Do all things work together for good?

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Richie_2uk

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Sorry for the long read. But I think this is important to know In our lives.


Do all things work together for good?

Can we still believe in Romans 8:28? “And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.”


Let us be honest and admit that we have at least two problems with these words by the apostle Paul.
1. They promise something we have trouble believing. The Scripture says, “And we know that all things work together for good” (KJV). Paul, how can you be so sure about that? Most of us are not as sure as Paul was. We hope all things work together for good; we believe they do. But do we really know that to be true?


2. They include things that we think ought to be left out. WhenPaul saysAll things work together for good,” that seems too definite for us. All things? We might go far as to say that “some things” work together for good. We understand that out of dif*ficulty we learn great lessons of faith that cannot come any other way. Yes, some things clearly work together for good. But can we be sure it is really all things? Perhaps these words are true in the theoretical sense or perhaps as a statement of faith. But are they true to every part of life?

I do not have to tell you that Romans 8:28 is one of the most beloved verses in the Bible. And I'm sure you know that. Many of you could give testimony to that fact. You were sick, and this verse was like medicine to your soul. You lost a loved one, and these words somehow carried you through. You were crushed and beaten by the winds of ill-fortune, and this verse gave you hope to go on.


Therefore, it shocks us to know that there are many who secretly doubt it. They hear this verse quoted, and instead of a balm to the soul, it seems like a mocking, cruel joke.
They say, “What do you mean by good?”
- Sickness is not good.
- Murder is not good.
- Divorce is not good.
- Suicide is not good.
- The death of a child is not good.


This verse is sometimes misused by well-meaning Chris*tians who throw it in the face of those who are suffering as if it could answer every question of life. When it is misused that way, it produces an effect opposite to that intended by Paul.

But like it or not, it’s in the Bible. And it won’t go away. Which brings us back to the basic question: Can we still believe in Romans 8:28?

We Must Start With God.

Let’s look at the first phrase in three different versions:
1. King James Version: All things work together for good to them that love God.

2. New American Standard Bible:
God causes all things to work together for good.”

3. New International Version:
In all things God works for the good of those who love him.


Did you catch the difference? In the King James version God is way down at the end of the phrase. In the other two versions God is at the beginning. It is partly a question of text and partly a question of grammar. There is nothing wrong with the traditional version, but the modern transla*tions bring out a proper emphasis.


We will never properly understand this verse as long as we put God at the end and not at the beginning. But some people look at life that way. They believe that life is like a roll of the dice-sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. And they believe that after a tragedy, God shows up to make everything come out right. But that is not the biblical view at all.


In reality, God is there at the beginning, he is there at the end, and he is there at every point in between. God is at work. Not luck, or chance, or blind fate. And that answers the great question, “Where is God when it hurts? Is he there at the beginning, or is he there only at the end?” The answer is that Romans 8:28 begins with God. He was there before it all happened, he is there when it happens, and he is still there after it is all over. That forever puts an end to the happy-ever-afterism that says, “No matter what happens, God will turn a tragedy into a blessing.” That’s fine for fairy tales, but not for real life.


What do you say when a little child dies? Or when a cop is killed by a drug dealer? Or when a man dies on the mission field? Or when a woman is cheated out of her inheritance? Or when a friend dies of AIDS? Or when your marriage falls apart after thirty-eight years? It is hard to see how these things are good.
When we look at these situations, we must at all costs resist the cheap explanation. It’s too quick, too easy. Sometimes tragedies happen and well-meaning people say, “That’s not a tragedy. It only looks that way. Just have faith.” If you believe that tragedy is not really tragedy, you will probably lose your faith altogether.


Suppose I have an accident and wreck my car. And sup*pose when I take it into the body shop, the man says, “Friend, you haven’t had an accident. Your car has just been rearranged.” So I turn and look at the cracked grille, the crumpled fender, the twisted bumper, and the shattered windshield. Then I say, “Buddy, you’re crazy. This car isn’t rearranged. It’s wrecked.”


The Bible never asks us to pretend that tragedy isn’t tragedy or to pretend that our pain isn’t real. The point is, we must see the active involvement of God. What happens to you and to me is not the mechanical turning of some impersonal wheel. It is not fate or kismet or karma or luck. God is actively at work in your life!


Is Paul saying, “Whatever happens is good"? No.
Is he saying that suffering and evil and tragedy are good? No.
Is he saying everything will work out if we just have enough faith? No.
Is he saying that we will understand why God allowed tragedy to come? No.


What, then, is he saying? He is erecting a sign over the unexplainable mysteries of life, a sign that reads, “Quiet. God at work.” How? We’re not always sure. To what end? Good, and not evil. That’s what Romans 8:28 is saying.
Little children will often be afraid at night. They are scared because they can’t see in the darkness.

They cry out until at last Daddy comes. He sits on the bed and takes them in his arms and holds them and says, “Don’t be afraid. I’m right here with you." The fear goes away when Daddy comes. Even so, the darkness of life frightens us until we dis*cover that our heavenly Father is there. The darkness is still dark, but he is there, and that makes all the difference.


Can we still believe in Romans 8:28? Yes, but we need to start with God.
 
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jkalyna

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Hi Richie from Uk, :) I do believe that this is truth. When were in the Lord, there are things that need to be pruned out of our life, spirit, and sometimes it hurts the flesh, like no I want that etc. Him the potter, were the clay, it takes time for us to grow. Jesus needed to grow as a child to do his mission. So we try to strive for perfection, but we are mortal beings, and sometimes spiritual attacks against us happen, and try to knock us off the foundation of the Lord, if we build on the firm foundation, then it stands, but then the little after waves, or things try to come again, to make us loss our grip on holding onto faith. {Thou he slay me still will I trust him, someone said this in the bible.} When we give up and surrender our will ,to let your will LOrd be done in my life, it could be a real rock climer.
 

DiscipleDave

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you say "Let’s look at the first phrase in three different versions:
1. King James Version: All things work together for good to them that love God.

2. New American Standard Bible:
God causes all things to work together for good.”

3. New International Version:
In all things God works for the good of those who love him.
"

Did you notice the differences between the verses? Another reason i only read the King James Version which so many of our Christian Brothers and Sisters have died for defending or protecting. Please NOTICE:


1. King James Version: All things work together for good to them that love God.
This is speaking about people who love God.

2. New American Standard Bible:
God causes all things to work together for good.”
This is changed to make it about God and not the people

3. New International Version:
In all things God works for the good of those who love him.
This is changed to make it more about God and not the people

PEOPLE who Truly Love God, Knows full well that God has everything under control. No matter what happens in my life, God has allowed it to happen, and even though i know not the reasons behind bad things happening to me ( punishment - reap what you sow, Testing my faith, or testing to see how i will respond to it, or growing in some way ) i know full well He is in control of my life and everything that happens in it, whether that is bad or good. i know full well that all things that happen in my life is for my good, my learning, my testing, my punishment, all for my good.


 

p_rehbein

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NO.................see the comment below/above (depending on how you read this thread) mine.......

all things work together for good FOR THOSE THAT LOVE GOD...........nothing about those who deny God.........just saying.....
 

crossnote

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To be fair, here is the full rendering of the NASB...

28 And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. Rom 8:28

not just...

28 “God causes all things to work together for good.”

So Disciple Dave the White House news staff is looking for a few good reporters. :)
 
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To be fair, here is the full rendering of the NASB...

28 And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. Rom 8:28

not just...

28 “God causes all things to work together for good.”

So Disciple Dave the White House news staff is looking for a few good reporters. :)
The verse is written to point out that only those who presently love God understands that all work for good, even those who seem by appearances to not love Him.
 

Angela53510

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I studied this verse in Greek, and NIV and NASB are much closer to the original language than KJV.

Basically, it is not that everything in life is going to be "good" when you follow God. Rather, no matter what the circumstances, God will work it out in the end, even if that end is death! But that means staying close to God through the good and bad.

This was always one of my favourite verses, and it really helped me get through after Rheumatoid Arthritis knocked me flat for about 7 years. God took my brokenness and pain and made it into a ministry, and a calling.

"And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose.' ESV
"Οἴδαμεν δὲ ὅτι τοῖς ἀγαπῶσι τὸν θεὸν πάντα συνεργεῖ εἰς ἀγαθόν, τοῖς κατὰ πρόθεσιν κλητοῖς οὖσιν." Greek


Probably ESV is closest to the original, as usual. But I do agree, this is not about our lives, but about God and the work of his transforming power, and the spread of the gospel as we serve God through thick and thin.
 
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I studied this verse in Greek, and NIV and NASB are much closer to the original language than KJV.

Basically, it is not that everything in life is going to be "good" when you follow God. Rather, no matter what the circumstances, God will work it out in the end, even if that end is death! But that means staying close to God through the good and bad.

This was always one of my favourite verses, and it really helped me get through after Rheumatoid Arthritis knocked me flat for about 7 years. God took my brokenness and pain and made it into a ministry, and a calling.

"And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose.' ESV
"Οἴδαμεν δὲ ὅτι τοῖς ἀγαπῶσι τὸν θεὸν πάντα συνεργεῖ εἰς ἀγαθόν, τοῖς κατὰ πρόθεσιν κλητοῖς οὖσιν." Greek


Probably ESV is closest to the original, as usual. But I do agree, this is not about our lives, but about God and the work of his transforming power, and the spread of the gospel as we serve God through thick and thin.
It does not matter. All will love God, kneel and confess. Is this not good despite the evil that may have been done?
 
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SpaceCowboy

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He's writing a letter to his fellow Christians.

He said all things work together for good for those who love God. Maybe the good he's talking about is the contentment of knowing that all the work and effort he's doing on earth is for Christ, so he rests in that consolation. Seems befitting for someone who's had as many trails as the guys had. Pauls shadow had more faith then the entire American Church system put together.
 
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Even evil works towards the good. Evil is offensive. It creates revulsion and distaste. This leads to someone standing against the evil. The one who stands inspires others to stand until eventually the evil is destroyed. Evil is consumed in the end. That's what God taught us.
 
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Even evil works towards the good. Evil is offensive. It creates revulsion and distaste. This leads to someone standing against the evil. The one who stands inspires others to stand until eventually the evil is destroyed. Evil is consumed in the end. That's what God taught us.
And all will learn this in order to choose the good.
 
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jkalyna

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Hi heya hello. This is true when we're in him but it dosnt mean we just sit on our spiritual butt, and do nothing as sometimes evil influences will come to disrupt our peace and cause havoc on our garden where were trying to stay in the 9 fruits. If we sit back and do nothing we will be over taken by the temptations of the flesh anger, hate lust etc. THe lords will is for all things to work for us well but we need to take the plow and work back when the adversary sows tares,weeds into our lives,and taking up spiritual arms which is the armor. ONe time manna fell out of the sky now we are lead by the Shepard,if we rebell and be in idolatry the thing that once happened to those in the desert could happen as not so good things unless we repent, or chastisement comes along,but in the end it will work out well as turning to the Lord, as father, friend,and faithfully to us in his everlasting love for us.