Calvinism taking over Southern Baptists

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How many people believe in Calvinism and why?
 

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Do you mean Covenant Theology or do you mean the 5 point system?
 
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I do, because the bible teaches it. :)
 
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What parts of "Calvinism" do you disagree with? I haven't met a Believer who wasn't at least a 3-point Calvinist.
 
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Total Depravity (also known as Total Inability/Original Sin)
Unconditional Election
Limited Atonement (also known as Particular Atonement)
Irresistible Grace
Perseverance of the Saints (also known as Eternal Security/Once Saved Always Saved)

I agree with them, except 'Limited Atonement'.

I think the Bible clearly teaches that Jesus died to atone for the whole race,
yet by God's foreknowledge and election, only the Chosen will believe and be saved/justified/sanctified.

His blood is enough to save all, but not all will be saved.
 
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A little humor :p
 
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LT, in some form that's still limited, particular more in the sense that you believe the atonement was given to those who believe, not the whole world. :p otherwise you would be teaching universalism that everyone is saved.

So whether there is limited atonement to those who are elected or those who believe, it's still given particularly to someone instead of everyone. :)
I suppose, but I see salvation separated out into pieces within Scripture:
1. Redeeming the race from guilt of Adam's sin -this is what I see as Jesus 'dying for all men'
-without the replacement of the 1st Adam, redemption would be impossible.

2. Victory over the guilt of sin/Forgiveness for individual sins - this is our individual salvation experience.

3. Victory over the power of sin/Sanctification - The Holy Spirit making us holy while here on earth, perfected in heaven.
 

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How many people believe in Calvinism and why?
Baptists will never be true Calvinists because they reject infant baptism and the Lord's Supper as Sacraments.
 
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I suppose, but I see salvation separated out into pieces within Scripture:
1. Redeeming the race from guilt of Adam's sin -this is what I see as Jesus 'dying for all men'
-without the replacement of the 1st Adam, redemption would be impossible.

2. Victory over the guilt of sin/Forgiveness for individual sins - this is our individual salvation experience.

3. Victory over the power of sin/Sanctification - The Holy Spirit making us holy while here on earth, perfected in heaven.
Ah shucks bro, I deleted my post.
 
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Baptists will never be true Calvinists because they reject infant baptism and the Lord's Supper as Sacraments.
Lol no and no! Matter of fact, a lot of Baptists teach credobaptism.
 
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What is Calvinism? From what I've heard it is nonsense.
 
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What is Calvinism? From what I've heard it is nonsense.
When talking about Calvinism, a majority of it is the 5 points of Calvinism mentioned by LT.

Total depravity - men are both sinful and are unable to choose Christ on their own because he is dead in sin.

Unconditional election - God chose a group of people (the elect) to be saved without any conditions of the individual.

Limited atonement - Jesus' atonement was only applied to those who were chosen.

Irresistible grace -Those whom God elected, will draw them to Himself, and to believe in Christ and to be saved by His irresistible grace.

Perseverance of the saints - the believer (the elect) will persevere in faith. Their faith is eternally secure, and will endure to the end.
 
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crossnote

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Lol no and no! Matter of fact, a lot of Baptists teach credobaptism.
CRedo baptism is believers baptism and those are the ONLY ones baptists baptize...not infants...at least not as a Sacrament (means of grace) but maybe as a dedication ceremony.
 

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God has predestined me to disbelieve in Calvinism.

It's out of my hands.
 
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I definitely believe it is all nonsense, God says in the Bible Ephesians 2:8-9 "For you are saved by grace through faith" anyone can come to God there are no chosen people are elect Christians. No such thing, so for LT to say he has not met a christian that has not believed in at least a 3 point, LT I'm sorry but I don't believe any of it. I believe my Bible and my Bible disproves it. Any further questions on why I believe what I believe.

Catherine
 
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CRedo baptism is believers baptism and those are the ONLY ones baptists baptize...not infants...at least not as a Sacrament (means of grace) but maybe as a dedication ceremony.
Crossnote, you just stated that all Baptists believe in infant baptism, which you say a reformist rejects. I pointed out that a lot of Baptists don't believe in that.
 
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I definitely believe it is all nonsense, God says in the Bible Ephesians 2:8-9 "For you are saved by grace through faith" anyone can come to God there are no chosen people are elect Christians. No such thing, so for LT to say he has not met a christian that has not believed in at least a 3 point, LT I'm sorry but I don't believe any of it. I believe my Bible and my Bible disproves it. Any further questions on why I believe what I believe.

Catherine
Catherine, Ephesians 2:8-9 proves Calvinism. In those verses it even states that faith is a gift of God as well...

I know it sounds like nonsense, but if you study it in the bible, it will be evident. :)
 
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God has predestined me to disbelieve in Calvinism.

It's out of my hands.
Lol I wanna ask you a question, do you pray for a soul to be saved? :)
 
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I believe in 10 points in The Bibles cal/armian teaching. Most Calvinists explain the 5 points to include the other,opposite, side of each point, so, lets call them 10 pointers. LoL,;) I just don't like using logic to interpret the Bible. The Bible interprets itself, "rightly divided", and salvation is in separate stages. And the stages are best seen in Ro, 8:29-30. 1. eternal love, Foreknew. 2. election, predestined. 3. new birth, called. 4. Justified, forgiven. 5. glorified. I call this the Theme of the Bible: God's Eternal Covenant of Grace. I could hope that this wave to calvinism would correct their Carnal christian heresy. The So. Bap are notorious for this false "faith only gospel". Love to all Hoffco
 

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Crossnote, you just stated that all Baptists believe in infant baptism, which you say a reformist rejects. I pointed out that a lot of Baptists don't believe in that.
Which post # did I state that baptists believe in infant baptism?