What is faith ? Faith is not believing.

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Please enlighten me
look at Hebrews 11:1 in a few different translations, so you get a better understanding of the words.

Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. ESV
Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. NIV
Now faith is the [a]assurance of things [b]hoped for, the [c]conviction of things not seen. NASB

 
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1. Can you see eternal life?
2. Do you believe God when he says he will give it to you. And all he asks is that you trust him?

1.yes but I believe the knowledge he gave about future eternal life so I believe the faith. but this does not nullify my point though it proves it
 
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KJV is not in modern English, and a person who uses modern English should be careful when making doctrine from archaic phrases that no longer mean the same thing.
 
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look at Hebrews 11:1 in a few different translations, so you get a better understanding of the words.

Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. ESV
Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. NIV
Now faith is the [a]assurance of things [b]hoped for, the [c]conviction of things not seen. NASB

if you do a word study of the original greek words you will see faith is a knowledge!
 
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Many religions have a wrong concept of faith , most teach that faith is believing this is a gross error.
1.heb 11.1 faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen
2. Faith is the revealed truths of GOD 1tim4:6 that is the word of faith which we preach.
Do you speak in the heavenly prayer language of tongues?
 
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#28
faith is the title deed for things hoped for.
It is the assurance and confidence in God's promise. Abraham was saved by trusting God's promise, just as we are today.
 
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faith is the title deed for things hoped for.
It is the assurance and confidence in God's promise. Abraham was saved by trusting God's promise, just as we are today.
did you read what you quote ? you proving my point "faith is the title deed" means evidence proof of something!
 
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did you read what you quote ? you proving my point "faith is the title deed" means evidence proof of something!
i am so lost on your thought pattern.
how about you give me about 5-6 sentences explaining what you are talking about, and let's see if we're not saying the same things just in different ways.
 
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i am so lost on your thought pattern.
how about you give me about 5-6 sentences explaining what you are talking about, and let's see if we're not saying the same things just in different ways.[/QUOTE
"hupostasis (title deed).This is an explanation of ownership. faith is explanation." Bypaths in Greek New Testament by Kenneth S.PP18 -19 "ELEGMOS" Proof or evidence of things not seen. we do not see spiritual things(grace,salvation,righteousness etc) but our only evidence of them is the reveald truths
 

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The biblical definition is he 11:1 faith =substance + evidence
Verse 3 says through faith we UNDERSTAND so faith gives an understanding it's a knowledge believing does not give a knowledge
Heb 11:3 Through faith... the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
I took out the words, 'we understand that', to give a better understanding of the way I see it written.
Not that we understand through faith, but the worlds were framed through faith by the word of God.
Verse one says that faith is or makes the substance of the things we envision or hope for, or causes it to manifest in the natural realm. That's how I read it.
Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
 
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1.yes but I believe the knowledge he gave about future eternal life so I believe the faith. but this does not nullify my point though it proves it

you can see eternal life? How.
 
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i am so lost on your thought pattern.
how about you give me about 5-6 sentences explaining what you are talking about, and let's see if we're not saying the same things just in different ways.[/QUOTE
"hupostasis (title deed).This is an explanation of ownership. faith is explanation." Bypaths in Greek New Testament by Kenneth S.PP18 -19 "ELEGMOS" Proof or evidence of things not seen. we do not see spiritual things(grace,salvation,righteousness etc) but our only evidence of them is the reveald truths
still a bit confused, but if you are saying that a Believer is fully assured in their salvation, then yes. Our conviction in the Truth is our faith.
 
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Faith

1. putis (πίστις, 4102), “faith,” has the secondary meaning of “an assurance or guarantee, e.g., Acts 17:31; by raising Christ from the dead, God has given “assurance” that the world will be judged by Him (the KJV margin, “offered faith” does not express the meaning). Cf. 1 Tim. 5:12, where “faith” means “pledge.” See BELIEF, FAITH, FIDELITY.
2. plerophoria (πληροφορία, 4136), “a fullness, abundance,” also means “full assurance, entire confidence”; lit., a “full-carrying” (pleros, “full,” phero, “to carry”). Some explain it as full fruitfulness (cf. RV, “fullness” in Heb. 6:11). In 1 Thess. 1:5 it describes the willingness and freedom of spirit enjoyed by those who brought the gospel to Thessalonica; in Col. 2:2, the freedom of mind and confidence resulting from an understanding in Christ; in Heb. 6:11 (KJV, “full assurance,” RV, “fullness”), the engrossing effect of the expectation of the fulfillment of God’s promises; in Heb. 10:22, the character of the faith by which we are to draw near to God. See FULLNESS.¶
3. hupostasis (ὑπόστασις, 5287), lit., “a standing under, support” (hupo, “under,” histemi, “to stand”), hence, an “assurance,” is so rendered in Heb. 11:1, RV, for KJV, “substance.” It here may signify a title-deed, as giving a guarantee, or reality. See CONFIDENCE, PERSON, SUBSTANCE.
Note: In Acts 16:10, for the KJV (of sumbibazomai), “assuredly gathering,” see CONCLUDE.

B. Verbs.
1. pistoo (πιστόω, 4104), “to trust or give assurance to” (cf. A, No. 1), has a secondary meaning, in the passive voice, “to be assured of,” 2 Tim. 3:14.¶
2. plerophoreo (πληροφορέω, 4135), akin to A, No. 2, “to bring in full measure, to fulfill,” also signifies “to be fully assured,” Rom. 4:21, RV, of Abrahams faith. In 14:5 it is said of the apprehension of the will of God. So in Col. 4:12 in the best mss. In these three places it is used subjectively, with reference to an effect upon the mind. For its other and objective use, referring to things external,


Vine, W. E., Unger, M. F., & White, W., Jr. (1996). Vine’s Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words. Nashville, TN: T. Nelson.
 
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Heb 11:3 Through faith... the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
I took out the words, 'we understand that', to give a better understanding of the way I see it written.
Not that we understand through faith, but the worlds were framed through faith by the word of God.
Verse one says that faith is or makes the substance of the things we envision or hope for, or causes it to manifest in the natural realm. That's how I read it.
Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
"we understand "is essential to understand the text.If you put believing in place of faith in that text it does not make sense. you woul have to say through believing we understand. which is not logical the best explanation is through the reveal truths of the Bible we understand that the worlds were framed .......
 
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"we understand "is essential to understand the text.If you put believing in place of faith in that text it does not make sense. you woul have to say through believing we understand. which is not logical the best explanation is through the reveal truths of the Bible we understand that the worlds were framed .......
i guess we are on the same page... ish.
Belief fits in the sentence, if you understand belief as a firm convicting belief.
Faith is belief, but also a bit more. It involves trust and assurance.
 
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i guess we are on the same page... ish.
Belief fits in the sentence, if you understand belief as a firm convicting belief.
Faith is belief, but also a bit more. It involves trust and assurance.
yes,

One can believe, yet not have faith (assurance)

One can not have faith, and not have belief