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Matt 7:23

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

What does this mean ? Why did Jesus tell these people that He never knew them ? Lets understand something here, the word know here denotes something greater than just merely knowing all the facts about someone of something, like men can have a great deal of knowledge and facts about spiritual truth, and many times.even the Gospel itself can be known somewhat factually, like perhaps these did know 2 Pet 2:20-21

20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

Albeit, the Gospel in those days would not have been diluted as it is now a days. Yet man can come to know the facts of 1 Cor 15:3-4 backwards and forwards, can learn and know quite well the greek and hebrew in a given passage, perhaps be an expert in those ancient languages, all the historical background of a given passage, and yet still not know the Gospel in its Divine origin and Power and Blessing and Experience; For you see there is a certain experimental knowledge and intimacy in knowing someone or something as well, and when the word knew is used by the Blessed Saviour in Matt 7:23

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

For Christ did know all about these people, and was even quite acquainted with all their ways, in fact He would be the one Judging them in the last day, knowing even the secret of their hearts;

However when Jesus said to them that He never knew them, He means they were never in a intimate relationship with Him, a Union with Him, in fact it was in the same light as when it said that Adam Knew His Wife Eve Gen 4:1

And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord.

And thats what Jesus means here, He never knew those people as He knew intimately His Wife, whom the Father had bethrotted to Him before the ages, He knew them not as His Wife or Bride the Church,which He Loved and gave Himself for Eph 5:25

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

Jesus was One Flesh with His Wife, the Church. The Church is the Lambs Wife Rev 21:9

And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.

Jesus,despite of all their religious works Matt 7:22 even done sincerely in His Name, He never knew them Intimately, in a relationship, as His Wife ! And thats whom He specifically died forEph 5:25 !
 
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I have always enjoyed this verse. I pose a question to other Christians based on it. Is it more important for us to know God or for God to know us? Many people walk around blind thinking they can see. I believe God has opened my eyes and what I see is that I am blind but for God's light and God's word. His word is a lamp for my path and a light for my feet in a world of darkness.

It is written that God desires all men to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth. I find it interesting that it doesn't say God wants us to know the truth. We can not know God as intimately as God knows us but we certainly can "know" God in part. "For now we know in part, but then we will know fully even as we are fully known."

I believe it is far more important to Love God and trust God than it is to "know" God. It is important for us to Love HIs word and law and decrees and equally important for us to follow the law to the best of our abilities empowered by God practicing His principals rather than practicing our own evil ways which we are already far to good at. IT matters infinitely more that God "know" us precisely as you have described. These are just my thoughts about this particular verse and I appreciate what you shared and find myself in agreement with you. Thanks for sharing.
 
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I have always enjoyed this verse. I pose a question to other Christians based on it. Is it more important for us to know God or for God to know us? Many people walk around blind thinking they can see. I believe God has opened my eyes and what I see is that I am blind but for God's light and God's word. His word is a lamp for my path and a light for my feet in a world of darkness.

It is written that God desires all men to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth. I find it interesting that it doesn't say God wants us to know the truth. We can not know God as intimately as God knows us but we certainly can "know" God in part. "For now we know in part, but then we will know fully even as we are fully known."

I believe it is far more important to Love God and trust God than it is to "know" God. It is important for us to Love HIs word and law and decrees and equally important for us to follow the law to the best of our abilities empowered by God practicing His principals rather than practicing our own evil ways which we are already far to good at. IT matters infinitely more that God "know" us precisely as you have described. These are just my thoughts about this particular verse and I appreciate what you shared and find myself in agreement with you. Thanks for sharing.
I agree with the jest of what you say but I do take a stand against your reference to it being more important to love and trust God than to know God? How can you love and trust a God you don't know? Now I do realize this is your position and that is ok but for me knowing God is loving and trusting him and they are equally as important is my view. How else can we worship him if we don't know him and yes he knows us but we don't know ourselves as he knows us for he sees us in the spirit as well as the natural we operate in the natural mostly only visiting the spiritual from time to time as our sin nature permits. Just some thoughts.
 
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@pastac, I am in agreement with you, one cannot love without knowing. Those that hear these words at the judgement seat are not born again believers, simple case closed. no confession with the lips and no belief in the heart that Christ is who He says He is and that He died (better yet, rose from the dead, the grave is empty) for them, but they did things in Christ's name and did do miracles in His name, a very strange thought. That unbelievers can do these miracles but believers cannot? There is a message in that alone. Does the Spirit work through unbelievers even though they are not "sealed"? And works because it was done in Jesus's name! That should be an eye opener, the power of His Name alone does the job, the vessel is not important, there is a lesson on Holiness here. In the how God works, for His ways are not our ways, and His thoughts are not our thoughts, He stated that Himself in Isaiah 55. There are things of God we just don't understand, and it might just be so wanted by God? Who can know His thoughts? But without a confession of the lips, no blood washing takes place and without the bath in the blood of Christ, your out there! Be blessed everybody as I am blessed to share and to learn from my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus, see you at the Eastern Gate some day, soon I do pray, tarry not Lord Jesus, tarry not!
 
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Matt 7:23

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

What does this mean ? Why did Jesus tell these people that He never knew them ? Lets understand something here, the word know here denotes something greater than just merely knowing all the facts about someone of something, like men can have a great deal of knowledge and facts about spiritual truth, and many times.even the Gospel itself can be known somewhat factually, like perhaps these did know 2 Pet 2:20-21

20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

Albeit, the Gospel in those days would not have been diluted as it is now a days. Yet man can come to know the facts of 1 Cor 15:3-4 backwards and forwards, can learn and know quite well the greek and hebrew in a given passage, perhaps be an expert in those ancient languages, all the historical background of a given passage, and yet still not know the Gospel in its Divine origin and Power and Blessing and Experience; For you see there is a certain experimental knowledge and intimacy in knowing someone or something as well, and when the word knew is used by the Blessed Saviour in Matt 7:23

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

For Christ did know all about these people, and was even quite acquainted with all their ways, in fact He would be the one Judging them in the last day, knowing even the secret of their hearts;

However when Jesus said to them that He never knew them, He means they were never in a intimate relationship with Him, a Union with Him, in fact it was in the same light as when it said that Adam Knew His Wife Eve Gen 4:1

And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord.

And thats what Jesus means here, He never knew those people as He knew intimately His Wife, whom the Father had bethrotted to Him before the ages, He knew them not as His Wife or Bride the Church,which He Loved and gave Himself for Eph 5:25

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

Jesus was One Flesh with His Wife, the Church. The Church is the Lambs Wife Rev 21:9

And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.

Jesus,despite of all their religious works Matt 7:22 even done sincerely in His Name, He never knew them Intimately, in a relationship, as His Wife ! And thats whom He specifically died forEph 5:25 !
Thank you dearly beloved for thy spiritual blessings from JESUS and the HOLY SPIRIT. Quite similar incident is highlighted in, Matthew 25;34-46.

i believe JESUS is talking to people like me, who are 'lukewarm'. Those whom HE said HE will spit out.
 

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In John 17:3, And this is eternal life, that they may know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent, which is intimate, experiential knowledge, found only in an intimate relationship. Jesus never knew these people in Matthew 7:21-23. Notice these many people said Lord, Lord, didn't WE, which shows they were trusting in their works for salvation and not in Christ alone. The correct answer would have been Lord, Lord, didn't YOU live a sinless perfect life, die for my sins and rise again from the dead. I trust exclusively in YOU as the all sufficient means of my salvation.

Matthew 7:21 - Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

John 6:40 - For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.

In regards to 2 Peter 2:20-21, having the knowledge of Jesus Christ does not save a person if there is no heart submission to that knowledge. For it to be of any spiritual value, there must be a heart submission to that knowledge.
 
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@pastac, I am in agreement with you, one cannot love without knowing. Those that hear these words at the judgement seat are not born again believers, simple case closed. no confession with the lips and no belief in the heart that Christ is who He says He is and that He died (better yet, rose from the dead, the grave is empty) for them, but they did things in Christ's name and did do miracles in His name, a very strange thought. That unbelievers can do these miracles but believers cannot? There is a message in that alone. Does the Spirit work through unbelievers even though they are not "sealed"? And works because it was done in Jesus's name! That should be an eye opener, the power of His Name alone does the job, the vessel is not important, there is a lesson on Holiness here. In the how God works, for His ways are not our ways, and His thoughts are not our thoughts, He stated that Himself in Isaiah 55. There are things of God we just don't understand, and it might just be so wanted by God? Who can know His thoughts? But without a confession of the lips, no blood washing takes place and without the bath in the blood of Christ, your out there! Be blessed everybody as I am blessed to share and to learn from my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus, see you at the Eastern Gate some day, soon I do pray, tarry not Lord Jesus, tarry not!
I'm in agreement with you, let me share this its is so hard to believe in miracles now days when so many don't believe in the miracle worker
 
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svedbygrace,

We could not agree with you more ,
these many spoken of in Matt.7:21-23
Had no intimate relationship with JESUS CHRIST, they were far from Him.
It may sound strange but we see the Love of GOD in these scriptures about
Judgement. we use the 'sandwich principal', that is, we put the meat in the
'
Middle', look what comes before and after and then eat or consider what
GOD is feeding us and why.
what comes before is a bad tree that cannot produce good fruit;
Only a flourishing tree brings forth good fruit and the scripture afterward
describes having a solid foundation and that house will stand no matter
how strong the storms of this life become for THE ROCK is un-moveable,
firm and strong and cannot be shaken.

the many false prophets are also described in Matt 24.
'many shall come in My Name,
saying, JESUS IS LORD, not literally that I Am CHRIST, as the KJV states;
for there have been relatively few in history that have claimed to be Him.
delusional megalomaniacs.
But in the forty thousand plus denominations,
many have proclaimed 'JESUS IS LORD'!
and herein lies the deception, 'take a
Great Truth and marry it to great lies.'
In the example of, 'depart from Me I never knew you, is a loving warning.'
The ones being judged are following the ways of the pharasee’s prayer in their
self-justification, ((I TITHE, I FAST, BEHOLD ALL OF MY GOOD WORKS!))
The Lord is telling them be like the publican and smite the breast and
proclaim, 'Lord forgive me I am a sinner! I have been that rotten tree
t
hat has brought forth wicked fruit, but now I repent, plant me
as a new s
eed that I may become a flourishing tree.'

'God is Love, He is not willing that any should perish and has no pleasure in the death of the wicked.'
Never the less there will be in that day the many knuckle-heads

t
hat will proclaim their own righteousness and be hewn down
and cast into the fire.

We know from our own personal failings and falling short in so
many areas of our walk that we have seen the exceeding mercy and grace of
THE FATHER AND OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST.
and it is certain that mercy rejoices o
ver judgement.





 
Jan 21, 2013
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We could not agree with you more , these many spoken of in Matt.7:21-23
Had no intimate relationship with JESUS CHRIST, they were far from Him.
Then He could not have Loved them and died for them like He did His Church He Loved and had a intimate relationship with Eph 5:25

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

So He Loved them intimately prior to givng Himself for her, that Love was motivation for giving of Himself for them !

That is not the case with Matt 7:23

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
 
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I have always enjoyed this verse. I pose a question to other Christians based on it. Is it more important for us to know God or for God to know us? Many people walk around blind thinking they can see. I believe God has opened my eyes and what I see is that I am blind but for God's light and God's word. His word is a lamp for my path and a light for my feet in a world of darkness.

It is written that God desires all men to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth. I find it interesting that it doesn't say God wants us to know the truth. We can not know God as intimately as God knows us but we certainly can "know" God in part. "For now we know in part, but then we will know fully even as we are fully known."

I believe it is far more important to Love God and trust God than it is to "know" God. It is important for us to Love HIs word and law and decrees and equally important for us to follow the law to the best of our abilities empowered by God practicing His principals rather than practicing our own evil ways which we are already far to good at. IT matters infinitely more that God "know" us precisely as you have described. These are just my thoughts about this particular verse and I appreciate what you shared and find myself in agreement with you. Thanks for sharing.
A lot of people and all of Christiandom claims to know Jesus.....truth is.....it is not about us claiming to know him, but rather does he know and acknowledge us.....

The ones being cast from his presence base their believed right to enter heaven/kingdom of God upon their...

Abilities to cast out devils, (prophesy) and do many wonderful works in the name of Jesus....Jesus tells them I NEVER KNEW YOU<------this points clearly that they attempted to come by some other door which means their view/teaching of salvation was INCORRECT......

Broad is the way and most go therein
Straight and NARROW is the way and FEW find it

Most of Christianity (so-called) teaches some form of works for salvation and or to keep salvation<---broad way
Very few within Christianity teaches by faith, grace and mercy<----Straight and narrow way and BIBLICAL
 
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I agree with the jest of what you say but I do take a stand against your reference to it being more important to love and trust God than to know God? How can you love and trust a God you don't know? Now I do realize this is your position and that is ok but for me knowing God is loving and trusting him and they are equally as important is my view. How else can we worship him if we don't know him and yes he knows us but we don't know ourselves as he knows us for he sees us in the spirit as well as the natural we operate in the natural mostly only visiting the spiritual from time to time as our sin nature permits. Just some thoughts.
Realize what I actually said. "I believe it is far more important to Love God and trust God than it is to "know" God."
Remember: Deuteronomy 6:5 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.
Recognize nowhere does scripture say, "KNOW God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength." I did not say it is NOT important to know God because it is obvious to me that knowing God as fully as we can is primary to having a close relationship to Him. I said it is MORE important to LOVE than to KNOW. We can love fully without knowing fully.

There is another comment by OSIYO, "I am in agreement with you, one cannot love without knowing."

In my opinion this statement is contradictory to scripture. IT is written, be wise about what is good and innocent about what is evil. IT is also written hate what is evil and love what is good. IT is also written love your enemies. IT seems clear to me that God does not want me to know my enemies but to love them just the same. IT is not necessary to "KNOW" in order to love. In fact we need to Love people in spite of what we KNOW about them. Do we need to know someone to be patient or kind or forgiving toward them? Do we need to know someone before we humble ourselves before them? Consider what love is(1cor13 4-7) and explain to me what I need to know about someone before choose to practice these behaviors toward them?

anyway, again just my 2cents.
 
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A lot of people and all of Christiandom claims to know Jesus.....truth is.....it is not about us claiming to know him, but rather does he know and acknowledge us.....

The ones being cast from his presence base their believed right to enter heaven/kingdom of God upon their...

Abilities to cast out devils, (prophesy) and do many wonderful works in the name of Jesus....Jesus tells them I NEVER KNEW YOU<------this points clearly that they attempted to come by some other door which means their view/teaching of salvation was INCORRECT......

Broad is the way and most go therein
Straight and NARROW is the way and FEW find it

Most of Christianity (so-called) teaches some form of works for salvation and or to keep salvation<---broad way
Very few within Christianity teaches by faith, grace and mercy<----Straight and narrow way and BIBLICAL
The problem is that people don't know Jesus at all. Many Christians say Jesus is a rebellious son who replaced His Father's ways, although there is no scripture that says this. Jesus tells us that nothing His Father says will pass away.

It is fashionable now to say that God will accept you without doing anything God tells you to do. They know the Holy Spirit must be involved, so that, they say, makes them free of the burden of listening to how to live for Christ. It is the opposite of works to be accepted, they all know works isn't what God looks at but at our heart. So they say they can have heart without works. Scripture says they go together.
 

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Matt 7:23

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

What does this mean ? Why did Jesus tell these people that He never knew them ? Lets understand something here, the word know here denotes something greater than just merely knowing all the facts about someone of something, like men can have a great deal of knowledge and facts about spiritual truth, and many times.even the Gospel itself can be known somewhat factually, like perhaps these did know 2 Pet 2:20-21

20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

Albeit, the Gospel in those days would not have been diluted as it is now a days. Yet man can come to know the facts of 1 Cor 15:3-4 backwards and forwards, can learn and know quite well the greek and hebrew in a given passage, perhaps be an expert in those ancient languages, all the historical background of a given passage, and yet still not know the Gospel in its Divine origin and Power and Blessing and Experience; For you see there is a certain experimental knowledge and intimacy in knowing someone or something as well, and when the word knew is used by the Blessed Saviour in Matt 7:23

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

For Christ did know all about these people, and was even quite acquainted with all their ways, in fact He would be the one Judging them in the last day, knowing even the secret of their hearts;

However when Jesus said to them that He never knew them, He means they were never in a intimate relationship with Him, a Union with Him, in fact it was in the same light as when it said that Adam Knew His Wife Eve Gen 4:1

And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord.

And thats what Jesus means here, He never knew those people as He knew intimately His Wife, whom the Father had bethrotted to Him before the ages, He knew them not as His Wife or Bride the Church,which He Loved and gave Himself for Eph 5:25

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

Jesus was One Flesh with His Wife, the Church. The Church is the Lambs Wife Rev 21:9

And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.

Jesus,despite of all their religious works Matt 7:22 even done sincerely in His Name, He never knew them Intimately, in a relationship, as His Wife ! And thats whom He specifically died forEph 5:25 !

An interesting collection of verses, thanks.
Are you aware that some of them are not about Christ knowing men, but about men knowing something or someone?

How about "I know Whom I have believed and am persuaded that He is able
to keep that which He has committed to me against that day."
(Better translation IMHO)
 
Jan 21, 2013
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atwood

An interesting collection of verses, thanks.
You are welcome, but please rehearse the points I made with me, explain what I explained back to me !
 
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Then He could not have Loved them and died for them like He did His Church He Loved and had a intimate relationship with Eph 5:25

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

So He Loved them intimately prior to givng Himself for her, that Love was motivation for giving of Himself for them !

That is not the case with Matt 7:23

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Heb 2:9 Christ died for every man.

God is omniscient and knows every one. Those in this context claimed to be disciples of Christ but Christ never knew them as His followers. Christ not knowing them as His disciples was not some random choice made before the world began, but was based upon their not doing as the Father said, v21. Instead of hearing and doing what Christ said, they heard and did not, worked iniquity, v24,26
 
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If I may share when God showed me this verse...

I was the leader of a Jesus film crew in the informal squatter camp of Orange Farms, near Johannesburg in South Africa. And since I healed many people in the Name of Jesus, that night I expected Jesus to do again some miricles.... I prayed for a two year old boy that had a deformed hip bone. In stead of a ball and a socket, there were only two flat plates shifting past eachother.... That was very hurtful for the boy and he could not walk as he can put no weight on that hip.

So i prayed but the boy did not get healed.... And boy woud that be a miricle and MANY saved by this... but no NOTHING...

I went home very angry with God. So when I got home like 12 midnight, I went to my study and sat at my desk with the Bible. I said... Lord, what is going on? Why the Yes and no answers? I know I am sinning sometimes, but I will always be sinner, and I do your will as well. Look I am in Orange Farms showing them about Jesus.... What more can I do? I would like it if you answer me on this. If You do not it is ok, then I am DONE! I do not feel like playing game with You.


I opened my Bible.... Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
No Lord, this Bbile is LYING to me now! I will always be sinner as lng as I am in this flesh.... Come on!
Again I closed and opened my Bible.... Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
I was so shocked.... THIS IS COBUS.... I heal people and I do it in the Name of Jesus, but I STILL WORK INIQUITY... Oh Lord! Are you going to tell me DEPART FROM ME I NEVER KNEW YOU? I know now, I am one of these, what can I do to change this? Lord Please tell me what to DO? How will You know me and how will I get BORN OF GOD? I do NOT understnad...


And then a miricle.... the one that saved me!.... God said in a very CLEAR VOICE BEHIND ME.... "Genesis 1 :1 START!"


If you say God does not speak in AUDIBLE language to us... Read Isaiah 30:21... Who is that voice BEHIND US that our EARS shall hear?

Anyway that is how I got the revelation on the text in Matthew. Needless to say my life changed from that evening.... I am now way more knowlegable on WHO GOD IS... And I am sure the day me and Jesus meet, he will not say... DEPART, but COME MY FAITHFUL SERVANT.... Why? Becasue HE IS FAITHFUL and HE SAID if I start, I FINISH.... Praise our faithful GOd Christ Jesus... Amen!
 
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I agree with the jest of what you say but I do take a stand against your reference to it being more important to love and trust God than to know God? How can you love and trust a God you don't know? Now I do realize this is your position and that is ok but for me knowing God is loving and trusting him and they are equally as important is my view. How else can we worship him if we don't know him and yes he knows us but we don't know ourselves as he knows us for he sees us in the spirit as well as the natural we operate in the natural mostly only visiting the spiritual from time to time as our sin nature permits. Just some thoughts.

And the Word teach us just to have a great Zeal for God without KNOWLEDGE is no use... Romans 10:2... For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
And to confirm how we should know God Jesus said life everlasting is to KNOW GOD AND THE ONE HE SENT... WOW! How many people know the Truth and are made free by the Truth? Since the Word of God is Truth, how well do YOU know GOD Truth (Jesus the Word made flesh?)
 

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If I may share when God showed me this verse...I was the leader of a Jesus film crew in the informal squatter camp of Orange Farms, near Johannesburg in South Africa. And since I healed many people in the Name of Jesus, that night I expected Jesus to do again some miricles.... I prayed for a two year old boy that had a deformed hip bone. In stead of a ball and a socket, there were only two flat plates shifting past eachother.... That was very hurtful for the boy and he could not walk as he can put no weight on that hip.So i prayed but the boy did not get healed.... And boy woud that be a miricle and MANY saved by this... but no NOTHING...I went home very angry with God. So when I got home like 12 midnight, I went to my study and sat at my desk with the Bible. I said... Lord, what is going on? Why the Yes and no answers? I know I am sinning sometimes, but I will always be sinner, and I do your will as well. Look I am in Orange Farms showing them about Jesus.... What more can I do? I would like it if you answer me on this. If You do not it is ok, then I am DONE! I do not feel like playing game with You.I opened my Bible.... Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. No Lord, this Bbile is LYING to me now! I will always be sinner as lng as I am in this flesh.... Come on!Again I closed and opened my Bible.... Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. I was so shocked.... THIS IS COBUS.... I heal people and I do it in the Name of Jesus, but I STILL WORK INIQUITY... Oh Lord! Are you going to tell me DEPART FROM ME I NEVER KNEW YOU? I know now, I am one of these, what can I do to change this? Lord Please tell me what to DO? How will You know me and how will I get BORN OF GOD? I do NOT understnad...And then a miricle.... the one that saved me!.... God said in a very CLEAR VOICE BEHIND ME.... "Genesis 1 :1 START!" If you say God does not speak in AUDIBLE language to us... Read Isaiah 30:21... Who is that voice BEHIND US that our EARS shall hear? Anyway that is how I got the revelation on the text in Matthew. Needless to say my life changed from that evening.... I am now way more knowlegable on WHO GOD IS... And I am sure the day me and Jesus meet, he will not say... DEPART, but COME MY FAITHFUL SERVANT.... Why? Becasue HE IS FAITHFUL and HE SAID if I start, I FINISH.... Praise our faithful GOd Christ Jesus... Amen!
I definitely wouldn't recommend this type of 'fortune telling' bible study approach. Sorry Cobus :(
 
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Heb 2:9 Christ died for every man.

God is omniscient and knows every one. Those in this context claimed to be disciples of Christ but Christ never knew them as His followers. Christ not knowing them as His disciples was not some random choice made before the world began, but was based upon their not doing as the Father said, v21. Instead of hearing and doing what Christ said, they heard and did not, worked iniquity, v24,26
Christ did taste death for everyone He tasted death for, and those He did, they are made Righteous Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

So does everyone in Heb 2:9 say everyone without exception ? Yes or No ?