numbered for multitude.

Genesis 31:11
And the angel of God spake unto me in a dream, saying, Jacob: And I said , Here am I.

Genesis 48:16a
The Angel which redeemed me from all evil,

Exodus 3:2
And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked , and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed .

Exodus 14:19
And the angel of God, which went before the camp of Israel, removed and went behind them; and the pillar of the cloud went from before their face, and stood behind them:

Exodus 23:20-21
Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared . Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.

Judges 2:1
And an angel of the LORD came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and said , I made you to go up out of Egypt, and have brought you unto the land which I sware unto your fathers; and I said , I will never break my covenant with you.

Who is this Angel?
It's not important to know about them,God spoke and revealed His Majesty through them,still does...
They are just messengers.
 

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While we're on the topic, does anyone have or know where I can find a complete list of all the theophanies (and similar appearances) in the Bible? Obviously Jacob wrestling is one of them. Thanks, guys. :)

This is my list. Perhaps someone may remember one I have forgotten but these are the only ones I can recall.
Gen. 16:10-13; 18:1-33; 19:24-27; 22:15-18; 31:11-13; 48:15-16
Ex. 3:1ff; 14:19
Num. 22:32
Jsh. 5:14-15
Jdgs. 2:1-3; 6:11-24; 13:15-23
Zech. 3:1-2; 12:7-10
 
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This is my list. Perhaps someone may remember one I have forgotten but these are the only ones I can recall.
Gen. 16:10-13; 18:1-33; 19:24-27; 22:15-18; 31:11-13; 48:15-16
Ex. 3:1ff; 14:19
Num. 22:32
Jsh. 5:14-15
Jdgs. 2:1-3; 6:11-24; 13:15-23
Zech. 3:1-2; 12:7-10
Excellent! Thank you, OldHermit! :D
 
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It's not important to know about them,God spoke and revealed His Majesty through them,still does...
They are just messengers.
This is about One "Angel". I think is is important, and so far most who have contributed to this post believe it's Christ Jesus. Look at God's actions through this "Angel." It's amazing to me, for God's "Name" is in Him, and Jesus came in the "Name" of His Father.

1 John 1:5
5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested , that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin , because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
11 Forthis is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.

Leviticus 19:18
18 Thou shalt not avenge , nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
 
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In this train of thought, who was/is Melchizedek/Melchisedec? Some have said it was Shem, but I don't think so.

Genesis 14:18-20
18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.
19 And he blessed him, and said , Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:
20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.

Psalms 110:4-5
4 The LORD hath sworn , and will not repent , Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.
5 The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.

order 1700 dibrah dib-raw' feminine of 1697; a reason, suit or style:--cause, end, estate, order, regard.

*1697
dabar daw-baw' from 1696; a *word; by implication, a matter (as spoken of) or thing; adverbially, a cause:-- (there is more, and so on)

1696 dabar daw-bar' a primitive root; perhaps properly, to arrange; but used figuratively (of words), to speak;

Exodus 24:3
3 And Moses came and told the people all the *words of the LORD, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said , All the *words which the LORD hath said will we do.

John 1:1





 
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Psalms 110:4-5
4 The LORD hath sworn , and will not repent , Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.
5 The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.

order 1700 dibrah dib-raw' feminine of 1697; a reason, suit or style:--cause, end, estate, order, regard.

*1697
dabar daw-baw' from 1696; a *word; by implication, a matter (as spoken of) or thing; adverbially, a cause:-- (there is more, and so on)

1696 dabar daw-bar' a primitive root; perhaps properly, to arrange; but used figuratively (of words), to speak;
Exodus 24:3
3 And Moses came and told the people all the *words of the LORD, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said , All the *words which the LORD hath said will we do.

John 1:1

Interesting, I was just reading a past study that I did, and the word "Dabar" was part of it. Thought I'd share it.

In Psalm 28:1-2, The word ORACLE is defined as the inner santuary; "Holy of Holies".

A Psalm of David. Unto thee will I cry, O LORD my rock; be not silent to me: lest, if thou be silent to me, I become like them that go down into the pit. Hear the voice of my supplications, when I cry unto thee, when I lift up my hands toward thy holy ORACLE.

The word "Oracle," From Psalm 28:2 Strong’s Concordance as:
1697 dabar daw-baw'

1) the holy of holies, the innermost room of the temple or tabernacle
1a) hindmost chamber, innermost room of the temple of Solomon, most
holy place, holy of holies
2) (TWOT) oracle

MESSENGER (According to the ISB Encyclopedia)

mes'-en-jer:
The regular Hebrew word for "messenger" is mal'akh, the Greek aggelos. This may be a human messenger or a messenger of God, an angel. The context must decide the right translation. In Haggai 1:13 the prophet is called God's messenger; Job 33:23 changes the King James Version to "angel" (margin "messenger"); and Malachi 3:1 margin, suggests "angel" instead of "messenger." Malachi 2:7 and Malachi 3:1 (twice) have caused a great deal of comment. See MALACHI. The Greek apostolos, "apostle," is rendered "messenger" in 2 Corinthians 8:23; Philippians 2:25; 1 Samuel 4:17 translations literally, from Hebrew basar, "to tell good news," "he that brought the tidings." Genesis 50:16 reads "message" instead of "messenger."
Also wondering what the difference is between an angel and a cherubim.

Genesis 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

Exodus 25:20 And the cherubim shall stretch forth their wings on high, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and their faces shall look one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubim be.
Exodus 25:21 And thou shalt put the mercy seat above upon the ark; and in the ark thou shalt put the testimony that I shall give thee.
Exodus 25:22 And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubim which are upon the ark of the testimony, of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel.
 
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