#2: Why didn’t Jesus correct the Jews?

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+++To the fact that he Knew that they had the wrong idea and did nothing...
He told them about his death on a number of occasions. That may have been somewhat veiled but there were times when he flat out told them about his impending death and resurrection and the disciples still did not get it.
 
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He told them about his death on a number of occasions. That may have been somewhat veiled but there were times when he flat out told them about his impending death and resurrection and the disciples still did not get it.
Thank you..
 
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I'm so sorry. The context in which i was using the word flesh is not physical flesh but flesh of your mind. Flesh = thoughts, dreams, reasonings, solutions, or anything else that is conjured up by ourselves. Our temple is our temple and no we do not receive a new one. What we have is what we are given.

I don't know how much help I was but you are welcome. I pray you find the answer you were looking for. Meditation (Clear mind with no thoughts or pretenses on anything) always works for me. Have an awesomely blessed day.
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You are a nice person. I can tell.

I have done some work on body and Spirit.
The Christians spoke about TQO main Components making a SOUL.
It is not consistent BUT consistent enough...

Jesus flat out said:" the Flesh profits nothing."

Something is not happening...

GOD and Christ will have to work outside of Church...
Church is not working..
Keep well,
 
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ALaydeAlways

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Agreed.. Church is not working.
 
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You are a nice person. I can tell.

I have done some work on body and Spirit.
The Christians spoke about TQO main Components making a SOUL.
It is not consistent BUT consistent enough...

Jesus flat out said: " the Flesh profits nothing."

Something is not happening...

GOD and Christ will have to work outside of Church...
Church is not working..

Keep well,
So God's plan of salvation in Jesus Christ for all men who believe in Jesus of Nazareth; i.e.,
the church, is not working?

Is God's arm too short to effect his plan, and so it has stopped working?

You should check the Biblical record regarding God's effectiveness.

"He does as he pleases with the powers of heaven and the people of the earth." (Da 4:35)

Ps 115:3, 135:6; Ac 2:23, 4:28; Eph 1:11; Dt 28:63; Isa 46:10-11, 37:26; Job 9:12; Rev 4:11.

Your human notion makes God too small.
 
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So God's plan of salvation in Jesus Christ for all men who believe in Jesus of Nazareth; i.e.,
the church, is not working?
Is God's arm too short to effect his plan, and so it has stopped working?
You should check the Biblical record regarding God's effectiveness.
"He does as he pleases with the powers of heaven and the people of the earth." (Da 4:35)

Ps 115:3, 135:6; Ac 2:23, 4:28; Eph 1:11; Dt 28:63; Isa 46:10-11, 37:26; Job 9:12; Rev 4:11.
Your human notion makes God too small.
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I am looking for help to make it work for me
Please help if you can...
Regards,
 
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COMMENT:
Like Elin said.

Jesus spoke SPIRITUALLY = figuratively.

He brought attention to himself...

The Apostles WORK was to teach widely.

Many do not pay attention to Spiritual understanding
But it needed to avoid confusion.

E.G. The Temple is the anointed Christian.

No more Temple is needed...
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Col.1
[9] For this cause we (Apostles) also,
since the day we (about) heard it,
do not cease to pray (to the Father) for you,
and to desire that,
you might be filled with the knowledge of his (GOD's)
will (plan) in all wisdom and
spiritual understanding;
 
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ALaydeAlways

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#29
I'm sorry i did not read what you were saying fully. I was assuming you meant church as it is today is not working.

I try my best to live the lifestyle of Christianity by studying, praying, and meditating on His word not just in church but at home daily. My church, and the many egos in it, does not work for me as I always have to be more geared up for it than the world. I have heard many say the same about their place of worship. But I continue to go, as the Word is the Word and my focus is not on the people but on my Savior.

I am searching for another church home, one that is Christ focused and not one that feels they are entitled. Fellowship and correction however is important to the Body of Christ so I will continue at this one until God sees fit to place me in another. Who knows! Maybe He will transform the mind and hearts of my fellow members thus creating a "new" church home. Maybe it is even my own personal angst that disturbs my spirit. idk. I do pray that God searches my heart daily to fix whatever is not of Him. I pray the same for you.

Be blessed!
 
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I'm sorry i did not read what you were saying fully. I was assuming you meant church as it is today is not working.

I try my best to live the lifestyle of Christianity by studying, praying, and meditating on His word not just in church but at home daily. My church, and the many egos in it, does not work for me as I always have to be more geared up for it than the world. I have heard many say the same about their place of worship. But I continue to go, as the Word is the Word and my focus is not on the people but on my Savior.

I am searching for another church home, one that is Christ focused and not one that feels they are entitled. Fellowship and correction however is important to the Body of Christ so I will continue at this one until God sees fit to place me in another. Who knows! Maybe He will transform the mind and hearts of my fellow members thus creating a "new" church home. Maybe it is even my own personal angst that disturbs my spirit. idk. I do pray that God searches my heart daily to fix whatever is not of Him. I pray the same for you.

Be blessed!
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I meant Church today...

Christians are not trying...
Christians are a NEW Creation.
They are made such by Christ, the HAND of GOD.

Natural people trying to be Spiritual people,
could suffer mental problems.

Please take your case to GOD and Christ.
If you ask for help to be the right child and none is given
how is Jesus going to Judge you.
Jesus is the Hand of GOD who makes the NEW people...
I sense that you are desiring the right things...
Blessings on you...
 
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+++
Thank you much brother.
There is OBEDIENCE also.

John.7
[16] Jesus answered them, and said,
My doctrine is not mine, but GOD's who has sent me.
[17] If any man will do (OBEY) GOD's will,
then he shall know about the doctrine,
whether it is from GOD,
or whether I speak from myself.



Keep well,,,

Grace to you and yours...
Note the order Jesus gave above.

We do not understand in order to obey.

We obey in order to understand.

It is not information that gives us understanding,
it is obedience that gives us understanding.
 
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#32
Elin said:
So God's plan of salvation in Jesus Christ for all men who believe in Jesus of Nazareth; i.e.,
the church, is not working?
Is God's arm too short to effect his plan, and so it has stopped working?
You should check the Biblical record regarding God's effectiveness.
"He does as he pleases with the powers of heaven and the people of the earth." (Da 4:35)

Ps 115:3, 135:6; Ac 2:23, 4:28; Eph 1:11; Dt 28:63; Isa 46:10-11, 37:26; Job 9:12; Rev 4:11.

Your human notion makes God too small.
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I am looking for help to make it work for me.
Please help if you can...


Regards,
Could you be just a little more specific about what is not working for you?

Are you referring to saving faith?
 
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Note the order Jesus gave above.

We do not understand in order to obey.

We obey in order to understand.
It is not information that gives us understanding,
it is obedience that gives us understanding.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++

(You said): We obey in order to understand.
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Just because Christians MUST drive each other crazy;....
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Paul said:

2 Tim.2
[7] Consider what I (Paul) say
and the Lord (JESUS) >>> give you understanding in all things.
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Are you a Theologian???
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Grace to you and yours.
 
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COMMENT:
Like Elin said.

Jesus spoke SPIRITUALLY = figuratively.

He brought attention to himself...

The Apostles WORK was to teach widely.

Many do not pay attention to Spiritual understanding
But it needed to avoid confusion.
Spiritual understanding is of matters of the Holy Spirit,
it does not mean figuratively.

And it is given by the Holy Spirit to those who savingly believe/trust in Jesus Christ
as their personal Savior from God's wrath (Ro 5:9) on their sin at the final judgment.

The parables were figurative.
For example, the one about the sheep and the goats is a figure of the event of
final judgment.

E.G. The Temple is the anointed Christian.

No more Temple is needed...
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Because the Holy Spirit dwells within Christians
they are in reality the temple of the Holy Spirit,
just as in reality God dwelt among his people in the OT Temple.

Col.1
[9] For this cause we (Apostles) also,
since the day we (about) heard it,
do not cease to pray (to the Father) for you,
and to desire that,
you might be filled with the knowledge of his (GOD's)
will (plan) in all wisdom and
spiritual understanding;
That is understanding matters of the Holy Spirit.
 
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#35
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I meant Church today...

Christians are not trying...
Christians are a NEW Creation.
They are made such by Christ, the HAND of GOD.
Do you have a Biblical reference for Jesus as the HAND of GOD?

Natural people trying to be Spiritual people,
could suffer mental problems.

Please take your case to GOD and Christ.
If you ask for help to be the right child and none is given
how is Jesus going to Judge you.
Jesus is the Hand of GOD who makes the NEW people...
I sense that you are desiring the right things...
Blessings on you...
 
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#36
Elin said:
questioner1 said:
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Thank you much brother.
There is OBEDIENCE also.

John.7
[16] Jesus answered them, and said,
My doctrine is not mine, but GOD's who has sent me.

[17] If any man will do (OBEY) GOD's will,
then he shall know about the doctrine,
whether it is from GOD,
or whether I speak from myself.
Note the order Jesus gave above.

We do not understand in order to obey.


We obey in order to understand.


It is not information that gives us understanding,
it is obedience that gives us understanding.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++

(You said): We obey in order to understand.
I refer you to the Scripture you gave in your post above.

***
Just because Christians MUST drive each other crazy;....
+++
Paul said:

2 Tim.2
[7] Consider what I (Paul) say
and the Lord (JESUS) >>> give you understanding in all things.
+++
Are you a Theologian???
Would a theologian be helpful to you?
 
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#39
We must read and be aware of the Spiritual understanding.
It comes from the Father...