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I believe we are saved by believing, deep in our hearts, that Christ died on the cross for our sins and was raised by God the Father, the Almighty Creator of everything that was, is and ever will be.
I struggle with this because my parents are both gone and I can't say for sure that they believed that. I only came to Christ 5 years ago which was 2 years after my mom passed. She never prayed, didn't believe God had anything to do with our lives here on earth and that when someone died that was it. Nothing more. So I pray that she did know God in her heart after all and I will see her when I see Jesus.
I can't get a pastor to tell me definitively one way or the other, so I am "casting this care to God".
I struggle with this because my parents are both gone and I can't say for sure that they believed that. I only came to Christ 5 years ago which was 2 years after my mom passed. She never prayed, didn't believe God had anything to do with our lives here on earth and that when someone died that was it. Nothing more. So I pray that she did know God in her heart after all and I will see her when I see Jesus.
I can't get a pastor to tell me definitively one way or the other, so I am "casting this care to God".
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I think "trinity" is a doctrine of man. If in fact it is so, why did Messiah not correct this man...?...
Mark12:
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all? [SUP]29 [/SUP]And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: [SUP]30 [/SUP]and thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. [SUP]31 [/SUP]And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. [SUP]32 [/SUP]And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he: [SUP]33 [/SUP]and to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices. [SUP]34 [/SUP]And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.
...and why was there no controversy about "trinity" among the converted Jews, which was taught from youths the LORD thy God is one Lord?
..and this:
[SUP]32 [/SUP]But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
God is all knowing, and here we see Messiah did not know that hour?
I'd rather stay to what the Word says, and not add to it. I've researched the "origins" of trinity, and find it wanting.
Mark12:
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all? [SUP]29 [/SUP]And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: [SUP]30 [/SUP]and thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. [SUP]31 [/SUP]And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. [SUP]32 [/SUP]And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he: [SUP]33 [/SUP]and to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices. [SUP]34 [/SUP]And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.
...and why was there no controversy about "trinity" among the converted Jews, which was taught from youths the LORD thy God is one Lord?
..and this:
[SUP]32 [/SUP]But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
God is all knowing, and here we see Messiah did not know that hour?
I'd rather stay to what the Word says, and not add to it. I've researched the "origins" of trinity, and find it wanting.
God did not set this trinity as salvation doctrine. How much do you know about this man made story. BEING SAVED power is from the faith that God sent his son for our sin. Do not put any doctrine s as blocker or conditions before the faith. If any churches or any man keep insisting that accepting this man made doctrine as part of salvation, he or the churches are adding or twisting the truth. The trinity doctrine has no life virtue. It is merely God's identity. It may be right or wrong. God will not kill or bless people by testing or the base on that how well believers of Jesus know God's identity. Do not be black or white.
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And lookie here, the non believer arrives to enlighten us...........sigh............ How exactly does one believe in Jesus and not believe in God the Father and God the Holy Spirit..............??? People need to read what Jesus said...........belief in the Holy Trinity is necessary...........sorry..........As for "human ignorance," that is exactly why the Holy Spirit came to us.........to teach us all we need to know.........If a believer has the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit, they will not be "ignorant" of the reality of the Holy Trinity...........pretty simple.
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My dog is a canine being but not a person (regardless of what she may think.) One being, no persons.
I am one human being and one person.
God is one Being but three Persons. He can do that because he's God and I and my dog are not.
Jesus said, "For if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins." John 8:24b. The word "he" was supplied by the KJV translators. The Greek text says simply, "If you do not believe that I AM, you shall die in your sins." See Exodus 3:14. Jesus was declaring his deity and making a condition of accepting Him as Savior.
I am one human being and one person.
God is one Being but three Persons. He can do that because he's God and I and my dog are not.
Jesus said, "For if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins." John 8:24b. The word "he" was supplied by the KJV translators. The Greek text says simply, "If you do not believe that I AM, you shall die in your sins." See Exodus 3:14. Jesus was declaring his deity and making a condition of accepting Him as Savior.
If once they repented/believed the Gospel they would then receive the Holy Spirit Who is the Author of Scripture. Having the Author of Scripture abiding in them ,when they were taught the Truth of the Deity of the Persons of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit yet comprising the One God it would resonate compared to something that teaches three Gods.
I am a "non Trinitarian." I am saved. God is infinite not trinite. I agree fully with the word and see clearly scripture reveals Father, Son and Spirit each as GOD; however, scripture also reveals God as infinite and never as trinite. Calling God a trinity could easily be construed as blasphemous as it (in my opinion) diminishes God from infinite to trinite. At best it is a weak watered down doctrine that men have produced to try to fit God into their heads. I make no judgments upon others no matter what they believe however I do consider that it is very dangerous for anyone to condemn others that they do not know. The measure we use will be used upon us. I worship the infinite One true God who is the creator of all things and the author of life. Certainly God has revealed himself to us as Father Son and Spirit and also as infinite. It is my choice to consider God as infinite and revealed as three and as seven. Three persons, Father Son and Spirit but also as Seven Spirits. All of these are God and for now we see in a mirror dimly. We can only come to a knowledge of God in this life because we are finite we can not come to KNOW the infinite we can only imagine. All Glory honor power and praise always be to our God and father from whom all good things come.