Money, Coffee, and Selfish Christians

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Maybe I will write a book with the above title someday (it sounds interesting and would probably grab a lot of people's attention)... or better yet write a screenplay. A screenplay on this topic will probably have me crucified by about 80% of churches in America. Money, coffee, and selfish Christians. What's that about?

I hate to keep pointing out that today we as Americans (Western nations basically) are encouraged and taught to not think-- to not be proactive-- but to instead sort of just allow info. in and info. out-- to be reactive. In other words, we are people full of knowledge (which means we know a lot of things) but who don't really think about things (which means we don't understand much about what we know); we rarely ever consider things but take things at face value and don't see beyond the veneer, facade, front, or face. This is for you Christians who aren't afraid to think scientifically or to use logic, reason, and observational skills (as well as for those who have never thought about any of this if they will observe it).

I have noticed that there are two things that tend to make Christians in America almost immediately transform: money and coffee. Yes. Let me explain:

1. Money first. If you take an average Christian and make him a leader of some kind-- pastor, worship leader, Sunday school teacher, etc.-- he or she remains approachable, normal, human for the most part. As soon as they begin to get paid, they almost immediately transform. It is unreal. Furthermore, when money is included in the equation, it changes the way a Christian thinks. A Christian counselor, for instance, who could once freely counsel others now requires money to see a person and cannot fathom that while he or she perhaps should be paid for their work and hours, it is wrong to turn away a person who cannot afford to pay. Money tends to blind Christians to the obvious as it draws out the selfishness in him or her. There are many ways to test this one being to ask a paid minister if he would still minister without pay.

2. Coffee. Coffee is like satan's favorite drink or something. While we all know that 'money changes people' (it really doesn't; it draws the self-centered nature to the fore and out of hiding), probably no one has yet noticed that coffee tends to absolutely transform Christians or perhaps I should say Christian settings. There is a comfort resident in coffee that makes people in general and Christians in particular want to 'relax'. The problem with this in Christian circles is that it draws out the human self-centered nature which is directly contrary to the Spirit and the things of God. So, what does this look like practically? You can actually study this and it will blow your socks off (to think that a simple drink can decide the spiritual atmosphere or the reception or rejection of the Lord seems like quite a stretch, but believe me it's not theory): gather a group of Christians to a prayer meeting, cell group, Bible study, anything; tell them it's a gathering where you will be seeking God (i.e. doing something 'spiritual' like prayer, Bible reading, etc.). Let them get together, sit down; start leading the conversation to the things of God. The spiritual climate will begin to change. Introduce some snacks and juice or soda as you continue talking about the things of God. When several minutes (about fifteen) have passed, then introduce coffee. The results are beyond shocking (generally). Anyone who knows how to sense the Lord's presence will be surprised that if the Holy Spirit is around, He begins to leave when coffee is introduced. How can this possibly be? Is this possible? Can such a claim be made? What happens is that coffee, again, tends to 'relax' people (and it's almost like a god in itself; it's not a god at all, it only feeds the god called fleshly comfort); it makes people 'me-focused'. Because the flesh strives against the Spirit and the Spirit against the flesh, when coffee begins to caress and soothe the flesh, the flesh will surface more (the one you feed more (flesh or spirit) is the one that will have the preeminence), and the Holy Spirit will naturally pull back or pull away. If anyone is discerning or wants to observe things like this, you will note that churches that make serving coffee an intrinsic part of their system will pretty much always tend to be completely superficial and, while often Charismatic churches that 'welcome the Holy Spirit' really dwell in the soul and a self-centered 'gimme, gimme, gimme' attitude toward God. Ladies and gentlemen, this is very real, a study that I would be willing to present anywhere and at any time.

This, of course, isn't saying that money and coffee are bad; however, their effects on Christians are some that I have continually observed much to my dismay... especially coffee. Coffee is almost like its own alcohol and, for those who know how to distinguish flesh from spirit, makes Christians appear to be evil... like, for real; for this reason, I call apparently superficial churches 'Starbucks Churches' or obviously superficial Christians 'iPhone Christians' (because of the superficiality that Starbucks and such coffee places (and iPhone, etc.) engender and encourage in people): they operate constantly in the flesh (gimme, gimme, gimme) and the soul (feelings or the flesh's alternative for the Holy Spirit) and say that because the Holy Spirit operates through gifts among them then it means they're 'doing it right'. It's plain outstanding. They have some of these shows on TV about paranormal investigators and such. Those guys barely know what they're doing; however, there is a way in Christ to observe the spiritual climates of places especially among Christians. God has really linked the natural and spiritual so that everything is within reach: you can take a pad and pen (research material) and go into Christian circles starting with churches and observe things in both the natural (what your natural senses can sense) and the spiritual (what some people call 'vibes'). I responded to a thread and thought I'd share this. People who want to be proactive or who are willing to consider things and see beyond the facade will be learning a lot more than everyone else and will be making sense of things way before those things make sense to others (you'd be surprised the changes in spiritual atmosphere from low-income neighborhoods to middle-upper class ones, etc.; new science). Makes sense to me ;) Now, on to more important things... Where's the other half of me :)
 
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Maybe I will write a book with the above title someday (it sounds interesting and would probably grab a lot of people's attention)... or better yet write a screenplay. A screenplay on this topic will probably have me crucified by about 80% of churches in America. Money, coffee, and selfish Christians. What's that about?

I hate to keep pointing out that today we as Americans (Western nations basically) are encouraged and taught to not think-- to not be proactive-- but to instead sort of just allow info. in and info. out-- to be reactive. In other words, we are people full of knowledge (which means we know a lot of things) but who don't really think about things (which means we don't understand much about what we know); we rarely ever consider things but take things at face value and don't see beyond the veneer, facade, front, or face. This is for you Christians who aren't afraid to think scientifically or to use logic, reason, and observational skills (as well as for those who have never thought about any of this if they will observe it).

I have noticed that there are two things that tend to make Christians in America almost immediately transform: money and coffee. Yes. Let me explain:

1. Money first. If you take an average Christian and make him a leader of some kind-- pastor, worship leader, Sunday school teacher, etc.-- he or she remains approachable, normal, human for the most part. As soon as they begin to get paid, they almost immediately transform. It is unreal. Furthermore, when money is included in the equation, it changes the way a Christian thinks. A Christian counselor, for instance, who could once freely counsel others now requires money to see a person and cannot fathom that while he or she perhaps should be paid for their work and hours, it is wrong to turn away a person who cannot afford to pay. Money tends to blind Christians to the obvious as it draws out the selfishness in him or her. There are many ways to test this one being to ask a paid minister if he would still minister without pay.

2. Coffee. Coffee is like satan's favorite drink or something. While we all know that 'money changes people' (it really doesn't; it draws the self-centered nature to the fore and out of hiding), probably no one has yet noticed that coffee tends to absolutely transform Christians or perhaps I should say Christian settings. There is a comfort resident in coffee that makes people in general and Christians in particular want to 'relax'. The problem with this in Christian circles is that it draws out the human self-centered nature which is directly contrary to the Spirit and the things of God. So, what does this look like practically? You can actually study this and it will blow your socks off (to think that a simple drink can decide the spiritual atmosphere or the reception or rejection of the Lord seems like quite a stretch, but believe me it's not theory): gather a group of Christians to a prayer meeting, cell group, Bible study, anything; tell them it's a gathering where you will be seeking God (i.e. doing something 'spiritual' like prayer, Bible reading, etc.). Let them get together, sit down; start leading the conversation to the things of God. The spiritual climate will begin to change. Introduce some snacks and juice or soda as you continue talking about the things of God. When several minutes (about fifteen) have passed, then introduce coffee. The results are beyond shocking (generally). Anyone who knows how to sense the Lord's presence will be surprised that if the Holy Spirit is around, He begins to leave when coffee is introduced. How can this possibly be? Is this possible? Can such a claim be made? What happens is that coffee, again, tends to 'relax' people (and it's almost like a god in itself; it's not a god at all, it only feeds the god called fleshly comfort); it makes people 'me-focused'. Because the flesh strives against the Spirit and the Spirit against the flesh, when coffee begins to caress and soothe the flesh, the flesh will surface more (the one you feed more (flesh or spirit) is the one that will have the preeminence), and the Holy Spirit will naturally pull back or pull away. If anyone is discerning or wants to observe things like this, you will note that churches that make serving coffee an intrinsic part of their system will pretty much always tend to be completely superficial and, while often Charismatic churches that 'welcome the Holy Spirit' really dwell in the soul and a self-centered 'gimme, gimme, gimme' attitude toward God. Ladies and gentlemen, this is very real, a study that I would be willing to present anywhere and at any time.

This, of course, isn't saying that money and coffee are bad; however, their effects on Christians are some that I have continually observed much to my dismay... especially coffee. Coffee is almost like its own alcohol and, for those who know how to distinguish flesh from spirit, makes Christians appear to be evil... like, for real; for this reason, I call apparently superficial churches 'Starbucks Churches' or obviously superficial Christians 'iPhone Christians' (because of the superficiality that Starbucks and such coffee places (and iPhone, etc.) engender and encourage in people): they operate constantly in the flesh (gimme, gimme, gimme) and the soul (feelings or the flesh's alternative for the Holy Spirit) and say that because the Holy Spirit operates through gifts among them then it means they're 'doing it right'. It's plain outstanding. They have some of these shows on TV about paranormal investigators and such. Those guys barely know what they're doing; however, there is a way in Christ to observe the spiritual climates of places especially among Christians. God has really linked the natural and spiritual so that everything is within reach: you can take a pad and pen (research material) and go into Christian circles starting with churches and observe things in both the natural (what your natural senses can sense) and the spiritual (what some people call 'vibes'). I responded to a thread and thought I'd share this. People who want to be proactive or who are willing to consider things and see beyond the facade will be learning a lot more than everyone else and will be making sense of things way before those things make sense to others (you'd be surprised the changes in spiritual atmosphere from low-income neighborhoods to middle-upper class ones, etc.; new science). Makes sense to me ;) Now, on to more important things... Where's the other half of me :)

Money talks, and money silences...
 
I happen to love coffee. I think I will go to my local Dunkin' Donuts and order a double espresso and an apple fritter. America runs on Dunkin'.
 
I happen to love coffee. I think I will go to my local Dunkin' Donuts and order a double espresso and an apple fritter. America runs on Dunkin'.

A lot of people love coffee; its general effects on Christians (especially while in 'a religious setting': church, Bible study, prayer) are just plain remarkable. There are certain things we eat, drink, etc., that are natural aphrodisiacs, etc. It's not a stretch to say that coffee has a way of comforting a person and therefore often moving the person's self or flesh to take preeminence over their spirit. Alcohol isn't bad; but it can do some pretty bad things. However, alcohol's effects are more naturally observed: crashes, rage, loss of control and home and family, etc.; coffee has the same level of effect pretty much, but only in the spirit as spirit compares to flesh (i.e. when you go to compare a person walking in the Spirit to a person after the flesh). Drinking coffee or alcohol won't land people in eternal prison cells, but man do they BOTH have effect!!
 
funny i was just reading about how coffee (well actually caffeine - equivalent of 5 cups per day of joe) reverses alzheimers-related memory loss in mice. . .

my church serves coffee & etc before worship service on sundays. i've never gone to the cafeteria to take part in it -- i'm not there for snacks
:p
now i want to go & watch though! thanks for the things to think about.
 
I happen to love coffee. I think I will go to my local Dunkin' Donuts and order a double espresso and an apple fritter. America runs on Dunkin'.

Well, Dunkin' seemed to come up here with its outlets. Then they seemed to close down again and go back to America.
 
funny i was just reading about how coffee (well actually caffeine - equivalent of 5 cups per day of joe) reverses alzheimers-related memory loss in mice. . .

my church serves coffee & etc before worship service on sundays. i've never gone to the cafeteria to take part in it -- i'm not there for snacks
:p
now i want to go & watch though! thanks for the things to think about.

You say that there are snacks there! And coffee!

There is nothing wrong with either coffee or snacks. Do not take away every simple pleasure as this life is hard enough as it is. I read that smoking prevents memory loss in people also. Now, what was I saying?.
 
You say that there are snacks there! And coffee!

There is nothing wrong with either coffee or snacks. Do not take away every simple pleasure as this life is hard enough as it is. I read that smoking prevents memory loss in people also. Now, what was I saying?.

I also started a quit smoking thread.

Some ppl say that coffee is as addictive as cigarettes; I don't know...
 
funny i was just reading about how coffee (well actually caffeine - equivalent of 5 cups per day of joe) reverses alzheimers-related memory loss in mice. . .

my church serves coffee & etc before worship service on sundays. i've never gone to the cafeteria to take part in it -- i'm not there for snacks
:p
now i want to go & watch though! thanks for the things to think about.

Go and watch, mate. Take a pad and make sure to first check with the Bible on how Christians are supposed to respond to the Lord and approach Him (i.e. with reverence). Then go in there and observe people before and after they begin drinking. As the coffee goes down the hole, and just in the environment where coffee is both available and served, people will begin to become generally more and more superficial and less interested in spiritual things or anything real really. Conversation will be dull and generally fake. Importantly, observe the people who make a beeline for the coffee and their attitude before it. Then try this: go up to someone who is about to get coffee and stop them for a chat. They will probably persist in getting the coffee, but come up with something important to tell them and say the coffee can wait a while. It's generally quite telling. Of course, coffee does have caffeine (though it isn't just the caffeine; something about those beans, lol), and people do get addicted to caffeinated drinks as well as to coffee. There are natural foods that can distract people from spiritual things (the foods aren't bad; they just tend to do things to people (sleepiness, hyperactivity, just taste, etc.), and food doesn't feed the spirit to begin with but the body, therefore fasting, so to take note that a particular devil... I mean, drink, can draw out the self-centeredness in people is hardly a stretch. I took note of it because of the Starbucks Churches that are 100% plastic candy that drink it it as if it is American tea... which it is, actually. Like tea in England (the stereotypes you have of uppity people drinking tea with their pinkie out), so coffee in America (except here, it isn't 'pride' per se but 'self-centeredness' and an inability to love others since you are in the process of loving yourself rather deeply).
 
Ya know..... its a good premise and all but the truth is, all of our problems can be summed up in one simple sentence. The fall of man started with a passive husband and is perpetuated by passive husbands and fathers.
 
Well, Dunkin' seemed to come up here with its outlets. Then they seemed to close down again and go back to America.

Maybe you guys are weird, eh? :p Coffee makes Americans self-centered (it actually feeds and encourages and soothes and strokes and appreciates and congratulates our self-centeredness); what does it do to Canadians? Well, it's a general thing that coffee does, and I'm betting it isn't for everyone. It tastes terrible to me, so I'm sort of in luck.
 
You say that there are snacks there! And coffee!

There is nothing wrong with either coffee or snacks. Do not take away every simple pleasure as this life is hard enough as it is. I read that smoking prevents memory loss in people also. Now, what was I saying?.

Believe me, I take my liberties. But it's still good to observe things. If we constantly depend on others to do all our work for us, doctors will tell us this causes pimples when that does, and professionals will tell us red meat is bad when it's good; there is no end to all the opinions, so it's good to find out for yourself. When certain people want to promote a movie star or singer... they promote them. In the same way, sometimes they want to promote foods or claim that things that are good for you aren't good. They constantly manipulate and take the temperature of the general population. I know that there was a time when I had bad toothaches; do you know what chased them off? Cigarettes. Yes. I'd be asleep and wake up from a toothache; then I'd go outside and smoke a cigarette and would get anywhere from 30 minutes to four hours of relief. Anyway, it's good to observe things and be proactive; if for no other reason, understanding why things happen the way they do makes sense of things so you don't keep wondering about things or just give up and stop thinking about it all together. Some people think it's better to live in denial or to not know; I think life is easier when you do know/understand what's going on and why things happen as they do.
 
Ya know..... its a good premise and all but the truth is, all of our problems can be summed up in one simple sentence. The fall of man started with a passive husband and is perpetuated by passive husbands and fathers.

I agree with that 100%; there's no doubt at all. (I found that even to know whoever it is you will marry, you know her more if you know her father. It's pretty outstanding that both male and female children get their identity from our fathers and not our mothers.) The man first; men who can't lead today (like corrupt officials) are actually often led by women. Here's another pretty astonishing fact: when males don't take responsibility in life (their kids, families, whatever), the very first thing we automatically gravitate to is sex and females. It is just once again outstanding, and we see this first in Adam and Eve as you said: Adam's responsibility was to lead; when he chucked that responsibility, the first thing he gravitated to was Eve, therefore letting her lead. I find that men are often led by women, because men don't want responsibility and so must be led by someone (i.e. by some desire): when men throw away responsibility, it won't be long before we find ourselves 'being led' by women in an overall sense. You see this 'phenomenon' particularly clearly among lots of African Americans: raised without fathers, the males never learned to take responsibility (since their dads didn't); they therefore naturally gravitate toward women, and their songs and raps, etc., are pretty much at least 60% geared toward women and sex. This is how God made it (generally, the man takes responsibility or the woman leads him), and it's how it must be. The 'eh' thing was a joke by the way-- that constant cold war between the U.S. and Canada.
 
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I agree with that 100%; there's no doubt at all. (I found that even to know whoever it is you will marry, you know her more if you know her father. It's pretty outstanding that both male and female children get their identity from our fathers and not our mothers.) The man first; men who can't lead today (like corrupt officials) are actually often led by women. Here's another pretty astonishing fact: when males don't take responsibility in life (their kids, families, whatever), the very first thing we automatically gravitate to is sex and females. It is just once again outstanding, and we see this first in Adam and Eve as you said: Adam's responsibility was to lead; when he chucked that responsibility, the first thing he gravitated to was Eve, therefore letting her lead. I find that men are often led by women, because men don't want responsibility and so must be led by someone (i.e. by some desire): when men throw away responsibility, it won't be long before we find ourselves 'being led' by women in an overall sense. The 'eh' thing was a joke by the way-- that constant cold war between the U.S. and Canada.

Haha! I blame canada to! It's funny that even in Noah's time the women were being given in marriage to demonic men. It seems that it boils down to men not leading every single time.
 
Haha! I blame canada to! It's funny that even in Noah's time the women were being given in marriage to demonic men. It seems that it boils down to men not leading every single time.

Every. Single. Time. As a guy, I was naturally biased. I've heard men complain about their wives, and it always came back to the men being first at fault. I couldn't be biased if I was going to know and acknowledge the truth: I was amazed to find that it is always the man and our chucking responsibility that causes problems. I cannot find anywhere that it was the woman's fault first, because it can't be her fault first: it can be her fault, but since she wasn't created to go first, she can never be first at fault. Even the most notorious queen in the Bible had this dad who who knows what he did to her; whatever he did, he definitely didn't raise her in a good and healthy way, and the gods he worshiped (Baal, Ashtoreth, etc.) worked through her, giving themselves one name and an embodiment in human form: Jezebel. Men hate her, but it takes pelotas (cajones) and besting the beast called responsibility to put her in her place; hatred and complaining won't do it and never do anything.
 
Every. Single. Time. As a guy, I was naturally biased. I've heard men complain about their wives, and it always came back to the men being first at fault. I couldn't be biased if I was going to know and acknowledge the truth: I was amazed to find that it is always the man and our chucking responsibility that causes problems. I cannot find anywhere that it was the woman's fault first, because it can't be her fault first: it can be her fault, but since she wasn't created to go first, she can never be first at fault. Even the most notorious queen in the Bible had this dad who who knows what he did to her; whatever he did, he definitely didn't raise her in a good and healthy way, and the gods he worshiped (Baal, Ashtoreth, etc.) worked through her, giving themselves one name and an embodiment in human form: Jezebel. Men hate her, but it takes pelotas and besting the beast called responsibility to put her in her place; hatred and complaining won't do it and never do anything.

Wow that is awesome.
 
I apologize for hijacking your thread

I don't claim a thread I start except to keep order and peace. I don't care if someone else takes the lead as long as peace is maintained; it's good for me because I don't hang in one place long anyway.