Is there anything good in the law?

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It always seemed to me that God gave us the law out of love for us; it has been a shock to read all the posts that are only against it. When people try to use it for what God did not give it to us to be used for, those things are against law. But God gave it to us for good, too, and it seems as if we are spitting in God’s face when we say it is only bad.

I set out to find out if there was any advantage to simply using law as a guide to living. When I looked at the Muslims trying to do that, using law as a guide produced meanness toward others, especially towards women. They seemed to ignore that love is the basis of all law or it isn’t of God.

I was told that the Jews used it for salvation, so I explored that idea. I couldn’t find that scripture ever told them to do that, although I found sects of their religion that thought that.

Then I gathered every book I could find about Jews using law as a guide to living. I was amazed at the advantages for them in this life that law gave them, although those advantages only seemed to apply when love for God and man was incorporated with law.

I can’t summarize all the many books I read about this lifestyle in one post, but the advantages were in happier marriages, better education of their people, economic security through helping each other, a feeling of togetherness in the community, such honesty in dealings they were trusted when others weren’t trusted, I could go on and on. However, it always seemed to take a community working together for this lifestyle as relationships were so much a part of it.

My conclusion was that there were advantages to law alone if love was included. I am not promoting law without the HS to guide, law used for salvation when it simply is incapable of being used for that, or law for any reason at all except for love of the Lord and helping create a good life here on earth.

I have been told I am a liar, I am going to hell, I have been personally threatened for saying these things. I hope someone will respond to these ideas of scripture without threatening me personally.

 
Mar 21, 2014
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It always seemed to me that God gave us the law out of love for us; it has been a shock to read all the posts that are only against it. When people try to use it for what God did not give it to us to be used for, those things are against law. But God gave it to us for good, too, and it seems as if we are spitting in God’s face when we say it is only bad.

I set out to find out if there was any advantage to simply using law as a guide to living. When I looked at the Muslims trying to do that, using law as a guide produced meanness toward others, especially towards women. They seemed to ignore that love is the basis of all law or it isn’t of God.

I was told that the Jews used it for salvation, so I explored that idea. I couldn’t find that scripture ever told them to do that, although I found sects of their religion that thought that.

Then I gathered every book I could find about Jews using law as a guide to living. I was amazed at the advantages for them in this life that law gave them, although those advantages only seemed to apply when love for God and man was incorporated with law.

I can’t summarize all the many books I read about this lifestyle in one post, but the advantages were in happier marriages, better education of their people, economic security through helping each other, a feeling of togetherness in the community, such honesty in dealings they were trusted when others weren’t trusted, I could go on and on. However, it always seemed to take a community working together for this lifestyle as relationships were so much a part of it.

My conclusion was that there were advantages to law alone if love was included. I am not promoting law without the HS to guide, law used for salvation when it simply is incapable of being used for that, or law for any reason at all except for love of the Lord and helping create a good life here on earth.

I have been told I am a liar, I am going to hell, I have been personally threatened for saying these things. I hope someone will respond to these ideas of scripture without threatening me personally.
I hope you dont mind lol i resized your print,, i know that many people here will say if your writing is too big you are shouting and if your writing is to small you are being funny lol,, but hey ya know who cares for mans opinions anyway,,:)
 
Mar 21, 2014
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well now that i can see i will answer :) i saw a pitiful speech today from someone who has always argued we are not under the law he started with Jesus died for all are sins,, i tell you the Guys bottom lip was touching the floor he looked so miserable inside that i felt so sorry him,, hes probably about 67 ish and i had to think to my self how can someone who has been in the lord for so long look so miserable,, and then it hit me he has been twisting gods word for far to long and arguing about the law for far to long,, hes has forgot the more important part which is the latter part of the law love justice and mercy.. so sad,,
 

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Jesus is the only way. If we love him we will keep his commandments, but we we must be born again.
As far as other commandments, well Jesus said them plainly, turn the other cheek, do unto others, forgive
give,help the widows, the poor, then shall your heavenly Father reward thee.
I do not see where he said do as the Jews do.

My best friend does all the Jewish holidays and stuff. She used to go to church, the whole nine yards.
I prefer to go to church and invite others. That does not mean i do not love her the same.We still pray for
others and share what the Lord is doing.

I do think a lot of you as well.
 
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Jesus is the only way. If we love him we will keep his commandments, but we we must be born again.
As far as other commandments, well Jesus said them plainly, turn the other cheek, do unto others, forgive
give,help the widows, the poor, then shall your heavenly Father reward thee.
I do not see where he said do as the Jews do.

My best friend does all the Jewish holidays and stuff. She used to go to church, the whole nine yards.
I prefer to go to church and invite others. That does not mean i do not love her the same.We still pray for
others and share what the Lord is doing.

I do think a lot of you as well.
I HOPE people don't read my exploring how the Jews used law to live as "do as the Jews do". I did it to explore if there was anything good in law, but law as the Jews do often is law, not only as scripture says, but much of their personal interpretation added to it. To study to find a man made way to follow Christ would not be a good study at all.

Scripture tells us that Christ gives us the spiritual meaning of the "Jewish holidays and stuff" and we must go by that, but I cannot see how knowing these things can't lead to knowing the spiritual meaning Christ points out better, or that doing them is sinful.
 
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The only thing the law did was curse me to the second death and provided no remedy. Thank you Jesus!!!
 
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The only thing the law did was curse me to the second death and provided no remedy. Thank you Jesus!!!
So you would say that God only gave the law for cursing us? I thought that Christ spoke of the kingdom of God that we should be in, and that the law gives the boundaries for walking the walk of the kingdom. The Lord's Prayer speaks of the kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven. Wouldn't the law outline how to walk in that kingdom, with the HS and the law working together in tandem?
 
Mar 21, 2014
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The only thing the law did was curse me to the second death and provided no remedy. Thank you Jesus!!!
Romans 3:31
[SUP]31 [/SUP]Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.

so to uphold the law is to preach the law also,, which means not to keep it to your self and watch others fall..
and correct when you walk with Jesus you are no longer cursed by the law or as some may say your not under the law,,

simply because you walk with Jesus and you do not break the law .. now lets look at what being cursed by law means.. Its means getting your name on front page of the newspaper for say murder or whatever,, and a whole nation not liking you.

or your friends not liking you because you are being unlawful to them..

all thees things means you are cursed by the law,, because you are not walking with Jesus and not following his law, im through with this now once and for all.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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So you would say that God only gave the law for cursing us?
No

God said this

Moses said this

Paul said this.

So to say otherwise is to call all three of these persons liars.
 

crossnote

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1.The law curbs and restrains societal chaos.
2. Used by the Spirit to convict the world of sin and lead to Christ.
3.Convicts the Christian of sin and impotency that he would be driven to Jesus.
4. Written on the hearts of the redeemed.

Oh yes, and mistakened by some as a means of righteousness.
 
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Romans 3:31
[SUP]31 [/SUP]Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.

so to uphold the law is to preach the law also,, which means not to keep it to your self and watch others fall..
and correct when you walk with Jesus you are no longer cursed by the law or as some may say your not under the law,,

simply because you walk with Jesus and you do not break the law .. now lets look at what being cursed by law means.. Its means getting your name on front page of the newspaper for say murder or whatever,, and a whole nation not liking you.

or your friends not liking you because you are being unlawful to them..

all thees things means you are cursed by the law,, because you are not walking with Jesus and not following his law, im through with this now once and for all.
I don't think that Paul fits that bill, but yet he was cursed by the law.

Gal 3:10
9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
10For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Please, please, please read it and understand.



 

crossnote

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If any does not understand this...

1 Corinthians 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

...then they need to pour over, read and reread, Romans chapter 7.
 
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"If you love me you will keep my commandments." John 14:15

Does anyone seriously think they can get to the Father's house without loving Jesus?
Will anyone there say, I love everyone except that guy Jesus, as I will not keep his commandments because I hate his commandments?
 
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If any does not understand this...

1 Corinthians 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

...then they need to pour over, read and reread, Romans chapter 7.
The man of lawlessness, or iniquity in the KJV is Paul.

You NEED to read Jesus' words/teachings in the 4 gospels.
 

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David says the law is hol;y just and good
the baptists say it iis from the devil

Joshua says
Josh 1:8 This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.
the baptists say it is from the devil


solomon says
Prov 4:2 For I give you good doctrine, forsake ye not my law.
the baptists say it is from the devil

Paul says
Acts 22:12 And one Ananias, a devout man according to the law, having a good report of all the Jews which dwelt there,
Acts 22:13 Came unto me, and stood, and said unto me, Brother Saul, receive thy sight. And the same hour I looked up upon him.
the baptists say it is from the devil

The Romans were instructed:
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
the baptists say it is from the devil

Timothy says:
1 Tim 1:8 But we know that the law is good,

the baptists say it is from the devil



OH! I GET IT
Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.


the LAW OF SACRIFICES is done away!

the ten commandments law has nothing to do with year by year acrifices
see
the BAPTISTS ARE CONFUSED
They cant read the bible
(None that I know do the Bible anyway...they throw a\everything out of it
okld testament gospels new testament and revelation









the baptists say it is from the devil
 

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Is there anything good in the law?

Which law are you talking about?
the one that was done away with or the ten commandments law??
 

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1Ti 1:8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
1Ti 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
1Ti 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
 

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The law is perfect and good. The problem is that men are not. Israel begged God for a law so they could show their faithfulness. Israel wanted to proved to God how good they were. They had a very high opinion of themselves. We know that the law cannot produce righteousness but makes manifest man's sin. The law makes sin personal. Before the law sin was not personal but corporate in nature.

The law is still good and the law still points men to Christ. The law still shows that only Gods grace is sufficient to save us.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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Do you think God gave any other scripture in order to curse us?
Why would he, Was the law not perfect in that areas? Did the law need help?