Concealing a matter is a matter of forgiveness

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Spokenpassage

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"He who conceals a transgression seeks love, but he who repeats a matter separates intimate friends." - Prov. 17:9

Have you ever been forgiven by someone of something you did wrong, but then have the matter brought up against you by that same person in the future? Or have you been in that situation of bringing up something you forgiven someone to use against them?

"He who conceals a transgression seeks love, but he who repeats a matter separates intimate friends." - Prov. 17:9
 
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Spokenpassage said:
"He who conceals a transgression seeks love, but he who repeats a matter separates intimate friends." - Prov. 17:9

Have you ever been forgiven by someone of something you did wrong, but then have the matter brought up against you by that same person in the future? Or have you been in that situation of bringing up something you forgiven someone to use against them?

"He who conceals a transgression seeks love, but he who repeats a matter separates intimate friends." - Prov. 17:9
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I think the first part is the point to be made. What exactly is LOVE? Prov. 17:9 is a way of explaining LOVE. Love is the absence of FEAR.

1 John 4:18
There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
 
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I think the first part is the point to be made. What exactly is LOVE? Prov. 17:9 is a way of explaining LOVE. Love is the absence of FEAR.

1 John 4:18
There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
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You make a good point, if the person dwells on that offense, they aren't perfected in love for that person are they? I'm curious of how fear is put into here, wanna help me out?

"We love, because He first loved us." - 1 John 4:19 NAS
 
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I've thought I'd been forgiven by people, only to find out at a later date that I'd evidently not. I've forgiven people, but then mentioned it again, altho usually I do that for a laugh and maybe a free lunch ;)

This came from something Joyce Meyer wrote, relax people I'm not a follower but I think she's got a point with this:

Mark 11:22-26 clearly teaches us that unforgiveness hinders our faith from working. The Father can't forgive our sins if we don't forgive other people. We reap what we sow. Sow mercy, and you'll reap mercy; sow judgment, and you'll reap judgment. So do yourself a favor—and forgive. There are still more benefits of forgiveness. Your fellowship with God flows freely when you're willing to forgive, but it gets blocked by unforgiveness. Forgiveness also keeps Satan from getting an advantage over us (see 2 Corinthians 2:10-11). Ephesians 4:26-27 tells us not to let the sun go down on our anger or give the devil any such foothold or opportunity. Remember that the devil must have a foothold before he can get a stronghold. Do not help Satan torture you. Be quick to forgive.

And once forgiven, forget. 'cept for that occasional free lunch!

 
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Spokenpassage said:
You make a good point, if the person dwells on that offense, they aren't perfected in love for that person are they? I'm curious of how fear is put into here, wanna help me out?

"We love, because He first loved us." - 1 John 4:19 NAS
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Its not the transgression that is important...it's the knowing God's love that is the reason for all these scripture. The person must be free to live without the inward coping or thought of transgression. Just straight experience of encounter in the moment perpetual forever. Just as the absence of fear is perfect love so is the absence of love perfect fear, separation from God in Sin.
 
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It is very difficult to forgive people because I find myself resentful when I know I should not be.
I have found strength in prayer, and asking Jesus to come into my heart, then I am able to forget the hurt.
 
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RickyZ said:
I've thought I'd been forgiven by people, only to find out at a later date that I'd evidently not. I've forgiven people, but then mentioned it again, altho usually I do that for a laugh and maybe a free lunch ;)

This came from something Joyce Meyer wrote, relax people I'm not a follower but I think she's got a point with this:

Mark 11:22-26 clearly teaches us that unforgiveness hinders our faith from working. The Father can't forgive our sins if we don't forgive other people. We reap what we sow. Sow mercy, and you'll reap mercy; sow judgment, and you'll reap judgment. So do yourself a favor—and forgive. There are still more benefits of forgiveness. Your fellowship with God flows freely when you're willing to forgive, but it gets blocked by unforgiveness. Forgiveness also keeps Satan from getting an advantage over us (see 2 Corinthians 2:10-11). Ephesians 4:26-27 tells us not to let the sun go down on our anger or give the devil any such foothold or opportunity. Remember that the devil must have a foothold before he can get a stronghold. Do not help Satan torture you. Be quick to forgive.

And once forgiven, forget. 'cept for that occasional free lunch!
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After a while, they might not want to invite you for lunch lol!

I do believe it has a profound effect on us. That flow of fellowship must be clear before God. I believe God always finds His way for us to forgive, even to a point of harsh conviction. Man, who can resist God's amazing grace! :D
 
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jag1977 said:
Its not the transgression that is important...it's the knowing God's love that is the reason for all these scripture. The person must be free to live without the inward coping or thought of transgression. Just straight experience of encounter in the moment perpetual forever. Just as the absence of fear is perfect love so is the absence of love perfect fear, separation from God in Sin.
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I think both are important, because it teaches us a deeper truth in love that abides in us and relationships with each other. Gives you a deeper glimpse of how precious and special a relationship is, by how even a small matter can effect it. I don't say God is the cause of evil, but He has perfectly given us life applications through experiences in a lot of areas in our lives. Sometimes to even share it with those who struggle with it themselves.
 
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richardharmon said:
It is very difficult to forgive people because I find myself resentful when I know I should not be.
I have found strength in prayer, and asking Jesus to come into my heart, then I am able to forget the hurt.
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Matthew 11:28-30 NASB

"Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light."
 
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Spokenpassage said:
"He who conceals a transgression seeks love, but he who repeats a matter separates intimate friends." - Prov. 17:9

Have you ever been forgiven by someone of something you did wrong, but then have the matter brought up against you by that same person in the future? Or have you been in that situation of bringing up something you forgiven someone to use against them?

"He who conceals a transgression seeks love, but he who repeats a matter separates intimate friends." - Prov. 17:9
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I love this verse...I loaned a friend 7000 dollars and ended up forgiving the debt for my own sanity...later the friend was going off the rails on a mutual friend and it was all I could do to not insert it into my rebuke of him.
 
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It is easier to say you forgive someone but harder to forget what they did.
 
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Its not easy to forgive a person that has betrayed your trust.
But its good to forgive,because
it keeps a person from letting bitterness drag them down,but as for as forgetting,imo a person will remember.
 
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