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The Rapture clearly is an UnBiblical joke, no offense to those who believe it but come on. The Rapture teaches the following unsubstantiated tenants with absolutely no passage that states any of these things:
1) The Christ returns BEFORE the Tribulation
2) That Christ has two more future returns, one before, one after
3) That once Christ returns that He then goes back to heaven, with or without anyone
4) That anyone receives spiritual bodies when Christ returns
5) That the End Times church escapes the Great Tribulation after enduring promised tribulation for ~2,000 years.
6) That such a concept of a Tribulation Saint exists.
Time to eat. I had more, LOL
1) The Christ returns BEFORE the Tribulation
2) That Christ has two more future returns, one before, one after
3) That once Christ returns that He then goes back to heaven, with or without anyone
4) That anyone receives spiritual bodies when Christ returns
5) That the End Times church escapes the Great Tribulation after enduring promised tribulation for ~2,000 years.
6) That such a concept of a Tribulation Saint exists.
Time to eat. I had more, LOL
No, I believe the scriptures. That's my point. The rapture is Unbiblical because the key elements of it which I cited above have no basis in scripture.
To believe in the Rapture, first you have to take two unrelated passages from Paul and put them together. Then you have to ignore the timing Christ and Paul give. Then you have to reverse the clear teaching of Christ that we end times believers who will be hated by all nations, killed and suffer tribulation suddenly avoid it all during the worst period of it. You have to convince yourself that Paul was given something new to teach that not even Jesus, the Son of God, knew. You have to ignore the two passages where Christ said he told His disciples ALL THINGS (Mark 13, John 15:15).
You have to ignore Ecl 1:9 which say there is nothing new under the sun and see something new. Jesus birth, life, ministry, persecution, crucifixion, resurrection and ascention and future return are all included in the OT but not the Rapture. Hmm. Jesus left the Rapture out in His Olivet Discourse. Hmmm. He mentions wars, rumors of wars, earthquakes, pestilence, darkness, lunar eclipses, the Gospel being spread and false Christ(s) as all signs of His coming but left out the SNATCHING AWAY OF TENS if not HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of Christians!! That's a pretty big and obvious sign to omit, don't ya think???
Then we have warnings about deceptions, saints and elect on earth. 2 of the 7 churches clearly on earth, a great multitude of believers killed during the Trib. We have Satan waging war and overcoming saints. So the Pre-Tribber deals will all this evidence by saying, "Those all relate to new believers, those who weren't worthy of the Rapture." They see a huge revival when Paul teaches a huge falling away. They argue, these warnings don't apply to me. Yet there is no distinction ever made between a saint and a Trib Saint. What denial and what pride. Foolish 5 virgins without oil. All 10 watch, but 5 prepare, 5 don't.
To believe in the Rapture, first you have to take two unrelated passages from Paul and put them together. Then you have to ignore the timing Christ and Paul give. Then you have to reverse the clear teaching of Christ that we end times believers who will be hated by all nations, killed and suffer tribulation suddenly avoid it all during the worst period of it. You have to convince yourself that Paul was given something new to teach that not even Jesus, the Son of God, knew. You have to ignore the two passages where Christ said he told His disciples ALL THINGS (Mark 13, John 15:15).
You have to ignore Ecl 1:9 which say there is nothing new under the sun and see something new. Jesus birth, life, ministry, persecution, crucifixion, resurrection and ascention and future return are all included in the OT but not the Rapture. Hmm. Jesus left the Rapture out in His Olivet Discourse. Hmmm. He mentions wars, rumors of wars, earthquakes, pestilence, darkness, lunar eclipses, the Gospel being spread and false Christ(s) as all signs of His coming but left out the SNATCHING AWAY OF TENS if not HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of Christians!! That's a pretty big and obvious sign to omit, don't ya think???
Then we have warnings about deceptions, saints and elect on earth. 2 of the 7 churches clearly on earth, a great multitude of believers killed during the Trib. We have Satan waging war and overcoming saints. So the Pre-Tribber deals will all this evidence by saying, "Those all relate to new believers, those who weren't worthy of the Rapture." They see a huge revival when Paul teaches a huge falling away. They argue, these warnings don't apply to me. Yet there is no distinction ever made between a saint and a Trib Saint. What denial and what pride. Foolish 5 virgins without oil. All 10 watch, but 5 prepare, 5 don't.
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