The Lord showed me how corruption of the word had veiled the eyes of the churches with the traditions of man. Then He showed me why I should forgive them. He showed me how all the people calling themselves Christians were as the Pharisees were during the time of Yeshua. The Pharisees positioned Almighty God to take the blame for any misfortune arising from their bad stewardship and to cover up their evils, just as the Christians of today do. Nothing that causes pain, disease, misfortune or anything bad for us came from Almighty God, He gave us His power and His authority and we aspired to the sickness and evils of this world as we do to this day. (Almighty God is mystified by how we would be willing to worship a god that would posses such evil in his heart, the god we have turned Him into.) We conveniently forget that from our creation; we were given not only the spirit of Almighty God within us, but also that power and authority. What ever we set on earth therefore becomes a rule in heaven; it was man who created sickness and evils of every kind. Yet we blame Almighty God, like it was his fault that we want to follow our own so called truths. When tested to the oldest scripts we find the origins of Satan spoke of little and we assume a great knowledge. But I now understand our mis-stewardship of the power of Almighty God. I know some of what the future holds for the earth and more important, I know how to show you where to see these things for yourselves. It is my calling to offer the opportunity (to all I can) to know the heart and face of Almighty God. I have many lessons to learn in the future, but by the grace of Almighty God I will run the good race. Yet I will ever endeavor to bring into wisdom the Second Church of the Pharisees known as the Christian Churches. Churches full of controls and judgments.
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So many boast knowledge without testing anything; but rather by the repeated readings of the same book looking for the hidden meanings:
You offered Deut 7:15-16
15 The LORD will keep you free from every disease. He will not inflict on you the horrible diseases you knew in Egypt, but he will inflict them on all who hate you. 16 You must destroy all the peoples the LORD your God gives over to you. Do not look on them with pity and do not serve their gods, for that will be a snare to you. NIV
A book could be written on your reply, but let me offer a few considerations for those whom have open eyes. Let us start with Jeremiah 8:8
"'How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes
has handled it falsely? NIV
Clearly to argue the Old Testament has an unmovable pitfall from the beginning but let us now try and understand a little more of what Jeremiah was saying about the entry of Israel when they first entered the Promised Land, the time of the supposed authorship of Deuteronomy.
Jer 2:7 "I brought you into the fruitful land To eat its fruit and its good things.
But you came and defiled My land, And My inheritance you made an abomination.
NASU
Here are the original texts taken from an Interlinear Bible for Jeremiah 2:7: And I brought you into a country, plentiful to eat the fruit thereof and the goodness thereof; when ye entered, ye defiled my land and mine heritage made an abomination.
Again the translators have changed the original scripts, as one can easily discover with the addition of an interlinear bible. The translators of the Christian Bibles chose to eliminate the words “when ye entered”. Why is this pertinent? This verse and the ones that follow prove Israel abandoned God from the moment they entered the Promised Land! If they abandoned God from the time they entered and we remember the lying hand of the Scribes, it is abundantly obvious, to all but the blind that the vicious anger and justification spewed out by Israel was Israel heart not God’s! God said He would “drive the residents of the land with wild locust slowly that wild animals would not posses the land before them”! What changed but Israel’s lack of faith to wait on the Lord? To this day it is a sin of man to self justify to follow the world rather than follow the heart of God!
You offered Deut 7:15-16
15 The LORD will keep you free from every disease. He will not inflict on you the horrible diseases you knew in Egypt, but he will inflict them on all who hate you. 16 You must destroy all the peoples the LORD your God gives over to you. Do not look on them with pity and do not serve their gods, for that will be a snare to you. NIV
A book could be written on your reply, but let me offer a few considerations for those whom have open eyes. Let us start with Jeremiah 8:8
"'How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes
has handled it falsely? NIV
Clearly to argue the Old Testament has an unmovable pitfall from the beginning but let us now try and understand a little more of what Jeremiah was saying about the entry of Israel when they first entered the Promised Land, the time of the supposed authorship of Deuteronomy.
Jer 2:7 "I brought you into the fruitful land To eat its fruit and its good things.
But you came and defiled My land, And My inheritance you made an abomination.
NASU
Here are the original texts taken from an Interlinear Bible for Jeremiah 2:7: And I brought you into a country, plentiful to eat the fruit thereof and the goodness thereof; when ye entered, ye defiled my land and mine heritage made an abomination.
Again the translators have changed the original scripts, as one can easily discover with the addition of an interlinear bible. The translators of the Christian Bibles chose to eliminate the words “when ye entered”. Why is this pertinent? This verse and the ones that follow prove Israel abandoned God from the moment they entered the Promised Land! If they abandoned God from the time they entered and we remember the lying hand of the Scribes, it is abundantly obvious, to all but the blind that the vicious anger and justification spewed out by Israel was Israel heart not God’s! God said He would “drive the residents of the land with wild locust slowly that wild animals would not posses the land before them”! What changed but Israel’s lack of faith to wait on the Lord? To this day it is a sin of man to self justify to follow the world rather than follow the heart of God!
Jeremiah 8:8 does not mean that the Old Testament is corrupt and not to be trusted. read it in context: it is the Lord's message through Jeremiah to the people in Jerusalem, after generations of idolatry, when although the temple stood, the people also practiced idolatry, and their kings did wickedness.
this people was only a few years from being taken into captivity in Babylon, but at the same time, the king listened to Ba'al's prophets, who told him that no harm would befall them.
the shepherds transgressed against me;
the prophets prophesied by Baal
and went after things that do not profit.
(Jeremiah 2:8)
They have healed the wound of my people lightly,
saying, ‘Peace, peace,’
when there is no peace.
(Jeremiah 6:14)
as for Jeremiah 2:7 --
I brought you into a fertile land to eat its fruit and rich produce. But you came and defiled my land and made my inheritance detestable.
(NIV)
And I brought you into a plentiful land to enjoy its fruits and its good things. But when you came in, you defiled my land and made my heritage an abomination.
(ESV)
I brought you into the fruitful land To eat its fruit and its good things. But you came and defiled My land, And My inheritance you made an abomination.
(NASB)
And I brought you into a plentiful country, to eat the fruit thereof and the goodness thereof; but when ye entered, ye defiled my land, and made mine heritage an abomination.
(KJV)
I brought you to a fertile land to eat its fruit and bounty, but after you entered, you defiled My land; you made My inheritance detestable.
(HCSB)
And I brought you into a plentiful country, to eat the fruit thereof and the goodness thereof; but when you entered, you defiled my land, and made my heritage an abomination.
(AKJV)
And I brought you into a plentiful land, to eat the fruit thereof and the goodness thereof; but when ye entered, ye defiled my land, and made my heritage an abomination.
(ASV)
And I brought you into a plentiful land, to eat the fruit thereof and the goodness thereof; but when ye entered, ye defiled my land, and made mine heritage an abomination.
(ERV)
Yea, I bring you in to a land of fruitful fields, To eat its fruit and its goodness, And ye come in and defile My land, And Mine inheritance have made an abomination.
(YLT)
i don't know what makes you think "when you entered" or "after you entered" or "when you came in" is missing from English translations. did you not look to see if this was true?
but the people turned against the Lord long before they came to Canaan - even at the Red Sea they argued with Moses, and would have turned back to Egypt. even before they left Egypt, when Pharoah had them make bricks without straw, they complained bitterly against Moses.
Jeremiah prophesied to the people after the reigns of David & Solomon and other kings who "did what was right in the sight of the Lord."
when Jeremiah began prophesying, the books of the Law had been lost. at the time ch. 2 was written, they had not been found. about the time Jeremiah ch. 8 was written, Josiah had become king, and the Law was found, and Josiah tried to purify the land - see 2 Chronicles ch. 34
but Josiah's sons did evil in the sight of God and turned back to the Ba'als - see 2 Kings 13.
you simply can't take one verse or two from the book of the prophet and make sweeping generalizations without understanding the historical context. this prophet had a message for the people he was sent to, and while that is relevant to us as well, when understood properly, it is not understood properly by lifting out a verse here and a verse there, ignoring the time and the people to which the words were given.
this people was only a few years from being taken into captivity in Babylon, but at the same time, the king listened to Ba'al's prophets, who told him that no harm would befall them.
the shepherds transgressed against me;
the prophets prophesied by Baal
and went after things that do not profit.
(Jeremiah 2:8)
They have healed the wound of my people lightly,
saying, ‘Peace, peace,’
when there is no peace.
(Jeremiah 6:14)
as for Jeremiah 2:7 --
I brought you into a fertile land to eat its fruit and rich produce. But you came and defiled my land and made my inheritance detestable.
(NIV)
And I brought you into a plentiful land to enjoy its fruits and its good things. But when you came in, you defiled my land and made my heritage an abomination.
(ESV)
I brought you into the fruitful land To eat its fruit and its good things. But you came and defiled My land, And My inheritance you made an abomination.
(NASB)
And I brought you into a plentiful country, to eat the fruit thereof and the goodness thereof; but when ye entered, ye defiled my land, and made mine heritage an abomination.
(KJV)
I brought you to a fertile land to eat its fruit and bounty, but after you entered, you defiled My land; you made My inheritance detestable.
(HCSB)
And I brought you into a plentiful country, to eat the fruit thereof and the goodness thereof; but when you entered, you defiled my land, and made my heritage an abomination.
(AKJV)
And I brought you into a plentiful land, to eat the fruit thereof and the goodness thereof; but when ye entered, ye defiled my land, and made my heritage an abomination.
(ASV)
And I brought you into a plentiful land, to eat the fruit thereof and the goodness thereof; but when ye entered, ye defiled my land, and made mine heritage an abomination.
(ERV)
Yea, I bring you in to a land of fruitful fields, To eat its fruit and its goodness, And ye come in and defile My land, And Mine inheritance have made an abomination.
(YLT)
i don't know what makes you think "when you entered" or "after you entered" or "when you came in" is missing from English translations. did you not look to see if this was true?
but the people turned against the Lord long before they came to Canaan - even at the Red Sea they argued with Moses, and would have turned back to Egypt. even before they left Egypt, when Pharoah had them make bricks without straw, they complained bitterly against Moses.
Jeremiah prophesied to the people after the reigns of David & Solomon and other kings who "did what was right in the sight of the Lord."
when Jeremiah began prophesying, the books of the Law had been lost. at the time ch. 2 was written, they had not been found. about the time Jeremiah ch. 8 was written, Josiah had become king, and the Law was found, and Josiah tried to purify the land - see 2 Chronicles ch. 34
but Josiah's sons did evil in the sight of God and turned back to the Ba'als - see 2 Kings 13.
you simply can't take one verse or two from the book of the prophet and make sweeping generalizations without understanding the historical context. this prophet had a message for the people he was sent to, and while that is relevant to us as well, when understood properly, it is not understood properly by lifting out a verse here and a verse there, ignoring the time and the people to which the words were given.
Your level of narrow mindedness is only outweighed by your denying of facts. How outrageous that you think the time Israels condemnation began has no matter! So what about David and Solomon they are not even involved in the points made here by Jeremiah yet here you casually add to the word to try and change what a prophet said! Then you try and use more Old Testament to prove yourself, do you not see the ignorance in that? It is you sir, adding to the word to support the traditions of man. I am sad that you have adhered so intently with the traditions my man.
understanding historical context = adhering to traditions of man? am i a fool for having read the books of the Kings and the Chronicles, or the whole book of Jeremiah and not just one verse? is reading the whole Word of God instead of a single line in a great book "adding to the word" ?
you said Israel abandoned God from the very beginning of the time that they entered Canaan; this is not entirely so, because the scriptures testify that God blessed the temple, His glory dwelling in it, and they testify of kings of Israel who followed after God in those days, even David, the man "after God's own heart"
if you do not believe this is true, show me through the Word, not through unwarranted & baseless insult.
how about "thanks post, i didn't realize i was wrong about the phrase "when you entered the land" actually being present in every English translation of Jeremiah 2:7" ?
no?
i'm sorry but i don't understand what you're trying to tell me. what facts did i deny? what did i "add" to the scripture? how did i "change what the prophet said" ?
please be clear.
You should re-read my testimony as you read something I did not write if I say I was saved 3 times! All I remember was confusion. I don't see myself as lucky in earthly ways. Haters are everywhere calling themselves by many names but haters just the same!
Isaiah 65v5 comes to mind sir when I read the above!
When saved:
1980 or 1986
totally in 2000
Lucky you, saved 3 times, I only got saved once!
When saved:
1980 or 1986
totally in 2000
Lucky you, saved 3 times, I only got saved once!
um, thanks for not being clear or answering any questions -- & i sincerely do appreciate you taking the time to angrily babble at me, but i'm afraid it didn't clear anything up, and i still have the same questions.
what 'traditions' are you talking about and accusing me of?
what did i 'add' to the scriptures when i referenced Chronicles and Kings (note: part of the scriptures) to give context to Jeremiah (note: also part of the scriptures)?
what 'traditions' are you talking about and accusing me of?
what did i 'add' to the scriptures when i referenced Chronicles and Kings (note: part of the scriptures) to give context to Jeremiah (note: also part of the scriptures)?
At what point do you think I was saved as I know that I did not say 3 time That I was saved. If you do not like the testimony God has given me that is your problem but to act so ignorantly as to think I thought myself save 3 times..... Maybe you should have paid more attention as to what I told God when my children were almost killed, or any of a hundred places in my testimony to see the answers you have overlooked. My full testimony is at donmasterson.weebly.com there you will find my hole story.
Let me re-offer my post that you might be exact about your inquiry without the general statements and unexplained verse interpretations you offered earlier. Here is the original post:
The Lord showed me how corruption of the word had veiled the eyes of the churches with the traditions of man. Then He showed me why I should forgive them. He showed me how all the people calling themselves Christians were as the Pharisees were during the time of Yeshua. The Pharisees positioned Almighty God to take the blame for any misfortune arising from their bad stewardship and to cover up their evils, just as the Christians of today do. Nothing that causes pain, disease, misfortune or anything bad for us came from Almighty God, He gave us His power and His authority and we aspired to the sickness and evils of this world as we do to this day. (Almighty God is mystified by how we would be willing to worship a god that would posses such evil in his heart, the god we have turned Him into.) We conveniently forget that from our creation; we were given not only the spirit of Almighty God within us, but also that power and authority. What ever we set on earth therefore becomes a rule in heaven; it was man who created sickness and evils of every kind. Yet we blame Almighty God, like it was his fault that we want to follow our own so called truths. When tested to the oldest scripts we find the origins of Satan spoke of little and we assume a great knowledge. But I now understand our mis-stewardship of the power of Almighty God. I know some of what the future holds for the earth and more important, I know how to show you where to see these things for yourselves. It is my calling to offer the opportunity (to all I can) to know the heart and face of Almighty God. I have many lessons to learn in the future, but by the grace of Almighty God I will run the good race. Yet I will ever endeavor to bring into wisdom the Second Church of the Pharisees known as the Christian Churches. Churches full of controls and judgments.
Please be exacting in your evidences and inquiry's.
The Lord showed me how corruption of the word had veiled the eyes of the churches with the traditions of man. Then He showed me why I should forgive them. He showed me how all the people calling themselves Christians were as the Pharisees were during the time of Yeshua. The Pharisees positioned Almighty God to take the blame for any misfortune arising from their bad stewardship and to cover up their evils, just as the Christians of today do. Nothing that causes pain, disease, misfortune or anything bad for us came from Almighty God, He gave us His power and His authority and we aspired to the sickness and evils of this world as we do to this day. (Almighty God is mystified by how we would be willing to worship a god that would posses such evil in his heart, the god we have turned Him into.) We conveniently forget that from our creation; we were given not only the spirit of Almighty God within us, but also that power and authority. What ever we set on earth therefore becomes a rule in heaven; it was man who created sickness and evils of every kind. Yet we blame Almighty God, like it was his fault that we want to follow our own so called truths. When tested to the oldest scripts we find the origins of Satan spoke of little and we assume a great knowledge. But I now understand our mis-stewardship of the power of Almighty God. I know some of what the future holds for the earth and more important, I know how to show you where to see these things for yourselves. It is my calling to offer the opportunity (to all I can) to know the heart and face of Almighty God. I have many lessons to learn in the future, but by the grace of Almighty God I will run the good race. Yet I will ever endeavor to bring into wisdom the Second Church of the Pharisees known as the Christian Churches. Churches full of controls and judgments.
Please be exacting in your evidences and inquiry's.
btw i did read your testimony and the dates are no issue with me. i didn't think it was worth me commenting on.
i'd like to talk about your specific accusations about me, but more than anything else i'd like to talk about the scripture and see if we can't glorify God together
i'd like to talk about your specific accusations about me, but more than anything else i'd like to talk about the scripture and see if we can't glorify God together
yes actually my copy of the forum includes the first post in this thread so i already read it.
i can see a post also marked #3, and i replied to it, and then you poured out a few cups of spite on me without ever addressing any of the points i made.
want me to quote & repost my earlier posts? i mean, they are right at the top of the page, so i don't really see why there is any need...
i can see a post also marked #3, and i replied to it, and then you poured out a few cups of spite on me without ever addressing any of the points i made.
want me to quote & repost my earlier posts? i mean, they are right at the top of the page, so i don't really see why there is any need...
See there, I took it you desired to post to the O.P. with some kind of honesty and this is your next post! You are just not much of a person of integrity as it is you whom spoke down to me in the first, then you speak of starting over and I post the O.P. only to see this. At this point what do you possibly think to say that in conversation with me? Nothing, which is what I am getting out of your twisting denials. by