Practicing Christian Love

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Most people who identify as christians actually don't know what they are doing in terms of how they interpret the scriptures and doctrines. One of the subjects where they are misled is concerning christian-love and it's expressions. Christians still carry on with the secular definitions and idealizations of love, ie: "showing love to all men..". But this is worldly(secular) and is false, and you have been tricked because you now look to non-christian systems to define your christian doctrines.

So firstly, From a christian POV: You CANNOT love non-christians. You can only give respect to all men, not love. These two(Love and Respect) are not the same. You CANNOT love a person with whom you are not joined (by doctrine, marriage, contract, etc) together with. Love\affection comes from the knowledge that the welfare of such a person is your welfare too, it is in your interest and your duty to invest in their development and security. So, Doctrine-wise, you cannot have such a relationship with any non-christian. Thus the saying:

"Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces." --(Matthew 7:6)

Now somebody might say: How about
"Loving your neigbour as yourself...(Mark 12:31)" [FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]and i say: The neigbour in the scripture refers explicitly to christians. He is your neighbor because you share the same neighborhood, this means: the same doctrine/faith. This is the interpretation of the passage. Spiritually, a non-christian cannot be your neighbor, though he might be literally. So to love your neighbor as yourself is to demand the same abidance to doctrine of your neighbor just as the same doctrines demands of you.[/FONT]

So, besides respect, the best you can do for non-chistians is to invite them to join your doctrine. If they do, then you are mandated to show them christian-love, else let them go about their lives as they deem fit. How they live is non of your #%&*$=+ business. It is not for you to reach beyond your church to enforce christian doctrines on non-christians. Doing so is not christianity, it is tyranny.

Now for those who share your faith, you have a duty to watch and judge their conduct and demand their conformity to the faith, just like Paul did with the churches in his time. It is either you conform to the faith or you leave the congregation, and this is christian-love,

For whom the LORD loves He reproves, Even as a father corrects the son in whom he delights (Proverbs 3:12, Hebrews 12:6)

You cannot practice love with people with whom you have no relationship(doctrine in this case). no more, no less.
 

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I'm thinking of this scripture...

But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
(Luk 6:35)
 
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Most people who identify as christians actually don't know what they are doing in terms of how they interpret the scriptures and doctrines. One of the subjects where they are misled is concerning christian-love and it's expressions. Christians still carry on with the secular definitions and idealizations of love, ie: "showing love to all men..". But this is worldly(secular) and is false, and you have been tricked because you now look to non-christian systems to define your christian doctrines.

So firstly, From a christian POV: You CANNOT love non-christians. You can only give respect to all men, not love. These two(Love and Respect) are not the same. You CANNOT love a person with whom you are not joined (by doctrine, marriage, contract, etc) together with. Love\affection comes from the knowledge that the welfare of such a person is your welfare too, it is in your interest and your duty to invest in their development and security. So, Doctrine-wise, you cannot have such a relationship with any non-christian. Thus the saying:

"Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces." --(Matthew 7:6)

Now somebody might say: How about
"Loving your neigbour as yourself...(Mark 12:31)" and i say: The neigbour in the scripture refers explicitly to christians. He is your neighbor because you share the same neighborhood, this means: the same doctrine/faith. This is the interpretation of the passage. Spiritually, a non-christian cannot be your neighbor, though he might be literally. So to love your neighbor as yourself is to demand the same abidance to doctrine of your neighbor just as the same doctrines demands of you.

So, besides respect, the best you can do for non-chistians is to invite them to join your doctrine. If they do, then you are mandated to show them christian-love, else let them go about their lives as they deem fit. How they live is non of your #%&*$=+ business. It is not for you to reach beyond your church to enforce christian doctrines on non-christians. Doing so is not christianity, it is tyranny.

Now for those who share your faith, you have a duty to watch and judge their conduct and demand their conformity to the faith, just like Paul did with the churches in his time. It is either you conform to the faith or you leave the congregation, and this is christian-love,

For whom the LORD loves He reproves, Even as a father corrects the son in whom he delights (Proverbs 3:12, Hebrews 12:6)

You cannot practice love with people with whom you have no relationship(doctrine in this case). no more, no less.
I completely disagree with this premise. The kind of love Jesus spoke of is an action verb. It is affection, good will and benevolence. John 15;13 Romans 13:10 1 John 4:8

We have been called to do as Jesus did and express unwarranted love to everyone.
 
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I want to add to my previous post that there is a distinction in that Jesus was an expert in loving people how they "needed" to be loved vs how they "wanted" to be loved.
 

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lOVE LOVE LOVE

Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
Rev 3:22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

nO WAY IS EVERYONE PERFECT OR THEY WOULD BE IN HEAVEN

WHEN THERE IS A SINNER MAKING ERROR THEN OUR DUTY IS TO TELL HIM HE IS SINNING AND TO TREPENT
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Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
Rev 3:22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
 
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I'm thinking of this scripture...

But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
(Luk 6:35)
You should note that I stressed "christian-love" in my OP and differentiated it from "Respect for all men". Respect itself is love, But is a secular-love. I used "respect" so as not to confuse with christian-love. But since the passage used the word "love", I tell you now that it refers to secular-love/respect, not the christian one.

You can read Luke 6:27-36 literally and you'd definitely be misled. But the passage requires wisdom(interpretation) and I give it to you. "Those who hate you..." means systems and institutions that do not recognize God, these are secular systems like governments, businesses, science & education, etc. To love them means to still participate in these disciplines and institutions regardless that they do not recognize God. This is what it means to "expect nothing in return from them.."

So you should pay your taxes(love the state) because you have a relationship with the state, you should not teach creationism(love science) because it cannot recognize God, yet you have a relationship with the education system. So love them and expect nothing in return, not expecting them to bless/acknowledge your God. It is a secular-love(respect) because of a binding/relationship between you and these institutions. You need those relationships for education and certification, for infrastructure, for state security, etc. They cannot know God, therefore you cannot insist on your christian doctrines before you can participate in these systems.
 
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I completely disagree with this premise. The kind of love Jesus spoke of is an action verb. It is affection, good will and benevolence. John 15;13 Romans 13:10 1 John 4:8

We have been called to do as Jesus did and express unwarranted love to everyone.

You cannot love anybody with whom you do not have a relationship. The love you show to non-christians is secular, not a christian one. You cannot insist that non-christian people/institutions must follow christian doctrines. Love is not affection for affection sake, that doesn't make sense, Rather it is affection for a shared values sake. This values could be religious/spiritual, state, economic, educational/qualificational, etc. So love is working for the interest of such values that you share. If the relationship between you and the other person is not religious, then you don't owe him religious mandate.
 
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Christians still carry on with the secular definitions and idealizations of love, ie: "showing love to all men..". But this is worldly(secular) and is false, and you have been tricked...

You CANNOT love non-christians. You can only give respect to all men, not love. These two(Love and Respect) are not the same. You CANNOT love a person with whom you are not joined (by doctrine, marriage, contract, etc) together with. Love\affection comes from the knowledge that the welfare of such a person is your welfare too, it is in your interest and your duty to invest in their development and security...

You cannot love anybody with whom you do not have a relationship. The love you show to non-christians is secular, not a christian one. You cannot insist that non-christian people/institutions must follow christian doctrines. Love is not affection for affection sake, that doesn't make sense, Rather it is affection for a shared values sake. This values could be religious/spiritual, state, economic, educational/qualificational, etc. So love is working for the interest of such values that you share. If the relationship between you and the other person is not religious, then you don't owe him religious mandate.
No offense to you, as I know your heart means well
But the road to heaven is not paved with best intentions :)
just some brotherly light shedding on the subject
Actually it's kinda the opposite of what you're suggesting
I pray these couple verses here may help provide some factual basis in the matter.

Matthew 5
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If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that?
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And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that?
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Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

1 Cor 5
11But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister[SUP]c[/SUP] but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. DO NOT EVEN EAT with such people. 12What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
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God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”

Ones interest and duty toward a non-Christians development is CHRISTS interest within our duty.
Not a duty unto our self.
 
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You cannot love anybody with whom you do not have a relationship. The love you show to non-christians is secular, not a christian one. You cannot insist that non-christian people/institutions must follow christian doctrines. Love is not affection for affection sake, that doesn't make sense, Rather it is affection for a shared values sake. This values could be religious/spiritual, state, economic, educational/qualificational, etc. So love is working for the interest of such values that you share. If the relationship between you and the other person is not religious, then you don't owe him religious mandate.
While we we all yet sinners, God showed His love toward us...You do know that sin is kind of like the total opposite of God?
Sin involves the lack of true love. There was no relationship between God and man, it was severed. Yet God's love for us just proved your relationship theory to be bogus. Furthermore, secular love? There is only one kind of love. The non christian love is the same kind of love as the Christians, the difference is the Christian doesn't limit it's ability to perform.

And finally, have you read the story of the good Samaritan? Or who He told the story to? And what the story means?