The 10 Commandments-The Sabbath (#4)

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Truth2010

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I wanted to start a whole new thread on this particular topic so that the other thread, isn't 30 pages long. So...I have become a Sabbath Keeper (the 7th day) within 12 mos and I noticed that Christians (most dont) dont keep the 4th commandment. The Bible, from the beginning, to the very end, reiterates the Sabbath (The 7th day). Tell me what you think.
 
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There's nothing wrong with having a day of rest its a good idea actually a day dedicated to God. But consider as to whether you actually really keep the Sabbath, or do you keep your own version or idea of it?

I'll repeat what I said in the other thread: .

But there is no christian I'm aware of who claims to keep the Sabbath and actually keeps it according to God's Law. Not even 7th Day Adventists. They break it everytime they travel to church on a Saturday further than half a mile or so. "No travelling on the Sabbath" is one of the laws (Exod 16:29), and there are others such as no trading, no fire kindling etc. I believe these laws were given to the Israelites not to the Gentiles and not to the Christians.

You see if you are breaking any of the other laws in Exodus about the Sabbath (like travelling more than half a mile from your home), you aren't "keeping the Sabbath". You are just having a designated day of rest that you are calling the Sabbath. :p
 
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And any of your family or employees or even the guy mowing the lawn out the front is supposed to do any work on the Sabbath:

Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the Sabbath of Jehovah your God. You shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger within your gates


 
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onwingsaseagles

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Truth2010 said:
Ok, I noticed that most of you put yes that we should and some of you weren't too sure.. and some of you said no.. I saw this was already brought up.. and here is my question.. to those of you who do believe we should keep the Commandments, how come MOST Christians don't keep the Sabbath (The 4th commandment)? Whenever I ask this question, they always say yes, but when I bring up the 4th, they say "oh, that was in the OT". Please let me know your thoughts and I will share mine.
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I think you are absolutely correct truth. Most will agree that we should keep the 10 commandments and the other 9 seem to be obvious. Yet when ask about the 4th commandment they claim that that was the law or O.T. I just don't get where there logic is coming from.
 
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Truth2010

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MahogonySnail said:
And any of your family or employees or even the guy mowing the lawn out the front is supposed to do any work on the Sabbath:

Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the Sabbath of Jehovah your God. You shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger within your gates
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I went back to your post on the previous thread and I see that you think that the 10 commandments were Moses' law.. and this is the common misconception of Christians. Moses had absolutely nothing to do with the creation or even SPEAKING of the 10 Commandments.. God Himself came down from heaven on Mount Sinai and physically spoke the commandments to the congregation... Then He wrote them on the tablets with His own finger. So, no, the 10 commandments are not part of the Mosaic Law. God made sure that no MAN had any part in the 10 commandments.. and for a good reason too..

The Sabbath is the 4th commandment in GODS commandments and if we break it, then we are sinning against God.

You also said that we no longer have to keep the 10 commandments..but the Bible says the complete opposite...I will start with this verse first "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law." James 2:10-11.. This verse says that if you break just one of the 10, you have become a transgressor of the law (a sinner) because the same ONE (God) spoke all 10 of those commandments and therefore have become disobedient if you disobey even one of His commandments. Also this verse "And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." 1 John2:3-4.

If you claim to know God and keep not His commandments, then the Bible says you are a liar and no truth is in you. I have more, but I will stop here with these few.
 
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onwingsaseagles said:
I think you are absolutely correct truth. Most will agree that we should keep the 10 commandments and the other 9 seem to be obvious. Yet when ask about the 4th commandment they claim that that was the law or O.T. I just don't get where there logic is coming from.
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Unfortunately Onwingsaseagles, pple try to do away with that commandment because it is not convenient.. you have to love God to be fully obedient to what He says. Pple are more loyal to what theyve been raised knowing instead of loyal our Father.
 
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Truth2010 said:
The Sabbath is the 4th commandment in GODS commandments and if we break it, then we are sinning against God.
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AMEN truth, good word
 
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Unfortunately Onwingsaseagles, pple try to do away with that commandment because it is not convenient.. you have to love God to be fully obedient to what He says. Pple are more loyal to what theyve been raised knowing instead of loyal our Father.
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Yes it is sad, and this applies to sooo many subjects. The Bible is irrelevant to most people. What they hold to is what they were taught as a child, regardless if it lines up with scripture or not.
 
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Aren't you really just condeming people for not loving God in the ways you do? Listen to what Paul says in Galations 3 starting at verse 2 "I would like to learn just one thing from you:Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard? Are you so foolish? After being with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort? Have you suffered so much for nothing-if it really was for nothing? Does God give you His Spirit and work miracles among you because you observe the law or because you believe what you heard?" The law we are under is love God with all your heart and your neighbor as yourself. And true, observing the sabbath or any other law is loving God but how much love do you show Him by condeming others for what they dont do? If you love your neighbor as your self, would you want somebody calling you a sinner for not observing the sabbath? Which is a Saturday by the way, the last day of the week. I wonder how the pharasee's got so carried away with the sabbath law in the first place? They started off like this, pointing out how wrong people are then adding to it little by little. Before they knew it they could heal a sick person on the sabbath even out of the goodness of their heart.
 
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The New Testament says that the Sabbath was fulfilled in Christ...for the jews and everyone else rests from their works when they take refuge in Jesus...read and understand Hebrews. If that were not so Jesus would have never said my Father is ALWAYS working, and I too must ALWAYS be working (justifying or explaining why He healed on the sabbath)...it is also important to remember his other comment on healing on the sabbath, "If a boy can be circumcised on the sabbath without breaking God's command, then why are you mad at me for making someone fully well on the Sabbath (true circumcision of the heart)? Now priests and other people too, worked on the sabbath to circumcise a child...which was but as a symbol of what was to come...but Jesus made someone completely well on the Sabbath (which is a much greater task no matter how you slice it. I hope someone sees this besides me.

All of the laws Moses wrote were given him by revelation not just the ten commandments...it is mostly God says (not Moses says) on any of the hundred and something laws...to say the ten commandments are JUST God and the rest are Moses is perilous...

I asked for every Sunday off at my last job...But then I found I loved working there and with people soooo much that it was work for me not to work on the sabbath...which those who claim the sabbath probably paradoxically claim (you must keep the sabbath and then you LABOR to keep it, even during that day...possibly like the Pharisees you labor to look down upon (or kill as their case was) sabbath-breakers...

I did the Lord's work on the sabbath by going to work and loving those working on Sunday...if you think it must be saturday then I worked on that day as well, so condemn twice over if you want...

God's love
tony
 
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Aren't you really just condeming people for not loving God in the ways you do? Listen to what Paul says in Galations 3 starting at verse 2 "I would like to learn just one thing from you:Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard? Are you so foolish? After being with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort? Have you suffered so much for nothing-if it really was for nothing? Does God give you His Spirit and work miracles among you because you observe the law or because you believe what you heard?" The law we are under is love God with all your heart and your neighbor as yourself. And true, observing the sabbath or any other law is loving God but how much love do you show Him by condeming others for what they dont do? If you love your neighbor as your self, would you want somebody calling you a sinner for not observing the sabbath? Which is a Saturday by the way, the last day of the week. I wonder how the pharasee's got so carried away with the sabbath law in the first place? They started off like this, pointing out how wrong people are then adding to it little by little. Before they knew it they could heal a sick person on the sabbath even out of the goodness of their heart.
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Paul is speaking of being circumsised and keeping Moses' law. There is no reason anyone should assume God's commandments are not relevant for us today.
 
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I was of the understanding that the Sabbath was, on our calendar, Saturday. I know the Jews had a different calendar than we do... never really thought about it though. All I know is that in the New Testament, we are commanded to "Not forsake the assembling of ourselves together". It doesn't REALLY matter what day of the week it is, does it? But God is worthy of our best and the first of all we have, so why not Sunday? Makes sense to me.
 
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Derek

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Christianity is not about keeping laws, its about believing that we dont have to keep the laws to be right with God.
 
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And no...sorry, Paul is not speaking about circumcision there.
 
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onwingsaseagles

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Christianity is not about keeping laws, its about believing that we dont have to keep the laws to be right with God.
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1st John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
 
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Derek

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So your saying that you have to keep the Mosaic laws to be made righteous? Then why did Christ have to die?
 
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onwingsaseagles

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Kenoragirl said:
I was of the understanding that the Sabbath was, on our calendar, Saturday. I know the Jews had a different calendar than we do... never really thought about it though. All I know is that in the New Testament, we are commanded to "Not forsake the assembling of ourselves together". It doesn't REALLY matter what day of the week it is, does it? But God is worthy of our best and the first of all we have, so why not Sunday? Makes sense to me.
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I worship on Sunday and if you want to give God Sunday as a first fruit offering I think that is great. However that does not mean we should neglect God's commandment to remember the Sabbath. We should do both not one and forget the other.
 
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And no...sorry, Paul is not speaking about circumcision there.
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The whole book of Galatians was written because there were some that were telling the Galatians they had to get circumsised and keep the law of Moses' on top of accepting Jesus,this is not true. However we cannot break God's commandments and believe ourselves to be His servants.
 
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onwingsaseagles

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So your saying that you have to keep the Mosaic laws to be made righteous? Then why did Christ have to die?
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Nope not Moses' or the Levitical laws, but God's commandments. Jesus died so we could be reconciled to God not so we could break His commandments willy nilly.
 
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onwingsaseagles said:
1st John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
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John isnt talking about Gods 10 comandments, hes talking about "the truth" as you see in the last part of the verse. And the commandment is found a little further in the book. Chapter 3 verse 23. read it friend.
 
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