Paul vs jesus

TrueDanish · May 26, 2014

Why does paul try to teach other than what jesus said??Jesus said:"Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them."[Matt. 5:17,18]But Paul said:"Christ is the end of the law, that every one who has faith may be justified."[Rom. 10:4]Jesus said:"If you want to enter life, obey the commandments."[Matth-ew 19:17]But Paul said:"He (Jesus) brought an end to the commandments and demands found in Moses'Teachings..."[-Eph. 2:15]Jesus said:"And do not call anyone on earth'father,'for you have one Father, and he is in heaven."[Matthew 23:9]But Paul says:"For I became your father in Christ Jesus when I preached the Good News to you."[1 Corinthians 4:15]Jesus says:"Go and learn what this means,`I desire mercy, and not sacrifice."[Matt. 9:13]But Paul says:"For Christ, our paschal lamb, has been sacrificed."[1Cor. 5:7]James said:"You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone."[James 2:24]But Paul says:"For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.[Romans 3:28]Old Testment says:"The law of the LORD is perfect, reviving the soul."[Psalm 19:7]But Paul said:"Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law."[Galatians 3:13]

CWJ · May 26, 2014

Hi TrueDanish,

Paul was an Apostle of Jesus Christ- by the will of God. (Eph. 1:1; Col.1:1; 2 Tim.1:1)

An Apostle is a messenger. Paul was a messenger of the ascended Christ, and walked in accordance with the will of God. I suggest you look carefully at the context of each verse quoted, and consider when they were written and why, with what intent etc., considering what had occurred to make the changes necessary.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

p_rehbein · May 26, 2014

I knew you were a reincarnation of members past!

The Paul hater reveals himself finally............sigh.........

Paul taught the Gospel of Jesus Christ..........THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST!

but, you go ahead with your wee little effort to discredit him................goodness............

chubbena · May 26, 2014

2 Peter 3:16-17 best explains it:
He (Paul) writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction. Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure position.

Grandpa · May 26, 2014

2 Peter 3:15-18
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
[SUP]16 [/SUP]As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

endtimes · May 26, 2014

TrueDanish said:

Why does paul try to teach other than what jesus said??Jesus said:"Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them."[Matt. 5:17,18]But Paul said:"Christ is the end of the law, that every one who has faith may be justified."[Rom. 10:4]Jesus said:"If you want to enter life, obey the commandments."[Matth-ew 19:17]But Paul said:"He (Jesus) brought an end to the commandments and demands found in Moses'Teachings..."[-Eph. 2:15]Jesus said:"And do not call anyone on earth'father,'for you have one Father, and he is in heaven."[Matthew 23:9]But Paul says:"For I became your father in Christ Jesus when I preached the Good News to you."[1 Corinthians 4:15]Jesus says:"Go and learn what this means,`I desire mercy, and not sacrifice."[Matt. 9:13]But Paul says:"For Christ, our paschal lamb, has been sacrificed."[1Cor. 5:7]James said:"You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone."[James 2:24]But Paul says:"For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.[Romans 3:28]Old Testment says:"The law of the LORD is perfect, reviving the soul."[Psalm 19:7]But Paul said:"Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law."[Galatians 3:13]

There are 2 kinds of laws. One says do not kill - however, Jesus said that if you hate your brother you are a murderer.

One says do not commit adultery - however, jesus said that if you look upon a women to lust after her you have commited adultery already in your heart.

God bless!

tribesman · May 26, 2014

There's no "versus" here...either some people misrepresent what Jesus said or what Paul said. But they are in agreement.

TrueDanish · May 26, 2014

I think no one here read my post!!Just ignoring the question won't change the facts that paul changed the message of jesus also from human to god or son of God.

saved1975 · May 26, 2014

TrueDanish said:

[1]Paul isn't contradicting Jesus, Paul god all his revelations through Jesus, Gal 1: 11--12.
Paul was just stating that one cannot be saved by the law, But only through faith in Jesus.
Israel were self justifying themselves by there own righteousness in keeping the law, Just like a lot of false religions do today.
And Paul was saying salvation is by faith in Jesus.

[2]It's the same as point [1], keeping the commandments alone doesn't save anyone.
Keeping the law without being born again is just dead works.

[3]Paul never called himself "Father", He said it was through his Ministry that they were born again.

[4]The sacrifice that Jesus is talking about is different to Jesus being sacrificed for us, There is no contradiction there.

[5]James is talking about justification by works before men, Not for salvation, Whereas Paul is talking about justification by God, Justified, righteousness and salvation by God, are all the same meaning,
So we are saved, justified and made the righteousness of God by faith in what Jesus did for us.

[6]The law, [Word of God] is perfect, and Paul isn't contradicting Ps 19: 7.
There was a curse for being disobedient to the law, But now in Christ, Jesus has set us free from the curse.
The curse was under three main headings.
Death, poverty and sickness, And through Jesus we have been redeemed from death, poverty and sickness.

Gal 3: 7, says we that are of faith, [Born again Christians] are the children of Abraham.
In Lk 13: 11--16, there was a woman who had a spirit of infirmity, and in v16, Jesus said,
"Ought not this woman being a daughter of Abraham be healed", We as children of Abraham by virtue of being in Christ, Should be healed.

Gal 3: 9, says we are blessed with Abraham, And God blessed Abraham with ALL THINGS. Gen 24: 1.

There is no contradiction between Jesus and Paul

Osiyo · May 26, 2014

It is amazing is it not, what a preach, hopped all over the Bible through 11 New Testament and 1 Old Testament texted that were totally out of contextual understanding, and just about subjected the elect to misunderstanding and amazement. You see my blood bought brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus, how sultrily the enemy can get, he is a master at taking that which is of God and twisting it ever so lightly and profanely preaching what? I dare not think, as my train of thought derailed, and there where no survivors! Oh Father, have mercy on us, for we know not what we are doing? Be blessed and why not?

crossnote · May 26, 2014

This is the problem when people ignore the difference between Israel and the Church.

Ephesians 3:2-7, 9-11 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.
And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

Colossians 1:25-28 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

Osiyo · May 26, 2014

Without Christ:
I...can't... get...
Away with murder.
I... am...bound...
To take it further.

I took the pills.
(I) I've been consumed.
(I) I drank the water.
(I) I had to choose.
I'm still here with a fire burning, burning inside.
If you want to burn, light it up, light it up, let it rise.

When you're high, who ya flyin for?
When you ride, who ya ridin for?
When you toast, who ya drinkin for?
When you play, gotta deal with the devil.

(High) Gotta deal with the devil.
(High) Gotta deal with the devil.
(High) Gotta deal with the devil.

I...have... found...
Comfort in sorrow.
Now...I'm... bound...
Empty and hollow.

I took the pills.
(I) I've been consumed.
(I) I drank the water.
(I) I had to choose.
I'm still here with a fire burning, burning inside.
If you want to burn, light it up, light up, let it rise.

When you're high, who ya flyin for?
When you ride, who ya riding for?
When you toast, who ya drinking for?
When you play, gotta deal with the devil.

(High) Gotta deal with the devil.
(High) Gotta deal with the devil.
(High) Gotta deal with the devil.

Let it rise!

When you're high, who ya flyin for?
When you ride, who ya ridin for?
When you toast, who ya drinking for?
When you play, gotta deal with the devil.

Repent and deal with God

Elin · May 26, 2014

Osiyo said:

Paul vs Jesus is a false dichotomy.

What pills have you taken?

Elin · May 26, 2014

TrueDanish said:

The revelation spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers is the whole NT.

Do you believe the whole NT?

Or do you have your own version of God's NT word?

phil112 · May 26, 2014

TrueDanish said:

You hate Christ. Why is that? Why do you feel compelled to come on a public forum and post lies about the bible?

Galatians 1:10-12 "For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. [SUP] [/SUP]But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
[SUP] [/SUP]For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ."

Jackson123 · May 26, 2014

TrueDanish said:

Jesus is God not regular human. It was in flesh.

John I

[SUP]1[/SUP] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[SUP]2[/SUP] The same was in the beginning with God.
[SUP]3[/SUP] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[SUP]4[/SUP] In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
[SUP]5[/SUP] And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
[SUP]6[/SUP] There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
[SUP]7[/SUP] The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
[SUP]8[/SUP] He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
[SUP]9[/SUP] That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
[SUP]10[/SUP] He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
[SUP]11[/SUP] He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
[SUP]12[/SUP] But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
[SUP]13[/SUP] Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
[SUP]14[/SUP] And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

noname4ever · May 26, 2014

You must keep into consideration that when Jesus walked this earth he was sent to the Jews as a Jew, so he was completely subject to the law, so he had to learn obedience. As a Jew, while living, he was going to preach the law, but after he died, after completing all the demands the law requires, he took upon himself not only the sin of all, but the obedience of all. Praise God that he did ALL the work, thus fulfilling it on our behalf. Paul speaks from the position of grace, having been freed from the demands of the law, whereas Jesus was in the position of keeping the law in its entirety.

Elin · May 26, 2014

TrueDanish said:

You could use some good Biblical instruction.

"End" of the law here means "goal" of the law.

Have you read Ro 13:8, 9, 10?

Do you understand context?

Only God is the father of our rebirth (Jn 3:5), Paul can be figuratively called the father of their faith because he is the one who preached the good news to them.

So Jesus was not sacrificed?

You are a troll.

And you know nothing of the context of James as distinct from the context of Paul.

And they are not contradictory.

You are a troll, and trolls are not welcome here.

posthuman · May 26, 2014

"fulfill" ≠ "abolish"

Elin · May 26, 2014

posthuman said:

Right. . . "fulfill" = "completed."

"Set aside" (Heb 7:18-19) = "abolished" (Eph 2:15).

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