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No one should be attacked or reprimanded for ranting (I know you're not). Some people just won't be ruled by prim and proper religion.
Art students. Art students and artists tend to emanate rebellion and an overall dislike of God and His ways. It just comes off of them (not all of them). This is because unlike any other field, art is where you show off yourself and your work: YOU are literally on display when it comes to the arts. satan fell because of it (his beauty, his wisdom: him, his, him, his: art; this is what art is).
Yes, there's a lot to the overall story: calling, occult, etc. We have to start somewhere and stay there till we're ready to move on. This thread about a rant, however, is about just that-- a rant.
Art students. Art students and artists tend to emanate rebellion and an overall dislike of God and His ways. It just comes off of them (not all of them). This is because unlike any other field, art is where you show off yourself and your work: YOU are literally on display when it comes to the arts. satan fell because of it (his beauty, his wisdom: him, his, him, his: art; this is what art is).
Yes, there's a lot to the overall story: calling, occult, etc. We have to start somewhere and stay there till we're ready to move on. This thread about a rant, however, is about just that-- a rant.
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OK, got another rant..
Happening locally, a youth minister just got out of jail, (did about a year for impersonating an officer and other weird stuff). He holds a rally same day, and the turn out and support for this man is huge. Lots of kids, and their parents who say they support him no matter what. They seem to idolize him. He acts like a Hollywood preacher, jumps around on stage, plays wild music for all the crowd to dance around at his services, he's into drugs, very paranoid...says openly and often that the "higher ups" are after him.
Frankly, if this bozo can fool so many people, the anti-christ should have no problem.
Happening locally, a youth minister just got out of jail, (did about a year for impersonating an officer and other weird stuff). He holds a rally same day, and the turn out and support for this man is huge. Lots of kids, and their parents who say they support him no matter what. They seem to idolize him. He acts like a Hollywood preacher, jumps around on stage, plays wild music for all the crowd to dance around at his services, he's into drugs, very paranoid...says openly and often that the "higher ups" are after him.
Frankly, if this bozo can fool so many people, the anti-christ should have no problem.
I know that God's Love for me is far deeper than "for the Bible tells me so." Because of this, I can be myself since I know that He knows who I am and where I'm coming from. It's freeing to be free 
It's a real achievement to be okay with being misunderstood which comes from being aware of God's 'individualized Love' for you. David had it and showed it when his wife Michal tried to cut him down to size to which he responded, "[My dancing] was before the Lord... As for the maidens of whom you spoke, by them I will be held in high regard." Amen. Jesus showed the same when the Pharisees came to tell Him where He was 'missing it'. I like when God said to Moses, "I will do the very thing you have asked, because you have found Grace (special favor) in My sight, and I know you by name." Since He knows us all, we don't have to live in fear of what people will think of us but can be free to be who we are with all the attractive and the ugly in us. You only live once. Live. "Perfect Love casts out fear, because fear has to do with judgment" (1Jn. 4:18).
It's a real achievement to be okay with being misunderstood which comes from being aware of God's 'individualized Love' for you. David had it and showed it when his wife Michal tried to cut him down to size to which he responded, "[My dancing] was before the Lord... As for the maidens of whom you spoke, by them I will be held in high regard." Amen. Jesus showed the same when the Pharisees came to tell Him where He was 'missing it'. I like when God said to Moses, "I will do the very thing you have asked, because you have found Grace (special favor) in My sight, and I know you by name." Since He knows us all, we don't have to live in fear of what people will think of us but can be free to be who we are with all the attractive and the ugly in us. You only live once. Live. "Perfect Love casts out fear, because fear has to do with judgment" (1Jn. 4:18).
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I cannot stand those snotty art students. They are so, so full of themselves.
I was always so proud of my grandmother who was an artist, but she always drew or painted nature and then ended up being an excellent nature photographer. She would have slide shows for different churches and this to revel in God's natural beauty. So there is a difference and I wanted to point that out. Some art is good, some bad.
I was always so proud of my grandmother who was an artist, but she always drew or painted nature and then ended up being an excellent nature photographer. She would have slide shows for different churches and this to revel in God's natural beauty. So there is a difference and I wanted to point that out. Some art is good, some bad.
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My mother was an artist. She saw God's beauty everywhere, and was always giving Him glory.
I paint too, not nearly as well as she did. I occasionally do murals. Working with expectant mothers, painting the nursery is my favorite. It's an exciting time and very joyful being around young mothers. They as so sweet, so tender hearted for their unborn babies. It's usually a theme taken from the bedding. It may be cartoon characters, sometimes realistic animals. Fun stuff.
I paint too, not nearly as well as she did. I occasionally do murals. Working with expectant mothers, painting the nursery is my favorite. It's an exciting time and very joyful being around young mothers.
They as so sweet, so tender hearted for their unborn babies. It's usually a theme taken from the bedding. It may be cartoon characters, sometimes realistic animals. Fun stuff.
Oh Boy, can I rant about art? I am a very amateur artist, because I preferred being a mother, wife, etc. But at heart, I am an artist. You can see my work at my profile.
Not long ago I spent a week in the Pearl District in Portland, OR. exploring the latest the artists were doing and talking with those considered the best. Their work displayed discord, lack of grace of line, clash of colors. I love modern art that is a display of impressions of harmony and line, this work had no harmony. They said that anything of beauty was calendar art, and was worthless.
It is an artistic expression of the trend of our churches to say that we must not follow the harmony of the written law.
Not long ago I spent a week in the Pearl District in Portland, OR. exploring the latest the artists were doing and talking with those considered the best. Their work displayed discord, lack of grace of line, clash of colors. I love modern art that is a display of impressions of harmony and line, this work had no harmony. They said that anything of beauty was calendar art, and was worthless.
It is an artistic expression of the trend of our churches to say that we must not follow the harmony of the written law.
Regarding art, I don't want to paint a broad stroke (pun intended), but it's meant to fall on whoever it applies to: art, especially the performing arts, tends to make people lean so far into self that they can seem unrecoverable or irretrievable. I hate to call myself an artist, because my dad is one (professor of Fine Arts), and he relishes hating God and His Creation; but I do some art: drawing, fashion, fragrance, interior and other design, 'chefistry', etc. Art is fun, but it's scary to see the artists (which falls under everyone who 'creates something': architects, musicians, chefs, fashion designers, etc.) worship themselves or be worshiped. I used to work at Rooms to Go furniture showrooms, and this designer came in for a few weeks to shuffle things around. I was trying to help her put things together; when she realized that I knew a few things, she decided she didn't need my help since she had a degree in interior decoration and I didn't. But then everyone is territorial about their work, not just artists. Worship leaders can and often do fall into the art trap: "Look at me! It's all about me!"
I recently knew a guy who wanted to be a rock star in the world; he didn't make it, so now in the church, he wants to be a worship leader. His need to have groupies who worship him never left, and he walks around under the guidance of spirits posing as the Holy Spirit who tell him to do things that make him appear super spiritual, super important, and super special and get ignorant people to worship and fawn after him. There's some art for you. As far as I've seen, the arts are a pretty dangerous area if you want to avoid self-glory. It can of course be done, but when people applaud your creation, self-glory just tends to creep on a person before they know it.
I recently knew a guy who wanted to be a rock star in the world; he didn't make it, so now in the church, he wants to be a worship leader. His need to have groupies who worship him never left, and he walks around under the guidance of spirits posing as the Holy Spirit who tell him to do things that make him appear super spiritual, super important, and super special and get ignorant people to worship and fawn after him. There's some art for you. As far as I've seen, the arts are a pretty dangerous area if you want to avoid self-glory. It can of course be done, but when people applaud your creation, self-glory just tends to creep on a person before they know it.
Excellent thread and OP. I started a thread http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/66013-im-sick-arguing.html?highlight= June 5th 2013.
I was sick of it then, and am more so today. I have reported abuses, and have done my best to stay away from what I sincerely believe God hates. Guess what. I had to ask the mods to close the thread because arguments eventually prevailed about arguing plus other things that didn't even pertain to the thread.
Sad but true, most of the time (now) when I start a post with some meat, it goes to the second page before the day is done. I think either it's not interesting enough, or there is nothing that can be refuted, and/or most don't know much about the subject. Maybe it's my reputation, because of numerous reports to the mods concerning labels of degradation, like Judaizers, and legalizers.
I really only know one thing for sure. Edification in the proper way is all but extinct except for a few people who really care about what God thinks about us.
I was sick of it then, and am more so today. I have reported abuses, and have done my best to stay away from what I sincerely believe God hates. Guess what. I had to ask the mods to close the thread because arguments eventually prevailed about arguing plus other things that didn't even pertain to the thread.
Sad but true, most of the time (now) when I start a post with some meat, it goes to the second page before the day is done. I think either it's not interesting enough, or there is nothing that can be refuted, and/or most don't know much about the subject. Maybe it's my reputation, because of numerous reports to the mods concerning labels of degradation, like Judaizers, and legalizers.
I really only know one thing for sure. Edification in the proper way is all but extinct except for a few people who really care about what God thinks about us.
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we know everyone is a 'work of art',
it's really not about the subject, it's about your
relationship to a subject that paints a
masterpiece of your personality.
if you are an artist, craftsman, or whatever your talent is,
if you perform your tasks in a self/serving manner,
then you will hold yourself back from being
the very best that you can be.
((remember 'Shaker' furniture?)))
'Whatever you put your hand to, do it with all of your might....'
especially, 'do all things for the glory of God'...
it's really not about the subject, it's about your
relationship to a subject that paints a
masterpiece of your personality.
if you are an artist, craftsman, or whatever your talent is,
if you perform your tasks in a self/serving manner,
then you will hold yourself back from being
the very best that you can be.
((remember 'Shaker' furniture?)))
'Whatever you put your hand to, do it with all of your might....'
especially, 'do all things for the glory of God'...
Well you know its sad but its true that many people scare people away from Christianity because of the constant mocking belittling twisting ,, you name it Christianity is a ranting fear-mongers paradise.. now let just say we talk about the good news only, even then we get called fear-mongers by the ranters,, like say i preach the good news about Jesus promising the holy if you want to obey his commandments...now straight away by the ranters will say your a sinless perfection nut case,,
now a christian will respond your in danger of hell if you don't follow Jesus way,, which i believe is the Christians way of telling you he cares for you,, now the ranter will say is that not being a fear monger,, and the ranter will say your in the same league as a terrorist..
i was researching atheist ways and came across atheist forums,, i became a spy, like Jesus became jew to love the Jew,, ,(and no i did become an atheist literally i just jelled with the crowd. they target places like this site here i know.
they stuff like my mum told me i Jesus more than you,, so they never understand this and turn from God,, now is that Some a matture christian should say to those on milk ? poor Kid its no wonder she became an atheist...
now a christian will respond your in danger of hell if you don't follow Jesus way,, which i believe is the Christians way of telling you he cares for you,, now the ranter will say is that not being a fear monger,, and the ranter will say your in the same league as a terrorist..
i was researching atheist ways and came across atheist forums,, i became a spy, like Jesus became jew to love the Jew,, ,(and no i did become an atheist literally i just jelled with the crowd. they target places like this site here i know.
they stuff like my mum told me i Jesus more than you,, so they never understand this and turn from God,, now is that Some a matture christian should say to those on milk ? poor Kid its no wonder she became an atheist...
OOOP RE QUOTE
Well you know its sad but its true that many people scare people away from Christianity because of the constant mocking belittling twisting ,, you name it Christianity is a ranting fear-mongers paradise.. now let just say we talk about the good news only, even then we get called fear-mongers by the ranters,, like say i preach the good news about Jesus promising the holy if you want to obey his commandments...now straight away by the ranters will say your a sinless perfection nut case,,
now a christian will respond your in danger of going to hell if you don't follow Jesuses way,, which i believe is the Christians way of telling you he cares for you,, now the ranter will say is that not being a fear monger,, and the ranter will say your in the same league as a terrorist..
i was researching atheist ways and came across atheist forums,, i became a spy, like Jesus became jew to love the Jew,, ,(and no i did not become an atheist literally i just jelled with the crowd. they target places like this site here i know.
they SAY stuff,,,, like my mum told me i love Jesus more than you,, so they never understand this and turn away from God,, now is that what a mature christian should say to those on milk ? poor Kid its no wonder she became an atheist...
Well you know its sad but its true that many people scare people away from Christianity because of the constant mocking belittling twisting ,, you name it Christianity is a ranting fear-mongers paradise.. now let just say we talk about the good news only, even then we get called fear-mongers by the ranters,, like say i preach the good news about Jesus promising the holy if you want to obey his commandments...now straight away by the ranters will say your a sinless perfection nut case,,
now a christian will respond your in danger of going to hell if you don't follow Jesuses way,, which i believe is the Christians way of telling you he cares for you,, now the ranter will say is that not being a fear monger,, and the ranter will say your in the same league as a terrorist..
i was researching atheist ways and came across atheist forums,, i became a spy, like Jesus became jew to love the Jew,, ,(and no i did not become an atheist literally i just jelled with the crowd. they target places like this site here i know.
they SAY stuff,,,, like my mum told me i love Jesus more than you,, so they never understand this and turn away from God,, now is that what a mature christian should say to those on milk ? poor Kid its no wonder she became an atheist...
