Why is God of Old testament considered cruel but God of new testament loving?
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i've never heard anyone that loves the Lord say "the God of the OT is cruel" -- it's only unbelievers that make this statement.
in fact, Jesus spoke just as harshly or even more harshly than what is written in the books of the prophets!
but there is one God, jealous over His own, chastising His children and righteously both judging the world and forbearing in mercy, and He does not change
in fact, Jesus spoke just as harshly or even more harshly than what is written in the books of the prophets!
but there is one God, jealous over His own, chastising His children and righteously both judging the world and forbearing in mercy, and He does not change
One of my friend here gave me this link( Why is God so different in the Old Testament than He is in the New Testament? ) just now but it the author talks in a diplomatic way.
He agrees old testament 's god, a god of wrath but doesn't clarify why is that so different from the loving god in new testament!
He agrees old testament 's god, a god of wrath but doesn't clarify why is that so different from the loving god in new testament!
They are different Gods because they operated under two different eras/dispensations: The cruelty was in the era of the law of Moses(Note: It did not actually start with Moses. Moses was just the formalization/ceremony of it) and the love was in the era of the true spirit(Christianity) of God. But the loving God cannot manifest until the first dispensation was abolished, thus the coming of jesus Christ, manifesting as the law in human form so that his death would signify the death of the law and his resurrection signifying the birth of a new system of justification that is apart from the now dead law.
This is at the heart of a new crisis in the church today. The great division the church has made between God and Christ in the OT and God and Christ in the NT is why God let us find the deep sea scrolls, to show us God has not changed and to give us an understanding of the life of the people God used to explain Himself to us. We are separated from those people's life by almost 6,000 years, we must understand.
Today, people put down the 613 laws God gave then, reading them legalistically instead of in spirit and truth. People turn a blind eye to the atonement God arranged for people through a shadow of Christ's blood then, and the blood of Christ after the resurrection. They forget that Christ is God, eternal God, working on eternal time instead of our time.
People read about stoning, not realizing God is telling people who had no jails that this is a serious offense. There are lots and lots of errors in understanding that God is a God of love and justice, and that is shown in the OT the very same as in the NT, it is the same God.
I just finished a commentary study on the OT put out by a man who spent eight years studying everything found about what the OT world was like. He is also a dedicated NT Christian, so he could relate all to how the NT expanded on the OT teaching. There is GREAT need for the church to understand our God as the OT shows Him.
Today, people put down the 613 laws God gave then, reading them legalistically instead of in spirit and truth. People turn a blind eye to the atonement God arranged for people through a shadow of Christ's blood then, and the blood of Christ after the resurrection. They forget that Christ is God, eternal God, working on eternal time instead of our time.
People read about stoning, not realizing God is telling people who had no jails that this is a serious offense. There are lots and lots of errors in understanding that God is a God of love and justice, and that is shown in the OT the very same as in the NT, it is the same God.
I just finished a commentary study on the OT put out by a man who spent eight years studying everything found about what the OT world was like. He is also a dedicated NT Christian, so he could relate all to how the NT expanded on the OT teaching. There is GREAT need for the church to understand our God as the OT shows Him.
You do need to clear your mind of all these things and start new with only the bible to teach. There are truths in the bible that all scripture expresses.
God is one, we have just one creator and one God. He manifests Himself three ways but God is one and the bible is a unit, not two books with two different Gods.
Jesus is not the law in human form, Jesus is our savior. Through Christ our sins are forgiven.
The law is alive, a part of God, a way for us to live a good life after we are saved.
Justification has always been through blood, nothing else. Adam's son Cain tried to use something else, it didn't work, only Christ, even if it was only a symbol of Christ's blood.
There is no first dispensation that was abolished, scripture does not say that, it is a man made idea.
God is one, we have just one creator and one God. He manifests Himself three ways but God is one and the bible is a unit, not two books with two different Gods.
Jesus is not the law in human form, Jesus is our savior. Through Christ our sins are forgiven.
The law is alive, a part of God, a way for us to live a good life after we are saved.
Justification has always been through blood, nothing else. Adam's son Cain tried to use something else, it didn't work, only Christ, even if it was only a symbol of Christ's blood.
There is no first dispensation that was abolished, scripture does not say that, it is a man made idea.
Greetings Danish,
Have you yet got to the point where you will affirm two obvious self-evident truths:
1) The God of the Bible exists and
2) The Bible is the Word of God?
The logical implication is that Allah is not God, but an idol.
and the Qur'an is false.
And what are you waiting for?
Are you ready to take the knee today and do the call upon the name of the LORD?
The LORD in Rom 10:13 is the Lord Jesus, further identified as YHWH in the book of Joel by way of citation and application.
Have you yet got to the point where you will affirm two obvious self-evident truths:
1) The God of the Bible exists and
2) The Bible is the Word of God?
The logical implication is that Allah is not God, but an idol.
and the Qur'an is false.
And what are you waiting for?
Are you ready to take the knee today and do the call upon the name of the LORD?
The LORD in Rom 10:13 is the Lord Jesus, further identified as YHWH in the book of Joel by way of citation and application.
Well RedTent, indeed there has ever been but one plan of salvation in the Bible, only some things are dispensational. Now since you don't live in the Garden of Eden, going around naked, being a gardener, being sinless; how can you say there was no first dispensation? Surely you don't think you are obligated to be a gardener.
The fact is that some rules in the Bible were given to only certain people and only for certain time periods, in contrast with eternal principles of righteousness. You cannot be a Christian without doing dispensational interpretation, or you shall be wanting to offer animal sacrifices and observe the 7th year sabbath. You will be building an ark because Noah was told to do so. There definitely is a Dispensation of the Law of Moses that ended at the cross. That is not to say that in the Law there are not eternal principles of righteousness; indeed the Law has the commands to love the Lord with all the might and the neighbor as self. In Matthew 10 there are dispensational rules for missionaries, which I doubt many missionaries would follow today. If you own more than 1 coat, you need to come up with a dispensational approach to the gospel teaching about 2 coats.
BTW, you also said that God manifests Himself three ways. If that is all the Trinity means to someone, then that someone is a modalist, a heretic who as denied the Trinity. God has 3 egos or persons, not just 3 modes of operation.
The fact is that some rules in the Bible were given to only certain people and only for certain time periods, in contrast with eternal principles of righteousness. You cannot be a Christian without doing dispensational interpretation, or you shall be wanting to offer animal sacrifices and observe the 7th year sabbath. You will be building an ark because Noah was told to do so. There definitely is a Dispensation of the Law of Moses that ended at the cross. That is not to say that in the Law there are not eternal principles of righteousness; indeed the Law has the commands to love the Lord with all the might and the neighbor as self. In Matthew 10 there are dispensational rules for missionaries, which I doubt many missionaries would follow today. If you own more than 1 coat, you need to come up with a dispensational approach to the gospel teaching about 2 coats.
BTW, you also said that God manifests Himself three ways. If that is all the Trinity means to someone, then that someone is a modalist, a heretic who as denied the Trinity. God has 3 egos or persons, not just 3 modes of operation.
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if you actually read the OT It shows Gods mercy and love. When he did go in judgment, It was after hundreds of years of sin (take for example the people of canaan) and when he did cause destruction, it was usually when their was no hope of repentance (remember he said he would save two great cities if even only a few were God lovers)
Also, if you read trevelations, the future wrath of God will be so severe, even the OT will pale in comparison. God is just taking a hands off approach now.
Also, if you read trevelations, the future wrath of God will be so severe, even the OT will pale in comparison. God is just taking a hands off approach now.
Christ came to show who the Father really is:
Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
People only think God was nasty in the Old Testament because they don't bother to understand why things were done the way they were. But there is no difference between Gods ways in the Old and His ways In the new. only a shallow reading gives the impression that they are different.
Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
People only think God was nasty in the Old Testament because they don't bother to understand why things were done the way they were. But there is no difference between Gods ways in the Old and His ways In the new. only a shallow reading gives the impression that they are different.
If you are still around then tell us there is a difference, it's just during the Church age His wrath is being stored up until that Day...no difference.*****†*****Revelation 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
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TrueDanish, if you're really not FakeAgnostic or TrueMuslim and are willing to listen and learn and not act like a troll, this article will help you some in your understanding. Read it!
God moral monster - creation.com
God moral monster - creation.com
Crass Marcionism not Christian ..http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MarcionismThe Church is in sorry shape when it starts believing this stuff.