Can a christian have doubt and unbelief and faith at the same time?

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I heard someone say that a christian can not havre unbelief and be a real christian, but i disagree whole hearted because we are still free moral agents and unbelief and doubt is also done when you lack knowledge of a certain thing.
Unbelief will also short circut faith, because it is a oppersite force which counter activate believing.
Look at Mark 11:22-24!
Even the disciple ask Jesus too help thier unbeliefs and Jesus said it was also unbelief they could not cast out a demon from a boy.
It was not the fact that the boy had such a stronger demon it was unbelief and fear which is doubt , and Jesus said this kind you need prayer and fasting, but not to get God to do something but prayer and fasting is to stop your flesh and mind to be settle in not stoping the work of Jesus faith through you.
even Jesus did not heal all in his own town because the bible say there was too much unbelief, so again the bible show how dangerious unbelief and doubt is a big reason many don`t get healed and mny don`t get their prayers answered.
It not a lack of faith or because anyone need more faith because we all have the same measure of faith Jesus has, so our faith does not have to grow, unless you thinj Jesus had a issue with faith, and I don`t think a born again person wil go so far to think that none sense.

So can anyone give a feed back about a christian can have unbelief and still be a christian or not??

thank you
Shalom
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evangelist1 said:
I heard someone say that a christian can not havre unbelief and be a real christian, but i disagree whole hearted because we are still free moral agents and unbelief and doubt is also done when you lack knowledge of a certain thing.
Unbelief will also short circut faith, because it is a oppersite force which counter activate believing.
Look at Mark 11:22-24!
Even the disciple ask Jesus too help thier unbeliefs and Jesus said it was also unbelief they could not cast out a demon from a boy.
It was not the fact that the boy had such a stronger demon it was unbelief and fear which is doubt , and Jesus said this kind you need prayer and fasting, but not to get God to do something but prayer and fasting is to stop your flesh and mind to be settle in not stoping the work of Jesus faith through you.
even Jesus did not heal all in his own town because the bible say there was too much unbelief, so again the bible show how dangerious unbelief and doubt is a big reason many don`t get healed and mny don`t get their prayers answered.
It not a lack of faith or because anyone need more faith because we all have the same measure of faith Jesus has, so our faith does not have to grow, unless you thinj Jesus had a issue with faith, and I don`t think a born again person wil go so far to think that none sense.

So can anyone give a feed back about a christian can have unbelief and still be a christian or not??

thank you
Shalom
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Yes, one can doubt, especially living in this world, which is full of liars, which paint pictures of things that are not true, and if they lie often enough and no one disputes the lie, they tend to win out. (global warming) for example. That matters not, for Christ said that He knows His sheep and they hear His voice and follow Him. This was true when He said it, and it is true now.
 
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Mark 9:24 And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.
 
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thanks for telling a truth we can have doubt and unbelief as christians!
A so called pastor and a few people says we can not have these things and that why i had to start this thread about this!
shalom
 
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crossnote said:
Mark 9:24 And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.
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yes and was that father a believer or christain or not?

Shalom?
 
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evangelist1 said:
I heard someone say that a christian can not havre unbelief and be a real christian, but i disagree whole hearted because we are still free moral agents and unbelief and doubt is also done when you lack knowledge of a certain thing.
Unbelief will also short circut faith, because it is a oppersite force which counter activate believing.
Look at Mark 11:22-24!
Even the disciple ask Jesus too help thier unbeliefs and Jesus said it was also unbelief they could not cast out a demon from a boy.
It was not the fact that the boy had such a stronger demon it was unbelief and fear which is doubt , and Jesus said this kind you need prayer and fasting, but not to get God to do something but prayer and fasting is to stop your flesh and mind to be settle in not stoping the work of Jesus faith through you.
even Jesus did not heal all in his own town because the bible say there was too much unbelief, so again the bible show how dangerious unbelief and doubt is a big reason many don`t get healed and mny don`t get their prayers answered.
It not a lack of faith or because anyone need more faith because we all have the same measure of faith Jesus has, so our faith does not have to grow, unless you thinj Jesus had a issue with faith, and I don`t think a born again person wil go so far to think that none sense.

So can anyone give a feed back about a christian can have unbelief and still be a christian or not??

thank you
Shalom
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A Christian can have worry, doubt, and fear.
 
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Yes, sometimes we go through trials that all we can do is stand and see the glory of the Lord. Completely stand in him till
he brings us to the other side. And then we see what he can do, that builds our faith more and teaches us to trust him even
more. We will have to go through stuff to learn, though it seems hard at the time. It produces, teaches and purges us.
Then we have a testamony to help others when they are facing such.
 
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crossnote said:
Mark 9:24 And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.
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You beat me to it. :)

evangelist1 said:
yes and was that father a believer or christain or not?

Shalom?
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Here is another one quite similar.
Luke 17:5 And the apostles said unto the Lord, Increase our faith.
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I am aware of no one on this planet that doesn't have room for, and need for, increasing their belief and/or faith. Why would I say that? You tell me, how many people do you know that have done this? "If ye had faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye might say unto this sycamine tree, Be thou plucked up by the root, and be thou planted in the sea"
Food for thought.:)
 
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evangelist1 said:
I heard someone say that a christian can not havre unbelief and be a real christian, but i disagree whole hearted because we are still free moral agents and unbelief and doubt is also done when you lack knowledge of a certain thing.
Unbelief will also short circut faith, because it is a oppersite force which counter activate believing.
Look at Mark 11:22-24!
Even the disciple ask Jesus too help thier unbeliefs and Jesus said it was also unbelief they could not cast out a demon from a boy.
It was not the fact that the boy had such a stronger demon it was unbelief and fear which is doubt , and Jesus said this kind you need prayer and fasting, but not to get God to do something but prayer and fasting is to stop your flesh and mind to be settle in not stoping the work of Jesus faith through you.
even Jesus did not heal all in his own town because the bible say there was too much unbelief, so again the bible show how dangerious unbelief and doubt is a big reason many don`t get healed and mny don`t get their prayers answered.
It not a lack of faith or because anyone need more faith because we all have the same measure of faith Jesus has, so our faith does not have to grow, unless you thinj Jesus had a issue with faith, and I don`t think a born again person wil go so far to think that none sense.

So can anyone give a feed back about a christian can have unbelief and still be a christian or not??

thank you
Shalom
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Abraham doubted God's ability to give him a son thru Sarah and sinned with Hagar so as to HELP GOD fulfill his promise
PETER as a saved man walked on water and then began to fear and began to sink
The disciples who could cast out demons failed on one occasion and it took the faith of Jesus to cast it out
The one man who was partially healed and had to have a (second) round of Jesus<--according to your faith be it unto you

ETC...The bible is filled with men and women who are evidently the children of God who have a moment of weakness and or doubt or lack of faith...that is when we are seeing with our eyes and not living by faith.

Even Jesus.....If it be possible let this cup pass from me...but not what I will!
 
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evangelist1 said:
thanks for telling a truth we can have doubt and unbelief as christians!
A so called pastor and a few people says we can not have these things and that why i had to start this thread about this!
shalom
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Yes, a christian can have both doubt in things and faith and still be a christian - one who is walking with God. Far out, some people have such heavy expectations on people to have it all right so quickly.
 
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It looks like to the extent we do not have 'perfect faith' or 'great faith' or even faith as a mustard seed, to that extent we have unbelief. Lord, help my unbelief.
 
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doubt and unbelief is incurable
 
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evangelist1 said:
I heard someone say that a christian can not havre unbelief and be a real christian, but i disagree whole hearted because we are still free moral agents and unbelief and doubt is also done when you lack knowledge of a certain thing.
Unbelief will also short circut faith, because it is a oppersite force which counter activate believing.
Look at Mark 11:22-24!
Even the disciple ask Jesus too help thier unbeliefs and Jesus said it was also unbelief they could not cast out a demon from a boy.
It was not the fact that the boy had such a stronger demon it was unbelief and fear which is doubt , and Jesus said this kind you need prayer and fasting, but not to get God to do something but prayer and fasting is to stop your flesh and mind to be settle in not stoping the work of Jesus faith through you.
even Jesus did not heal all in his own town because the bible say there was too much unbelief, so again the bible show how dangerious unbelief and doubt is a big reason many don`t get healed and mny don`t get their prayers answered.
It not a lack of faith or because anyone need more faith because we all have the same measure of faith Jesus has, so our faith does not have to grow, unless you thinj Jesus had a issue with faith, and I don`t think a born again person wil go so far to think that none sense.

So can anyone give a feed back about a christian can have unbelief and still be a christian or not??

thank you
Shalom
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It isn't faith if there's no room for doubt. If everything is for certain, then faith is not needed. I don't need to have faith in 1+1=2. But if someone I love dies suddenly and I'm hard put for an answer to the question 'Why?', then I have the chance to say, I don't fully understand why he died, but I choose to believe that God still loves me.
 
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crossnote said:
Mark 9:24 And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.
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Perfect scripture for the the OP's question. The father believed in God, but lacked the faith or doubted that God would heal his son.
Thomas believed in God but doubted that Jesus rose from the dead.

if you do not believe in God, or doubt that he exists then you are rejecting the faith which I believe God has given to every human. You can have doubt and unbelief and faith at the same time and be saved. But without faith you can not be reconciled to God.
"And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him." Hebrews 11:6
 
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Unless the Lord had been my help,
my soul had almost dwelt in silence.

When I said, My foot slippeth;
thy mercy, O Lord, held me up.
In the multitude of my thoughts within me
thy comforts delight my soul.

(Psalm 94:17-19)
 
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from doubt into hope:

Psalm 77

To the chief Musician, to Jeduthun, A Psalm of Asaph.

1 I cried unto God with my voice,
even unto God with my voice; and he gave ear unto me.
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2 In the day of my trouble I sought the Lord:
my sore ran in the night, and ceased not:
my soul refused to be comforted.
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3 I remembered God, and was troubled:
I complained, and my spirit was overwhelmed.

Selah.

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4Thou holdest mine eyes waking:
I am so troubled that I cannot speak.
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5 I have considered the days of old,
the years of ancient times.
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6 I call to remembrance my song in the night:
I commune with mine own heart: and my spirit made diligent search.
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7 Will the Lord cast off for ever?
and will he be favourable no more?
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8 Is his mercy clean gone for ever?
doth his promise fail for evermore?
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9 Hath God forgotten to be gracious?
hath he in anger shut up his tender mercies?

Selah.

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10 And I said, This is my infirmity:
but I will remember the years of the right hand of the most High.
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11 I will remember the works of the Lord:
surely I will remember thy wonders of old.
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12 I will meditate also of all thy work,
and talk of thy doings.
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13 Thy way, O God, is in the sanctuary:
who is so great a God as our God?
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14 Thou art the God that doest wonders:
thou hast declared thy strength among the people.
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15 Thou hast with thine arm redeemed thy people,
the sons of Jacob and Joseph. ​

Selah.
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16 The waters saw thee, O God, the waters saw thee;
they were afraid: the depths also were troubled.
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17 The clouds poured out water: the skies sent out a sound:
thine arrows also went abroad.
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18 The voice of thy thunder was in the heaven:
the lightnings lightened the world:​
the earth trembled and shook.
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19 Thy way is in the sea, and thy path in the great waters,
and thy footsteps are not known.
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20 Thou leddest thy people like a flock
by the hand of Moses and Aaron.

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I don't have any doubt as to the existence of God and I have full faith in Jesus.

However, I doubt the institution of the Church VERY much. It has kind of sent me into a dark place spiritually for now. It seems like all of the churches are after money. It's hard to say whats real and what's not anymore. I feel like I need more but can't pinpoint what it is. I've stumbled upon New Agey people who felt the same but I feel that the New Age is incredibly heretical....But I also feel like the current state of Christianity is as well.
 
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