Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved

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Lets examine that verse...

Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Sounds good at first glance, right? Lets take a closer look...

Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.


Paul had told the jailer that he would be saved if he only had to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and that the jailer's family would be saved as well. The jailer and his family would be saved upon the jailer's belief. Now we know that's not right. Lets do a further examination...


Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.


Which of the following are we to do?

1. call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
2. endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
3. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved


Here is one more scripture:
John 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

lets look at this living water...
Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
Acts 2:2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
Acts 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Acts 2:12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?
Acts 2:13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.

(note that there were those mocking. I guess some things just don't change. But for those who did not mock, lets find out what happens)...

Acts 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
Acts 2:15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
Acts 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Acts 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

(That is the million dollar question. Lets find out how to be saved the Bible Way)

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.


To be saved is to:
1. Repent
2. Water baptized in Jesus name (for the remission of sins)
3. Holy Spirit


Let me take a moment to say that the four gospels introduce us to Christ. The Book of Acts tells us how to get saved. And, the Epistles tells us how to stay saved. The Epistles were written to churches that had already got saved, they are not written to rank sinners on how to get saved.


God bless!
 
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Lets examine that verse...

Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Sounds good at first glance, right? Lets take a closer look...

Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.


Paul had told the jailer that he would be saved if he only had to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and that the jailer's family would be saved as well. The jailer and his family would be saved upon the jailer's belief. Now we know that's not right. Lets do a further examination...


Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.


Which of the following are we to do?

1. call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
2. endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
3. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved


Here is one more scripture:
John 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

lets look at this living water...
Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
Acts 2:2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
Acts 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Acts 2:12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?
Acts 2:13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.

(note that there were those mocking. I guess some things just don't change. But for those who did not mock, lets find out what happens)...

Acts 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
Acts 2:15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
Acts 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Acts 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

(That is the million dollar question. Lets find out how to be saved the Bible Way)

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.


To be saved is to:
1. Repent
2. Water baptized in Jesus name (for the remission of sins)
3. Holy Spirit


Let me take a moment to say that the four gospels introduce us to Christ. The Book of Acts tells us how to get saved. And, the Epistles tells us how to stay saved. The Epistles were written to churches that had already got saved, they are not written to rank sinners on how to get saved.


God bless!


[1]Paul never said the jailer had to be baptised in order to be saved, He said, "BELIEVE ON THE LORD".

[2]Peter didn't say, Be baptised for the remission of sins.
The Greek says it's the repenting that remits sins, Not baptism.
This is the way that the people would have heard and understood Peter.
"Repent everyone of you for the remission of sins and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost".
Water baptism come after one is saved, Not to save one.

[3]The Greek emphasis for, "Saved" in Mk 16: 16, Is on the "Believing", Not baptism.
 
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[1]Paul never said the jailer had to be baptised in order to be saved, He said, "BELIEVE ON THE LORD".

[2]Peter didn't say, Be baptised for the remission of sins.
The Greek says it's the repenting that remits sins, Not baptism.
This is the way that the people would have heard and understood Peter.
"Repent everyone of you for the remission of sins and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost".
Water baptism come after one is saved, Not to save one.

[3]The Greek emphasis for, "Saved" in Mk 16: 16, Is on the "Believing", Not baptism.
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[TD]Yes that's what Paul told the jailer. But lets follow this through...

Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.


If the jailer believes he will be saved and thy house? We need to look further...

Acts 16:32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.
Acts 16:33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.
Acts 16:34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.


Now we have a more clear picture...

1. They all were gathered at the house.
2. Jesus was preached unto them
3. Somewhere in preaching Jesus, water baptism was preached
4. They were in the house and went outside of the house to be baptized
5. They returned back inside the house


Jesus said to Nicodemous...

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.


Remember water and spirit. lets continue...

Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
[38] Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
[39] For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.


Question: Why didn't Peter lead them through a sinner's prayer? Why didn't Peter say to accept Jesus as their personal saviour? Why didn't he say to simply "believe"? If there was ever a time to do all that, this certainly would have been it.

That is what happened on the birth day of the New Testament Church. The New Testament Plan for Salvation has not altered, it remains the same.

Let's turn to the book of Matthew...

Matthew 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
[25] For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

If we are to take up our cross and follow Jesus we would have to do what he did. We would have to symbolize his death, burial, and resurrection. And, that is exactly what Peter said to do.

1. Repent = symbolic death
2. Be water baptized = symbolic burial
3. Receive Holy Spirit = symbolic resurrection

Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
[5] For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:


God bless!

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To be saved is to:
1. Repent
2. Water baptized in Jesus name (for the remission of sins)
3. Holy Spirit
Greetings in Christ Jesus,

Jesus fulfilled the law that we might be justified by faith in the name of Jesus Christ who died for our sins, was buried, and rose again the third day (1 Cor. 15:1-4), and not by faith plus water baptism or plus anything else.

Ceremonies are now filthy rags (Gal. 5:1-6).

To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. (Acts 10:43-44)

Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ (Rom. 5:1)

This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? (Gal. 3:2)

If water baptism were relevant to salvation whatsoever, it would have to be mentioned everywhere salvation is mentioned.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. (John 3:16-18)

he that believeth not shall be damned. (Mark 16:16)

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God (Eph. 2:8)

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. (Rom. 10:17)

Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures (1 Cor. 15:1-4)

In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise (Eph. 1:13)

Jesus's command is to teach all nations, preach the gospel, whereby all who hear the Word and believe in Jesus Christ receive remission of sins and are baptized by Jesus with the Holy Ghost:

teach all nations, baptizing them (Matt. 28:19)

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved (Mark 16:16)

Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved. And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning. Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God? (Acts 11:14-17)

Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. (John 15:3)

And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. (1 John 3:23)

For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. (Gal. 5:14)

For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. (Rom. 10:4)

Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. (Gal. 5:4)

I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be. (Gal. 5:10)

God bless, in Christ Jesus

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Paul had told the jailer that he would be saved if he only had to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and that the jailer's family would be saved as well. The jailer and his family would be saved upon the jailer's belief. Now we know that's not right.​

"Now we know that's not right"? How so?

In your discussion here, you never once showed a verse that contradicted it directly. While I take it as a given that this isn't consistent with what most Christians believe, we don't know "that's not right" from the evidence presented. When I was a kid in AWANA, I remember memorizing this verse as Act 16:31a, which removed the "you and your household part" from the verse because it was inconvenient.

In your research, you also didn't come across (or didn't present) Jesus' answer to this direct question from the Rich Young Ruler in which he commanded the man to keep the commandments and sell his possessions -- none of the requirements you listed even came up in that conversation. The reason why such a simple thing as "how does one become saved" is so confusing is because the bible isn't consistent and contains contradictions. The reason why many infer that one's household doesn't also gain salvation is because 1) this is the only passage where such a thing is even mentioned and 2) it could lead to logical contradictions such as a person being saved and not even aware of it because someone else in his or her household had gained him or her salvation on their behalf.
 

CWJ

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The words of Miles Coverdale (a 16th century Bible Translator) come to mind when I read your entries, 'Endtimes',

'It shall greatly helpe ye to understande Scripture,
if thou mark, not only what is spoken, or wrytten;
but of whom,
and to whom,
with what words,
at what time,
where,
to what intent,
with what circumstance,
considering what goeth before,
and what followeth.'

This is vital to proper understanding I believe. For during the gospels water baptism was a requisite for repentance, both the baptism of John and of Jesus Christ our Lord. During the Acts period, as witnessed by it's record, and of the epistles written during that period show, both water baptism and baptism in the Spirit, by the laying on of hands, went hand in hand. However in the epistles written following the Acts period (Eph. Phil. Col. 2 Tim & Titus), after the laying aside (temporarily) of Israel in unbelief, the only baptism is that of the Spirit. It is baptism into Christ's death, and is a work of the Spirit, for all is of the spirit, the flesh has no part to play.

'And many other signs truly did Jesus
in the presence of His disciples,
which are not written in this book:

But these are written,
that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ,
the Son of God;
and that believing
ye might have life through His Name.'

(John 20:30,31)

In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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There is no contradictions in the Bible. The contradictions are caused by those who do not study and understand the meaning / traditions / and the concept of using all scriptures together to get the full meaning. Instead to many read one verse and go with it to fit how they want to believe.

Mentioning everything Jesus said was not the case that had to be done in the epistles or letters, because going by what Jesus said is all summed up in the verses that say, believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. To believe in Him is also to believe in everything He said as well, and what He taught/told the Apostles to do was not just for the few years He taught them. Jesus told them to carry those teachings on.

The reason why the jailers household was saved as well was because of his acceptance of the word about Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior also led his family to accept Jesus as well. Just cause you believe in Jesus does not mean that the rest of your family or household will be saved to, they have to accept Jesus as well. Jesus makes this evident in Matthew 10:34-36.
 
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[TD]Yes that's what Paul told the jailer. But lets follow this through...

Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.


If the jailer believes he will be saved and thy house? We need to look further...

Acts 16:32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.
Acts 16:33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.
Acts 16:34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.


Now we have a more clear picture...

1. They all were gathered at the house.
2. Jesus was preached unto them
3. Somewhere in preaching Jesus, water baptism was preached
4. They were in the house and went outside of the house to be baptized
5. They returned back inside the house


Jesus said to Nicodemous...

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.


Remember water and spirit. lets continue...

Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
[38] Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
[39] For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.


Question: Why didn't Peter lead them through a sinner's prayer? Why didn't Peter say to accept Jesus as their personal saviour? Why didn't he say to simply "believe"? If there was ever a time to do all that, this certainly would have been it.

That is what happened on the birth day of the New Testament Church. The New Testament Plan for Salvation has not altered, it remains the same.

Let's turn to the book of Matthew...

Matthew 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
[25] For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

If we are to take up our cross and follow Jesus we would have to do what he did. We would have to symbolize his death, burial, and resurrection. And, that is exactly what Peter said to do.

1. Repent = symbolic death
2. Be water baptized = symbolic burial
3. Receive Holy Spirit = symbolic resurrection

Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
[5] For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:


God bless!
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Please note, Paul said to the jailor, "Believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved".
Nothing about baptism, If baptism was anything to do with salvation, Paul would have said,
Be baptised and you will be saved".

Can't you see how you are adding your own thoughts to the scriptures.


Born of water in Jn 3: 5, Isn't water baptism, False religions made that lie up.
Please note what Jesus didn't say,
"You must be born of the Spirit and baptised in water", DID HE??.

Peter never said baptism saves, in Acts 2: 38.
If you know the Greek, You would know what Peter said.

This is the way the people would have heard and understood Peter.
"Repent everyone of you for the remission of sins", then they would receive the Holy Ghost and could be baptised.

In the Greek there are persons and numbers, And they both have to agree in order to build a doctrine,
And Repent and you will receive the Holy Ghost, are both the same in person and number.
But Be baptised everyone of you, Are different in person and number.

So Peter couldn't have said be baptised for the remission of sins.

Baptism in Rom 6:, Is symbolic of salvation.

The Greek says,
"Water baptism is the expression of salvation, Not the medium, The symbol, not the cause"

Anyone who knows the Bible and the Greek Bible texts, will know that water baptism doesn't save.
 
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Please note, Paul said to the jailor, "Believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved".
Nothing about baptism, If baptism was anything to do with salvation, Paul would have said,
Be baptised and you will be saved".

Can't you see how you are adding your own thoughts to the scriptures.


Born of water in Jn 3: 5, Isn't water baptism, False religions made that lie up.
Please note what Jesus didn't say,
"You must be born of the Spirit and baptised in water", DID HE??.

Peter never said baptism saves, in Acts 2: 38.
If you know the Greek, You would know what Peter said.

This is the way the people would have heard and understood Peter.
"Repent everyone of you for the remission of sins", then they would receive the Holy Ghost and could be baptised.

In the Greek there are persons and numbers, And they both have to agree in order to build a doctrine,
And Repent and you will receive the Holy Ghost, are both the same in person and number.
But Be baptised everyone of you, Are different in person and number.

So Peter couldn't have said be baptised for the remission of sins.

Baptism in Rom 6:, Is symbolic of salvation.

The Greek says,
"Water baptism is the expression of salvation, Not the medium, The symbol, not the cause"

Anyone who knows the Bible and the Greek Bible texts, will know that water baptism doesn't save.

Sometimes folks pick one piece of the post to respond to, and throw the rest out like driving over a speed bump in the road. Please scroll up for the answer.

Thank you!
God bless.
 

p_rehbein

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QUOTE:

Paul had told the jailer that he would be saved if he only had to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and that the jailer's family would be saved as well. The jailer and his family would be saved upon the jailer's belief. Now we know that's not right. Lets do a further examination...

END QUOTE...........

Actually, all Paul was saying is that IF THOSE IN HIS HOUSE/HIS FAMILY ALSO BELIEVED, that salvation was available to them as well............pretty simple.........
 

Dan_473

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imo, the bible talks about several ways to be saved... there's even women having children in 1 tim 2... imo this is because people read the bible in different ways, as they would with anything that's written... so God talks in different ways so that different kinds of people can hear his voice... just like on the day of pentecost... each heard in his own language...

grace and peace to you!
 

p_rehbein

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It surely does depend on how one reads the Word of God..........however...........there is ONLY ONE way to Heaven/Salvation.

:)

(that is abundantly clear in Scripture.............)
 
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For it is written, open eyes because the text as a whole has the entire message and is understandable ACTS 16:25-34
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But at midnight Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns to God, and the prisoners were listening to them. [SUP]26 [/SUP]Suddenly there was a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison were shaken; and immediately all the doors were opened and everyone’s chains were loosed. [SUP]27 [/SUP]And the keeper of the prison, awaking from sleep and seeing the prison doors open, supposing the prisoners had fled, drew his sword and was about to kill himself. [SUP]28 [/SUP]But Paul called with a loud voice, saying, “Do yourself no harm, for we are all here.”
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Then he called for a light, ran in, and fell down trembling before Paul and Silas. [SUP]30 [/SUP]And he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
[SUP]31 [/SUP]So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.” [SUP]32 [/SUP]Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all who were in his house. [SUP]33 [/SUP]And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their stripes. And immediately he and all his family were baptized. [SUP]34 [/SUP]Now when he had brought them into his house, he set food before them; and he rejoiced, having believed in God with all his household.

We do see and understand, and if so the question is answered? Praise the Lord for the Blood that bought us out of the world of darkness.
 
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Sometimes folks pick one piece of the post to respond to, and throw the rest out like driving over a speed bump in the road. Please scroll up for the answer.

Thank you!
God bless.


You have given your own opinions, whereas I have given you Biblical and Greek facts
 
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Water baptism come after one is saved, Not to save one.
Let me help you understand this waterbaptism has still no part in salvation... NONE!

Look here,,, these people were waterbaptzed as many believe but they were not saved yet... Acts 2...Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

And then tis followed... And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

I ask this... If the three thousand were baptized and I believe they were because the Bible said they were... were they now saved? Well in my belief NOT is it were a water bptism.... I know for a fact there is only ONE BAPTISM that saves... the moment God baptize you with the Holy Spirit you are saved. This I know and I have no doubt in this matter. Eph 4 talks about one Baptism and I know it is the Holy Spirit and Fire Baptism.

Now I know Cornelius were or might have been baptized with water in acts 10 AFTER he and his people were baptized with the Holy Spirit. I ask WHY? Why baptize a man with water, AFTER God baptized him with Holy Spirit. It seems so unneccasary. Except if the Jews just love to perform their rituals and old man traditions... And that is why Peter and Paul had words... Peter was not destined to preach to the Gentiles, that was reserved for Paul...

No water baptism has anything to do with salvation. It is the GIFT of the Holy Spirit that saves... And God calls it BAPTISM of Holy Ghost, or Holy Ghost FALL ON THEM, or BORN OF GOD, or BELIEVE IN CHRIST.. etc etc.


To believe IN CHRIST, we have to be IN CHRIST, and HE IN US... Only way Chrsit will EVER be in a person is if God gives the SPIRIT OF CHRIST TO REMAIN IN THAT PERSON... God calls it the SEED OF GOD REMAIN IN THE PERSON... And look what is the charactoristic of such a person....
1 John 3:9... Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

If a person tells me I BELIEVE IN GOD (Jesus) he better not sin EVER, or I will not believe him. If a person tells me he is born again (BORN OF GOD) he better not sin EVER and he better get ALL he ask from God or I will NEVER believe him. Either he or God is lying if he is still a sinner and gets no prayers answered....

God aid this... 1 John 3:22... And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him,
Also ... 1 John 3:8 ... He that committeth sin is of the devil;

Oh the whole Bible is full of wonderful promises of God, I hope they would also realize in me. Amen!
 
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Actually, all Paul was saying is that IF THOSE IN HIS HOUSE/HIS FAMILY ALSO BELIEVED, that salvation was available to them as well............pretty simple.........

lets look at exactly what happens as it unfolds...

Acts 16:23 And when they had laid many stripes upon them, they cast them into prison, charging the jailor to keep them safely:
Acts 16:24 Who, having received such a charge, thrust them into the inner prison, and made their feet fast in the stocks.
Acts 16:25 And at midnight Paul and Silas prayed, and sang praises unto God: and the prisoners heard them.
Acts 16:26 And suddenly there was a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison were shaken: and immediately all the doors were opened, and every one's bands were loosed.
Acts 16:27 And the keeper of the prison awaking out of his sleep, and seeing the prison doors open, he drew out his sword, and would have killed himself, supposing that the prisoners had been fled.
Acts 16:28 But Paul cried with a loud voice, saying, Do thyself no harm: for we are all here.

(note the man is in stress and ready to kill himself ... lets continue)

Acts 16:29 Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas,
Acts 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.



I will admit that the verse is a bit ambiguous because it may be seen as either way. It may also be seen as though Paul was prophesying to him because in the very next verse it came to pass. Lets continue...

Acts 16:32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.
Acts 16:33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.
Acts 16:34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.


Though it may be a bit ambiguous, one thing is for sure, that somewhere in preaching Jesus, water baptism was preached and they ALL went from the house to the OUTSIDE and got water baptized and RETURNED inside the house.

Also note that the baptism was not a sprinkling of water on the forehead, which is not anymore of a real baptism than sprinkling a bit of dirt on the corps at a funeral.


Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Romans 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:



God bless!
 
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Paul had told the jailer that he would be saved if he only had to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and that the jailer's family would be saved as well. The jailer and his family would be saved upon the jailer's belief. Now we know that's not right. Lets do a further examination...

END QUOTE...........

Actually, all Paul was saying is that IF THOSE IN HIS HOUSE/HIS FAMILY ALSO BELIEVED, that salvation was available to them as well............pretty simple.........
Agreed. A better way to read the verse might be, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved. The same goes for everyone in your house."
 

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What about those who don't believe and are on their deathbed, repent, and give their life to Jesus? They aren't baptized, they're about to die and have true life. The Lord won't condemn them to hell simply because they didn't get water poured on their head/submerge their head under water.
 
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Let me help you understand this waterbaptism has still no part in salvation... NONE!

Look here,,, these people were waterbaptzed as many believe but they were not saved yet... Acts 2...Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

And then tis followed... And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

I ask this... If the three thousand were baptized and I believe they were because the Bible said they were... were they now saved? Well in my belief NOT is it were a water bptism.... I know for a fact there is only ONE BAPTISM that saves... the moment God baptize you with the Holy Spirit you are saved. This I know and I have no doubt in this matter. Eph 4 talks about one Baptism and I know it is the Holy Spirit and Fire Baptism.

Now I know Cornelius were or might have been baptized with water in acts 10 AFTER he and his people were baptized with the Holy Spirit. I ask WHY? Why baptize a man with water, AFTER God baptized him with Holy Spirit. It seems so unneccasary. Except if the Jews just love to perform their rituals and old man traditions... And that is why Peter and Paul had words... Peter was not destined to preach to the Gentiles, that was reserved for Paul...

No water baptism has anything to do with salvation. It is the GIFT of the Holy Spirit that saves... And God calls it BAPTISM of Holy Ghost, or Holy Ghost FALL ON THEM, or BORN OF GOD, or BELIEVE IN CHRIST.. etc etc.


To believe IN CHRIST, we have to be IN CHRIST, and HE IN US... Only way Chrsit will EVER be in a person is if God gives the SPIRIT OF CHRIST TO REMAIN IN THAT PERSON... God calls it the SEED OF GOD REMAIN IN THE PERSON... And look what is the charactoristic of such a person....
1 John 3:9... Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

If a person tells me I BELIEVE IN GOD (Jesus) he better not sin EVER, or I will not believe him. If a person tells me he is born again (BORN OF GOD) he better not sin EVER and he better get ALL he ask from God or I will NEVER believe him. Either he or God is lying if he is still a sinner and gets no prayers answered....

God aid this... 1 John 3:22... And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him,
Also ... 1 John 3:8 ... He that committeth sin is of the devil;

Oh the whole Bible is full of wonderful promises of God, I hope they would also realize in me. Amen!




I know water baptism doesn't save.


If we keep v41, in context with Acts 2: 38--41.
They heard the gospel, Vs 38-40.
They knew they had to believe and repent. V38. And they did, V41.
Then they were baptised, AFTER they believed.


Paul mentions baptisms, [Plural], Heb 6: 2.
The "One baptism], Eph 4: 5, is the rebirth, 1 Cor 12: 13.
Then there is baptism in water.
Then there is the baptism in the Holy Ghost, Which is a separate experience to the rebirth.
In Acts 8: 14--17, The disciple were ALREADY saved and baptised in water, But they weren't baptised in the Holy Ghost until the Apostles laid hands on them, V17..
Paul askes believers if they had been baptised in the Holy Ghost since they believed.
If the baptism in the Holy Ghost was salvation, [The rebirth], Pauls question wouldn't make any sense, He would have know they had received the baptism in the Holy Ghost.
 
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Paul had told the jailer that he would be saved if he only had to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and that the jailer's family would be saved as well. The jailer and his family would be saved upon the jailer's belief.
That's false teaching, Paul said believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved ! Because one must be saved before they can believe ! The Gospel is hid to them that are Lost, so that they believe not 2 Cor 4:3-4

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Also, believing/ Faith pleases God, and none in the flesh, unregenerate can please God Rom 8:8

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. No one in the flesh can obey the command to believe on Christ, its impossible !