Calvinism Refuted

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cxjonz

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For as many as have sinned without law [Gentiles] shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law[Jews] shall be judged by the law; (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.[speaking of the Jews false assurance of having the law] For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another).
(Rom 2:12-15)

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All Paul is doing is establishing the fact that Jews and Gentiles are both guilty under or apart from the law.The gentiles even though still guilty put to shame many Jews who hear the law but does not the law. The fact remains all have fallen short.
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All have fallen short, but a Calvinist? Rom. 2:13 is not referencing the OT written code of law. His statement is referencing the change made of the law Heb. 7:12 AFTER the Lord thy God's ascension. Every Calvinist unilaterally disputes that the law has not been changed in spite of the fact that it has.
 
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cxjonz said:
All have fallen short, but a Calvinist? Rom. 2:13 is not referencing the OT written code of law. His statement is referencing the change made of the law Heb. 7:12 AFTER the Lord thy God's ascension. Every Calvinist unilaterally disputes that the law has not been changed in spite of the fact that it has.
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Calvinists adhere to the letter of the law more than most Evangelicals.
 
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Calvinists adhere to the letter of the law more than most Evangelicals.
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Correction: Covenant theology obeys or adhere to the letter of the law. Not all Calvinists believe in Covenant theology...
 
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I did say 'more than' didn't I ?
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Yeah you did, but the only way the word 'more' exists is when there is a level amount. With that being said, some Calvinists don't even follow any of the Mosaic law, but the law of Christ.
 
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Yeah you did, but the only way the word 'more' exists is when there is a level amount. With that being said, some Calvinists don't even follow any of the Mosaic law, but the law of Christ.
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I'm glad for them.
Definitions become nebulous at times.
 
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Angry?

If I disrespected you, I apologize.
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Angry? Are you kidding? I have thick skin and it gets me in lot's of trouble here on CC.

Oh, I'm glad for the ones who follow the law of Christ.
 
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Y'all need to cool off or I'm gonna get my smiter out. You don't want the smiter.
 
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Angry? Are you kidding? I have thick skin and it gets me in lot's of trouble here on CC.
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Nah I isn't kidding, you sound angry bro from the posts you post. Thought it was something personal with you and the doctrines of grace. i was just wondering. :cool:
 
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Nah I isn't kidding, you sound angry bro from the posts you post. Thought it was something personal with you and the doctrines of grace. i was just wondering. :cool:
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Nope, I like to challenge, it may only seem that way.
 
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well Eastwoods gun never ran out of bullets
 
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Spokenpassage

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Ain't that before your day...
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Haha it's what happens when you don't have cable and watch old movies that your dad recorded off the television set. ;)
 
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and neither does my smiter.
 
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For as many as have sinned without law [Gentiles] shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law[Jews] shall be judged by the law; (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.[speaking of the Jews false assurance of having the law] For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another).
(Rom 2:12-15)

Bold brackets are my comments.

All Paul is doing is establishing the fact that Jews and Gentiles are both guilty under or apart from the law.The gentiles even though still guilty put to shame many Jews who hear the law but does not the law. The fact remains all have fallen short.
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I think that when you realized that your predetermined destiny is only a hell chute ride perhaps you'll then change your mind. But I doubt it. Faith in Calvinism has no other destination.
"For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous." Rom. 2:13 That apostle is not referencing the Sinai written code of law.
 
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For as many as have sinned without law [Gentiles] shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law[Jews] shall be judged by the law; (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.[speaking of the Jews false assurance of having the law] For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another).
(Rom 2:12-15)

Bold brackets are my comments.

All Paul is doing is establishing the fact that Jews and Gentiles are both guilty under or apart from the law.The gentiles even though still guilty put to shame many Jews who hear the law but does not the law. The fact remains all have fallen short.
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I think that when you realize that your predetermined destiny is only a hell chute ride perhaps you'll then change your mind. But I doubt it. Faith in Calvinism has no other destination.
"For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous." Rom. 2:13 That apostle is not referencing the Sinai written code of law.
 
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