Why Learn the Old Testament

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JaumeJ

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Luk 16:27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
Luk 16:28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
Luk 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
Luk 16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

I ask many, how do you expect to be in good standing with our Savior if you do not believe Moses and the prophets?

How can you say you believe Yeshua, Jesus, if you do not even know His Word from the beginning.

Read all of the Word; It really is important.

God bless all in Yeshua, Jesus, amen.
 
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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to JaumeJ again.
 
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How much of Moses does one need to know to 'believe' Jesus?
Moses is written in our hearts, it's called our conscience.
Even pagans know down deep they are guilty and hence do self sacrifices.

It's the Gospel that we need to rehear over and over because it is something that is extra-nos (outside us).

The rich man disbelieved Moses and many disbelieve their conscience believing everything is ok.
 
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I think we should study the old as well as the new so as to know the differences between the two. To learn from the mistakes that were learned then so that we would not have to repeat them. The books of the prophets, although hard to understand, give us the insight to see that all God has spoken has and will come to pass. The coming of Christ is represented throughout. There is much comfort and support in the old testament as well as much learning to be aquired. It's the Holy Word of God Himself. It's the foundation of things.
 
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Then he said to them,
“These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you,
that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.”
(Luke 24:44)

isn't this reason enough?
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The more I study the more I see the NT quoting the OT. Turns out "New" does not mean original.
 
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"How can you say you believe Yeshua, Jesus, if you do not even know His Word from the beginning."

The thief on the cross next to Jesus had no problem saying it. Whether he knew His Word from the beginning isn't really the focus. Rather if he knows His WORD ( who is Jesus) in the present.

I believe that studying the whole Bible is beneficial, however God will call people to do His will in different ways.
 
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Jesus answered you when He said during the Sermon o the Mount in Matthew 5:17 and 18, "Do not think that I came to destroy THE LAW or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from THE LAW till all is fulfilled."

How can we understand what he is talking about without studying the source? I have been studying the book of Proverbs for the past few weeks. You hear it misquoted so much today. Take a look at the wisdom of the "wisest man that ever lived". Maybe you'll find out just how important the Old Testament really is.

May God Bless you and those around you.
Billy
 
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There are lots of reasons to know the Old Testament, even if it is difficult for us to read. The people God used to explain to us lived so long ago our culture has changed, even words mean different things to us now. That is why God has helped us learn ancient history through archeology, now.

Jesus taught within the Hebrew culture, He constantly referred to that culture and teaching. We need to know what he was referring to.

Most of the people Jesus spoke to knew OT and Moses well, we have the scripture and Jesus expects us to know it well, too.

Jesus came to fulfill the law, it is difficult to understand if we don't know the law that He changed and fulfilled, or how He did that.

The bible is one book, not two, and the two parts of this book are completely intertwined. Over 3/4 of this book tells us what we need to know about Jesus before He lived as a man. Afterward, the book refers constantly to this time, we need to know what it refers to. The last chapter is a very short one, although a very satisfying one.

Like the last chapter in any book that wraps up all that went before, you can best understand the last chapter when you know what led up to it.
 
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posthuman said:
Then he said to them,
“These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you,
that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.”
(Luke 24:44)

isn't this reason enough?
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I suppose it would be a good reason if one could actually find where "Jesus" was ever mentioned in the Torah, Prophets and the Writings.
 
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Selihah said:
I suppose it would be a good reason if one could actually find where "Jesus" was ever mentioned in the Torah, Prophets and the Writings.
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His Name, Savior, was revealed in the New Testament, but the Old Testament is full of His blest Person and work: Isaiah 53; Psalm 2; Psalm 110.1, Proverbs 8, for example, contain the clearest of Messianic references.
 
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Selihah said:
I suppose it would be a good reason if one could actually find where "Jesus" was ever mentioned in the Torah, Prophets and the Writings.
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Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Joh 1:2 He was with God in the beginning. Joh 1:3 All things were created through Him, and apart from Him not one thing was created that has been created. Joh 1:4 Life was in Him, and that life was the light of men. Joh 1:5 That light shines in the darkness, yet the darkness did not overcome it.

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

 
p_rehbein

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In my opinion, it is very necessary for believers to read and learn from the First Testament........as well as the New Testament. The First Testament contains a wealth of knowledge and wisdom that can be applied to our lives today. The Book of Job is one example that comes first to mind, but there are many other Books worthy of knowing as well.

That being said.............there is a difference in "learning" and "living" the First Testament. We today, the Church, are under Grace; the New Covenant, not the Law of the First Testament.

I read/study the First Testament a lot..............and enjoy what I learn/glean from those studies.

(just saying)
 
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Billyd said:
Jesus answered you when He said during the Sermon o the Mount in Matthew 5:17 and 18, "Do not think that I came to destroy THE LAW or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from THE LAW till all is fulfilled."

How can we understand what he is talking about without studying the source? I have been studying the book of Proverbs for the past few weeks. You hear it misquoted so much today. Take a look at the wisdom of the "wisest man that ever lived". Maybe you'll find out just how important the Old Testament really is.

May God Bless you and those around you.
Billy
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Your comment would have been better served IF YOU HAD TYPED "FULFILLED" IN BOLD LETTERS AND IN RED. Jesus DID FULFILL the LAW............ :)
 
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I apologize for the neglect. Emphasis on the law (should have included the prophets) was to call attention to the fact that Jesus deemed them eternal, and we need to understand them. You are right. He was the fulfillment of the law, but He did not change the law. In fact, the verses following Matthew 5:17 and 18 illustrate just how important they are.
 
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Why study the Old Testament? At the very least, critical study engages the evolution of Judaism from polytheism to henotheism to monotheism, which is useful in the context of understanding the historical origins of the Christian movement.
 
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One of many reasons for reading the OT is to better understand Israel and it's future in the Millenium.
oh yeah, Israel never evolved from Polytheism (that's secular hogwash) but devolved into it.
 
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JaumeJ

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There is nothing wrong with not knowing anything as long as one is open to understand when enlightened. When I read the Tanakh, Old Testament, Jesus is throughout. His words are foretold, His name is mentioned, and His mission is deliniated fully. One need not be a Hebrew scholar to be living in grace, but one should not have the audacity to claim to be able to refute anything that is already written and true.

In an older form of His name, He is mentioned in Zechariah 3, where He is given His mission. Joshua is the older form of Yeshua, which He was named in Hebrew. Yeshua may be translated as Salvation. He is quoted in the Psalms, quoted as from the cross.

There is so much more, but you must read and understand the Old Testament before assuming to refute what others have known for some time. Yahweh, God, bless you and enlighten your heart, soul and mind in every manner, amen. Keep on the Way Jesus, Yeshua, has given you.

Selihah said:
I suppose it would be a good reason if one could actually find where "Jesus" was ever mentioned in the Torah, Prophets and the Writings.
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All Scripture is God-breathed and profitable.
 
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