Does God chose people?

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Channa

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He people :)
A few days ago I was reading my bible while I saw this:

Romans 9: 11,12:
Even before they were born or had done anything good or bad, the Lord told Rebekah that her older son would serve the younger one. The Lord said this to show that he makes his own choices and that it wasn't because of anything either of them had done.

Does this text say that we're already fated to go somewhere?
I know that God knows everything,
but that means that people can't be saved?

Its difficult.
I would love to hear your opinion
 
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Spokenpassage

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Yes, He chose us before the foundations of the world (Eph. 1:3-6).
No, there is no fate, everything is governed by God's sovereignty
We still have moral responsibilities as humans.
People can get saved, they need Jesus in order to be.

Edit: Don't look for opinions, look for biblical answers. :)
 
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Channa

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@Spokenpassage, sorry, i meant bibical answers indeed. But mostly people have diffrent views on it, thats what i meant. Views. ^-^
 
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He people :)
A few days ago I was reading my bible while I saw this:

Romans 9: 11,12:
Even before they were born or had done anything good or bad, the Lord told Rebekah that her older son would serve the younger one. The Lord said this to show that he makes his own choices and that it wasn't because of anything either of them had done.

Does this text say that we're already fated to go somewhere?
I know that God knows everything,
but that means that people can't be saved?

Its difficult.
I would love to hear your opinion

God chose a body, and that body is made up from anyone and everyone who is born again.
If God chose one person and not another, That would make Him a respecter of people,
And that would make Him a sinner, James 2: 9.
Salvation is for the whosever, John 3: 16.
 
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Yes, He chose us before the foundations of the world (Eph. 1:3-6).
No, there is no fate, everything is governed by God's sovereignty
We still have moral responsibilities as humans.
People can get saved, they need Jesus in order to be.

Edit: Don't look for opinions, look for biblical answers. :)




If God chose one person and not another, That would make Him a respecter of people,
And that would make Him a sinner, James 2: 9.
Salvation is for the whosever, John 3: 16.
 
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He people :)
A few days ago I was reading my bible while I saw this:

Romans 9: 11,12:
Even before they were born or had done anything good or bad, the Lord told Rebekah that her older son would serve the younger one. The Lord said this to show that he makes his own choices and that it wasn't because of anything either of them had done.

Does this text say that we're already fated to go somewhere?
I know that God knows everything,
but that means that people can't be saved?

Its difficult.
I would love to hear your opinion
This context in Rom 9 has nothing to do with salvation. Paul knows that God has rejected fleshly Israel from being His chosen people and Paul is refuting the idea the Jews had that God had to chose them simply because of fleshly descent, being children of Abraham. Paul shows that Edom (Esau) were as much the descendants of the son of promise, Isaac, the true son of Abraham, yet Edom was not chosen. So why should the Jews think God has to chose them simply on the basis of physical descent. Paul demonstrates that God does not have to base His choices/promise upon physical descent.

Even though fleshly Israel was chosen by God to be the nation God would use to bring the Messiah into the world, they still had to obey God to be saved. The majority did not therefore God ultimately rejected this once chosen people and grafted in the Gentiles.
 
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LT

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If God chose one person and not another, That would make Him a respecter of people,
And that would make Him a sinner, James 2: 9.
Salvation is for the whosever, John 3: 16.
no, 'respecter of persons' doesn't have to do with election... because election is not based on our merit.
either you don't understand election, or you don't know what being a 'respecter of persons' is.

You know that the Bible says clearly that God chooses, yet you would still make such a pointed accusation of God?!


"Who are you, oh man, to talk back to God?" -(look up that chapter)
 
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This context in Rom 9 has nothing to do with salvation. Paul knows that God has rejected fleshly Israel from being His chosen people and Paul is refuting the idea the Jews had that God had to chose them simply because of fleshly descent, being children of Abraham. Paul shows that Edom (Esau) were as much the descendants of the son of promise, Isaac, the true son of Abraham, yet Edom was not chosen. So why should the Jews think God has to chose them simply on the basis of physical descent. Paul demonstrates that God does not have to base His choices/promise upon physical descent.

Even though fleshly Israel was chosen by God to be the nation God would use to bring the Messiah into the world, they still had to obey God to be saved. The majority did not therefore God ultimately rejected this once chosen people and grafted in the Gentiles.
sry, but you are not reading the context, but taking out of the context one of the many applications.
The chapter as a whole continues to describe election and God's sovereignty, not Jews vs Gentiles, or obedience vs disobedience.
 
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Powemm

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Isaiah 49:7Thus says the*Lord, The Redeemer of Israel, their Holy One, To Him whom man despises, To Him whom the nation abhors, To the Servant of rulers: “Kings shall see and arise, Princes also shall worship, Because of the*Lord*who is faithful, The Holy One of Israel; And He has*chosen You.”God is always faithful.. He has chosen all of us.. He says "come".. but not all do..
 

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How does God choose people?

by how they behave.
 

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Judg 7:2 And the LORD said unto Gideon, The people that are with thee are too many for me to give the Midianites into their hands, lest Israel vaunt themselves against me, saying, Mine own hand hath saved me.
Judg 7:3 Now therefore go to, proclaim in the ears of the people, saying, Whosoever is fearful and afraid, let him return and depart early from mount Gilead. And there returned of the people twenty and two thousand; and there remained ten thousand.
Judg 7:4 And the LORD said unto Gideon, The people are yet too many; bring them down unto the water, and I will try them for thee there: and it shall be, that of whom I say unto thee, This shall go with thee, the same shall go with thee; and of whomsoever I say unto thee, This shall not go with thee, the same shall not go.
Judg 7:5 So he brought down the people unto the water: and the LORD said unto Gideon, Every one that lappeth of the water with his tongue, as a dog lappeth, him shalt thou set by himself; likewise every one that boweth down upon his knees to drink.
Judg 7:6 And the number of them that lapped, putting their hand to their mouth, were three hundred men: but all the rest of the people bowed down upon their knees to drink water.
Judg 7:7 And the LORD said unto Gideon, By the three hundred men that lapped will I save you, and deliver the Midianites into thine hand: and let all the other people go every man unto his place.

When some dont believe and read the old testament, Like Jesus told us to
then they get all confused about God
 

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God chooses people by how they behave.
 
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Joh_15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

Joh_15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

2Th_2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

1Pe_2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

Looks like God does CHOOSE...
 

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Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

the ones who are faithful to the bible and the commandments thats who he chooses.
 

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you are right
those who came out of the world are chosen
he shoses those who come out of the world
thanks for verifying
 

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He chose abraham because he obeyed
 

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BECAUSE he obeyed God, he chose him as being FAITHFUL
FAITHFUL is an action

the false baptist theology tries to make those faithful who God randomly selects this is anti-christbible

Read your bible more
 
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Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

the ones who are faithful to the bible and the commandments thats who he chooses.
then salvation is by works?
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then the chosen have the right to boast?
 

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2 Tim 2:4 No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.
2 Tim 2:5 And if a man also strive for masteries, yet is he not crowned, except he strive lawfully.


DOOD

striving is doing something