The way God made us

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Ella85

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Isn't it fascinating how god made us? From the beginning of time he made us and world so perfectly. Everything just makes sense right? When you take time to think about how he created us he had a great plan as for us to be his children.
When God created heaven he made the angels and Lucifer was created, I think he was the Angel for music?
When you think about how loving our lord is, he made us ALL with free will, even the angels. If he had made us to love him no matter what that would not be true love? So when Lucifer was thrown out of Heaven he has made life on earth such a terrible place, but God always has a plan, I know when I reach heaven It's a place I was not forced to go to, I chose to be there. That's how powerful the Lord is, he thought of everything so perfectly, you will never have second thoughts about him.
Things were meant to be this way, if it wasn't what do you think may have happened to us?! Think about it. ...
 
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Ella 85.,

you are very wise,

it is truly unimaginable what our Lord has imagined for us!!
 
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Kerry

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Lucifer was the highest ranking angel in heaven. He lead the praise and worship service and is gifted musically, that's why secular music is so perverted.

However, Satan has not yet been cast from heaven. That happens at the tribulation. He is heaven right now at the throne accusing you and me.
 
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You have the right heart sister, but Satan is not an angel nor was he ever. Regardless of that yes, the Lord is triumphant and shall destroy the dragon, sin, death, and this wicked world forever and Jesus shall reign forever and ever Amen.
 
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There is no such being as a "lucifer".

Lucifer is derived from Jerome's Latin version. It's a bogus tradition followed by Protestants.
 
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Ella85

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Lucifer, satin, the devil, what is the right name and who cares?

All I know is that from how I feel the lord is telling me there was a true reason why he created the world in the way he did. He knows right from wrong, and he has a great plan for us.


[h=4]Revelation 22:3-7[/h]No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him. They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever. The angel said to me, "These words are trustworthy and true. The Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, sent his angel to show his servants the things that must soon take place." "Behold, I am coming soon! Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy in this book."



Sometimes I feel overwhelmed about how BRILLIANT heaven will be, how will our small our minds are to be able to comprehend how dazzling heaven will be. I know what the lord has prepared for us but my mind doesn't see it? It is way beyond my imagination and hard too see myself living such a different lifestyle.
I try to tell myself trust in the lord because I know he will make me comfortable and peaceful when I arrive but leaving our physical body and entering the kingdom is surely going to be such a shock. I wonder how will the lord prepare us as we leave our physical body and how do we know at the time of death we are entering the kingdom without a doubt in our minds?
 
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Osiyo

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Facts are interesting, are they important?

Lucifer (/ˈluːsɪfər/ or /ˈljuːsɪfər/) is the King James Version rendering of the Hebrew word הֵילֵל in Isaiah 14:12. This word, transliterated hêlêl or heylel, occurs only once in the Hebrew Bible and according to the KJV-influenced Strong's Concordance means "shining one, morning star, Lucifer". The word Lucifer is taken from the Latin Vulgate, which translates הֵילֵל as lucifer, meaning "the morning star, the planet Venus", or, as an adjective, "light-bringing". The Septuagint renders הֵילֵל in Greek as ἑωσφόρος (heōsphoros), a name, literally "bringer of dawn", for the morning star.

In this passage Isaiah applies to a king of Babylon the image of the morning star fallen from the sky, an image he is generally believed to have borrowed from a legend in Canaanite mythology.

The pseudepigrapha of pre-Christian Enochic Judaism, the form of Judaism witnessed to in 1 Enoch and 2 Enoch, which enjoyed much popularity during the Second Temple period, gave Satan an expanded role, interpreting Isaiah 14:12-15, with its reference to the morning star, as applicable to him, and presenting him as a fallen angel cast out of heaven for refusing, according to Jewish writings, to bow to Adam, of whom Satan was envious and jealous of the power over the earth granted to Adam.

Christian writers explained the motives of the angel's rebellion and the nature of his sin in the same way, but added pride against God, which they mention more frequently than envy or jealousy with regard to humanity.

Christian tradition, influenced by the Jewish presentation of the passage of Isaiah as applicable to Satan, came to use the Latin word for "morning star", lucifer, as a proper name ("Lucifer") for Satan as Satan was before his fall. As a result, "Lucifer has become a by-word for Satan in the Church and in popular literature", as in Dante Alighieri's Inferno and John Milton's Paradise Lost.

However, the Latin word lucifer kept its original positive sense for early Christians, as is evident from its use as a personal name by, among others, two 4th-century bishops, Lucifer of Cagliari and Lucifer of Siena, and its appearance in the Easter Proclamation as a description of Jesus. To their shame.
 
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@osiyo, yup and now you know Satan is not lucifer. lucifer prophecy is about the very human King of Babylon because it is a title the pagans used. This prophecy came to pass all ready.

The War in Heaven, well that my friends is also a prophecy yet to come. Jesus shall come quickly and throw the dragon down forever.
 
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Ella85

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So it is important to recognise the correct names?
 
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Job 1:6) Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
7 .) And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

[just me, but I go with Scripture...... :) ]
 
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Ella85

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Ok, yes I understand, I actually never knew that but glad I do now. It's interesting how even just a name can give something or someone a meaning.
 
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faroukfarouk

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Ella85 said:
Lucifer, satin, the devil, what is the right name and who cares?

All I know is that from how I feel the lord is telling me there was a true reason why he created the world in the way he did. He knows right from wrong, and he has a great plan for us.


Revelation 22:3-7

No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him. They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever. The angel said to me, "These words are trustworthy and true. The Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, sent his angel to show his servants the things that must soon take place." "Behold, I am coming soon! Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy in this book."



Sometimes I feel overwhelmed about how BRILLIANT heaven will be, how will our small our minds are to be able to comprehend how dazzling heaven will be. I know what the lord has prepared for us but my mind doesn't see it? It is way beyond my imagination and hard too see myself living such a different lifestyle.
I try to tell myself trust in the lord because I know he will make me comfortable and peaceful when I arrive but leaving our physical body and entering the kingdom is surely going to be such a shock. I wonder how will the lord prepare us as we leave our physical body and how do we know at the time of death we are entering the kingdom without a doubt in our minds?
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Ella:

Here are some good passages from 1 Thessalonians: in 1 Thessalonians 1.9-10, Paul addresses believers with a certain hope in the Lord Jesus like this:

'...Ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God: and to wait for His Son from heaven, Whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus, Which delivered us from the wrath to come.'

In 1 Thessalonians 4.16-18, Paul says:

'The Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.'

Blessings.
 
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faroukfarouk

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Ella85 said:
Ok, yes I understand, I actually never knew that but glad I do now. It's interesting how even just a name can give something or someone a meaning.
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Ella:

In Scripture, as I understand it, the words Lucifer, Satan and the devil are often used interchangeably.

But the believer isn't looking to Satan of course.

Rather, the believer is 'looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, Who for the joy that was set before Him endured the Cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. For consider Him that endured such contradiction of sinners against Him, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.' (Hebrews 12.2-3)
 
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Osiyo said:
Facts are interesting, are they important?

Lucifer (/ˈluːsɪfər/ or /ˈljuːsɪfər/) is the King James Version rendering of the Hebrew word הֵילֵל in Isaiah 14:12. This word, transliterated hêlêl or heylel, occurs only once in the Hebrew Bible and according to the KJV-influenced Strong's Concordance means "shining one, morning star, Lucifer". The word Lucifer is taken from the Latin Vulgate, which translates הֵילֵל as lucifer, meaning "the morning star, the planet Venus", or, as an adjective, "light-bringing". The Septuagint renders הֵילֵל in Greek as ἑωσφόρος (heōsphoros), a name, literally "bringer of dawn", for the morning star.

In this passage Isaiah applies to a king of Babylon the image of the morning star fallen from the sky, an image he is generally believed to have borrowed from a legend in Canaanite mythology.

The pseudepigrapha of pre-Christian Enochic Judaism, the form of Judaism witnessed to in 1 Enoch and 2 Enoch, which enjoyed much popularity during the Second Temple period, gave Satan an expanded role, interpreting Isaiah 14:12-15, with its reference to the morning star, as applicable to him, and presenting him as a fallen angel cast out of heaven for refusing, according to Jewish writings, to bow to Adam, of whom Satan was envious and jealous of the power over the earth granted to Adam.

Christian writers explained the motives of the angel's rebellion and the nature of his sin in the same way, but added pride against God, which they mention more frequently than envy or jealousy with regard to humanity.

Christian tradition, influenced by the Jewish presentation of the passage of Isaiah as applicable to Satan, came to use the Latin word for "morning star", lucifer, as a proper name ("Lucifer") for Satan as Satan was before his fall. As a result, "Lucifer has become a by-word for Satan in the Church and in popular literature", as in Dante Alighieri's Inferno and John Milton's Paradise Lost.

However, the Latin word lucifer kept its original positive sense for early Christians, as is evident from its use as a personal name by, among others, two 4th-century bishops, Lucifer of Cagliari and Lucifer of Siena, and its appearance in the Easter Proclamation as a description of Jesus. To their shame.
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This can be a little confusing given that “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.”

I am not saying anything, just asking.
 
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Timeline said:
This can be a little confusing given that “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.”

I am not saying anything, just asking.
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This joker has fallen to the lie that Jesus returned in 70 a.D. just so yall know.
 
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Kerry said:
This joker has fallen to the lie that Jesus returned in 70 a.D. just so yall know.
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I do believe that you have missed something, yes. But what does that have to do with the question at hand? I actually quoted a scripture straight from the bible and this is your response?
 
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Kerry

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I do believe that you have missed something, yes. But what does that have to do with the question at hand? I actually quoted a scripture straight from the bible and this is your response?
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Satan can quote scripture what makes you special.
 
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