Did Jesus have a Hebrew name? Really?

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danschance

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Did Jesus have a Hebrew name? If so, which one? Some call him Yeshua, some call Him Yashua and some call Him Yahoshua and a whole list of other names. They insist He had a Hebrew name yet the scripture only list his name in Greek as "ee-ay-soos".

There is not a shred of evidence that Jesus had a Hebrew name. Yet people insist He not only had a Hebrew name but we should call Him bu it. Is that Just snobbery?


At the time of Christ, Israel was fully Hellenized for hundreds of years. The common Israelite did not know how to speak Hebrew. Aramaic and Greek was the language in vogue. That is why the Septuagint so the common man could read and understand the OT.

Personalty, I have seen miracles happen when pray was invoked in Jesus name. So I don't Jesus cares if I call Him Jesus. Yet some want to call Him by a name they can not prove He had.
 
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danschance

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i don't know about whatever "sacred geometry" is found elsewhere on the website, but this link is an interesting article:
Evolution of the Name > Yehoshua > Ihsous > Iesus > Jesus
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That website simply makes the assertion that "HO-SH-U-A" is Jesus' name in Hebrew. Yet this website never claims how they arrived at that. Here is my question: If the NT scriptures reveals Jesus name as EE-AY-SOOS, why call him a hebrew name? Is Hebrew better than Greek or is it snobbery?
 

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Interesting thread, might I also add if I may. I have been thinking lately why do some people say certain things in Hebrew like Shalom something or other, why not just say it in english like everything else? Maybe it sounds holier to them? I dunno. Sorry kinda going off topic.
 
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danschance

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Interesting thread, might I also add if I may. I have been thinking lately why do some people say certain things in Hebrew like Shalom something or other, why not just say it in english like everything else? Maybe it sounds holier to them? I dunno. Sorry kinda going off topic.
My guess is snobbery. One language is not better than another. You can communicate in all of them. I had a man in the biblestudy room claim Hebrew is better than Greek and that is simply not true.
 

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My guess is snobbery. One language is not better than another. You can communicate in all of them. I had a man in the biblestudy room claim Hebrew is better than Greek and that is simply not true.
Wow really? Its just...a language. Some certainly sound better than others though! Lol
 
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That website simply makes the assertion that "HO-SH-U-A" is Jesus' name in Hebrew. Yet this website never claims how they arrived at that. Here is my question: If the NT scriptures reveals Jesus name as EE-AY-SOOS, why call him a hebrew name? Is Hebrew better than Greek or is it snobbery?
Snobbery? Those who die to self and take on Christ simply know of a Greek and Hebrew language, they aren't into connecting snobbery or not with that.

I don't know Greek and don't know Hebrew, but I do know Jesus is spoken of as being from the beginning, and the language at the beginning was Hebrew. I also know that scripture often talks about the meaning of names. Jacob's name was changed to Israel. It seems to me that if a Christian wants to be sure He is thinking of Christ correctly, and uses a certain name that from his study seems to say that, we are not to interfere.

Some people say that Allah and our God is the same. Using that name for God is certainly unacceptable.
 

posthuman

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My guess is snobbery. One language is not better than another. You can communicate in all of them. I had a man in the biblestudy room claim Hebrew is better than Greek and that is simply not true.

if i was put on the spot to choose a "best language of them all" i'd probably say Hebrew because it was the language of God's people, but i'd blow off the question saying the content of what's said in any language is more than the language itself.
it's probably linguistic snobbery, like you say - & i'll be the first to admit i love the Jewish people, and why not? the Lord chose Abraham and made the Hebrews His people, and sent His son Iesus, a Jew. call me whatever you want because of it, but i've got a natural affinity.

כל טוב
 
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danschance

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if i was put on the spot to choose a "best language of them all" i'd probably say Hebrew because it was the language of God's people, but i'd blow off the question saying the content of what's said in any language is more than the language itself.
it's probably linguistic snobbery, like you say - & i'll be the first to admit i love the Jewish people, and why not? the Lord chose Abraham and made the Hebrews His people, and sent His son Iesus, a Jew. call me whatever you want because of it, but i've got a natural affinity.

כל טוב
I agree that we should love the Jews but we are also called to love our enemies. Hebrew is a good languge but so is Greek. They both have some interesting similarities. The letters can also be numbers in both Greek and Hebrew. The OT was written to the Israelites and it is in thhier languge, of course. The NT was written to all believers everywhere and at the time, Greek was the best way to reach the many people.

A few insist that the NT was written in Hebrew and there is even a "Hebrew-ized" NT which inserts Hebrew names for people and they change "kurios" into Yeshua and Other Hebrew names for God. What is so wrong with the way God wrote the NT that we have to change Greek terms into Hebrew terms? Honestly, it feels like snobbery to me.
 
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............ (1)Those who die to self and take on Christ simply know of a Greek and Hebrew language, they aren't into connecting snobbery or not with that.

(2)I don't know Greek and don't know Hebrew, but I do know Jesus is spoken of as being from the beginning, and the language at the beginning was Hebrew.................... (3)Some people say that Allah and our God is the same. Using that name for God is certainly unacceptable.
1. How can you claim to take on Christ when you refuse to accept Paul's gospel? He got it from Christ, you know: " Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment: [SUP] [/SUP]It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul"
2. Spoken of, but not named.
3. Why is using allah unacceptable? The bible doesn't tell us not to use it. No more so than it tells us to address Christ by yeshua, or any other name besides Jesus Christ, now does it?
 
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danschance

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Snobbery? Those who die to self and take on Christ simply know of a Greek and Hebrew language, they aren't into connecting snobbery or not with that.

I don't know Greek and don't know Hebrew, but I do know Jesus is spoken of as being from the beginning, and the language at the beginning was Hebrew. I also know that scripture often talks about the meaning of names. Jacob's name was changed to Israel. It seems to me that if a Christian wants to be sure He is thinking of Christ correctly, and uses a certain name that from his study seems to say that, we are not to interfere.

Some people say that Allah and our God is the same. Using that name for God is certainly unacceptable.
If we call on God in Hebrew will He answer faster? Will He love us more? Will God be closer to us if we pray in Hebrew? Is there any advantage in calling Jesus "Jahoshuah"? The answer to all these questions is "No", so why do it? Could it be snobbery?
 

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Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
 

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There are some words in certainly languages that simply cannot be translated. I mean, you can use English words to describe a word in, say, German, but the REAL meaning gets lost in translation. Case in point: the German word innig can be described as an innermost feeling or emotion, but the real meaning of innig is innig. Same thing with the French word formidable. Yes, in English we can say formidable, but the French formidable has just an extra connotation to it that cannot be described or translated.

I think I feel a little bit like that for the Hebrew word shalom. We can translate it as peace, but shalom seems to have an extra something to it.

Getting back to the OP, I have no idea whether Jesus was called Yeshua or any other variant. I can see the mutation from Yeshua to Jesus, however.
 
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chubbena

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My guess is snobbery. One language is not better than another. You can communicate in all of them. I had a man in the biblestudy room claim Hebrew is better than Greek and that is simply not true.
Snobbery is discriminating anything associate with Jews or the language. If one thinks trying to speak in and understand his Jewish name is bad, would he think worse if someone try to understand the scripture in original Hebrew or Greek languages?
You have been stirring unnecessary strife by raising questions such as this and you are probably not satisfied until everyone in the world speaks nothing but English in your new world order.
 

iamsoandso

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Did Jesus have a Hebrew name? If so, which one? Some call him Yeshua, some call Him Yashua and some call Him Yahoshua and a whole list of other names. They insist He had a Hebrew name yet the scripture only list his name in Greek as "ee-ay-soos".

There is not a shred of evidence that Jesus had a Hebrew name. Yet people insist He not only had a Hebrew name but we should call Him bu it. Is that Just snobbery?


At the time of Christ, Israel was fully Hellenized for hundreds of years. The common Israelite did not know how to speak Hebrew. Aramaic and Greek was the language in vogue. That is why the Septuagint so the common man could read and understand the OT.

Personalty, I have seen miracles happen when pray was invoked in Jesus name. So I don't Jesus cares if I call Him Jesus. Yet some want to call Him by a name they can not prove He had.

i thought about this very matter years ago and wondered how his name was rendered in the oldest manuscripts i could find,,,, CHURCH FATHERS: Against Heresies, I.3 (St. Irenaeus) "LOOK CLOSE AT VERSE 2",,,,this was written by Irenaeus in about ad170,,,he is arguing about the manner of changes made in the copy of Revelations made by Valentinus it is a commentary on the book of rev. that Valentinus wrote prior to ad170 so it was written (ad140-169?) and is the copy where the mark is depicted (616) instead of 666 as we know it Papyrus 115 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ,,,,,


in the third line from the top(picture of fragment) you will see,,,,,,(H X i C),,with a line above the "H"(which is upper case),,,eta then a space,,,,the next word begins,"x",chi(khee),,,then the third letter from the left "iota",then the 4th letter "looks like C",,but has a down stroke at the bottom which is "stigma" rendering the number "616" instead of "666",,,

so this text(fragment 115) was altered by valentinus to render the name of "Jesus" (in greek),,,,,,,,,,,,so according to two sources,,"valentinus,a gnostic heratic",,,and Irenaeus,a christian bishop ,,,,,,beggining from the destruction of the temple ad70,,,to ad170 is 100 years,,then go back to when Valentinus could have written his commentary on Revelations to about ad 150?,,,so within the first 80 years of the church both the believer and the non believer referred to "Jesus",,,whith the greek form of his name "ee-aa-soos",,,,,,,,enough that one would not bother to change scripture to another launguage,,and the christian to defend it in any other than greek,,,,,
 
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danschance

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Snobbery is discriminating anything associate with Jews or the language. If one thinks trying to speak in and understand his Jewish name is bad, would he think worse if someone try to understand the scripture in original Hebrew or Greek languages?
You have been stirring unnecessary strife by raising questions such as this and you are probably not satisfied until everyone in the world speaks nothing but English in your new world order.
Snobbery is viewing something with undeserved contempt.

Those who insist on using a Hebrew name for a NT name clearly has an agenda. Greek is a very detailed precise language. Ron Rhodes an apologist who speaks Greek says "Greek is like looking at a picture in color while English is like looking at the same picture in black and white". So according to the experts, there is nothing wrong with Greek, yet some insist on using Hebrew names for God. Why? I think it is snobbery.

Keep in mind I am not saying anything about Hebrew. I am specifically wondering hy some insist on calling Jesus by a Hebrew name when the NT is not written in Hebrew.
 
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1. How can you claim to take on Christ when you refuse to accept Paul's gospel? He got it from Christ, you know: " Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment: It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul"
2. Spoken of, but not named.
3. Why is using allah unacceptable? The bible doesn't tell us not to use it. No more so than it tells us to address Christ by yeshua, or any other name besides Jesus Christ, now does it?
I see you as giving Paul ideas that Paul never, ever had. When Paul said that we do not have to do the physical laws, you claim that Paul was against the very natural of the universe as God explains it. Paul was never against God.

It is like your saying why not call God Allah? Could you say why not call God Satan?

Why do you insist you are Christian and act as you do? To make a personal fight!!! What!! have I done to you to make you act this way? I believe in the Lord, is that what you have against me? I answer you because your fight against me is a fight against scripture. Other people read these things you say.
 
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danschance

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When Paul said that we do not have to do the physical laws, you claim that Paul was against the very natural of the universe as God explains it.

Well that is odd. I read what he wrote and never got that he claimed God is against the universe.
 

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A couple of articles/sites you all may find interesting:



Jesus knows Who He is and Who we’re referring to – just as He knows Who He is when others in other languages refer to Him as Jesus or their languages’ equivalent:

Afrikaans – Jesus
Albanian – Jezusi
Arabic – `Isà عيسى (Islamic) / Yasū`(a) يسوع (Christian)
Aragonese – Chesús
Azerbaijani – İsa
Bengali – যীশু
Bosnian – Isus
Breton – Jezuz
Catalan – Jesús
Chinese – 耶稣 (Simplified), 耶穌 (Traditional) – Yesu (Mandarin), Yasu (Cantonese)
Cornish – Yesu
Croatian – Isus
Czech – Ježíš
Dutch – Jezus
Estonian – Jeesus
Filipino – Hesus/Hesukristo
Finnish – Jeesus
French – Jésus
Galician – Xesús
Greek – Ιησούς (Iisoús modern Greek pronunciation)
Haitian Creole – Jezi
Hawaiian – Jesu
Hebrew – Yeshu ישו (Jewish, secular) / Yeshua יֵשׁוּעַ (Christian)
Hmong Daw – Yexus
Hungarian – Jézus
Indonesia – Yesus (Christian) / Isa (Islamic)
Irish – Íosa
Italian – Gesù
Japanese – イエス (Iesu)
Kazakh – Иса (Isa)
Korean – 예수 (Yesu)
Kurdish – Îsa
Latvian – Jēzus
Ligurian – Gesû
Limburgish – Zjezus
Lithuanian – Jėzus
Lombard – Gesü
मराठी-Marathi – येशू -Yeshu
Malayalam – ഈശോ – Eesho,യേശു -Yeshu
Mirandese – Jasus
Maltese – Ġesù
Neapolitan – Gèsù
Norman – Jésus
Occitan – Jèsus
Piedmontese – Gesù
Polish – Jezus
Portuguese – Jesus
Romanian – Isus
Russian – Иисус (Iisus)
Sardinian – Gesùs
Serbian – Исус (Isus)
Sicilian – Gesù
Scottish Gaelic – Ìosa
Slovak – Ježiš
Slovenian – Jezus
Spanish – Jesús
Tajik – Исо (Iso)
Tamil – இயேசு – Yesu
Telugu – Yesu
Thai – เยซู – “Yesu”
Turkish – İsa
Turkmen – Isa
Ukrainian – Ісус (Isus)
Uzbek – Iso
Venetian – Jesu
Vietnamese – Chúa Giêsu
Welsh – Iesu
Zulu – uJesu
Sinhala – ජේසුස් වහන්සේ- *jeesus wahanse


It’s been my observation that most folks that hold to a sacred name position have the idea that using any other than the ‘name that Yeshua’s mother gave him’ is disrespectful.

In reality, however, for a name to be transliterated into so many languages – and the meaning of Who He is – is a sign of great respect and honor! And God recognizes and honors the nations (which possess unique languages and cultures):

Revelation 21:22-27
22 I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23 The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp. 24 The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it. 25 On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there. 26 The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it. 27 Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.



The substance of what is happening in Revelation 21 is the Glory of God, not the language by which those of the nations refer to God/Jesus. Anyway, enough about that. If you want to call Him YHWH/Yeshua or God/Jesus, I think that either is that either is fine; God/Jesus/Holy Spirit is/are smart enough to figure out Who we’re talking/praying/referring to.

-JGIG
 

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nice,

耶 穌 LIVES!!

amen!