Daniel 9:27

KJV1611 · Jun 16, 2014

Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

I know the vast majority believe that the covenant confirmed in Dan 9:27 is between the Antichrist and Israel. I don't think it is, but I want to understand why so many people believe that way. Can you post why you believe so, and if you know of a second witness in the bible to back up this being the antichrist please post that also... thanks!

4enlightment · Jun 16, 2014

KJV1611 said:

Exodus 12: The Lord said to Moses and Aaron in Egypt, 2 “This month is to be for you the first month, the first month of your year. 3 Tell the whole community of Israel that on the tenth day of this month each man is to take a lamb for his family, one for each household. 4 If any household is too small for a whole lamb, they must share one with their nearest neighbor, having taken into account the number of people there are. You are to determine the amount of lamb needed in accordance with what each person will eat. 5 The animals you choose must be year-old males without defect, and you may take them from the sheep or the goats. 6 Take care of them until the fourteenth day of the month, when all the members of the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight.

Three days later and which that makes it a week, God has excepted the sacrifice.

just-me · Jun 16, 2014

KJV1611 said:

Jesus Christ didn't make a covenant that would last for only 7 years. In context I read it like this...............

Daniel 9:25-27
25 Know therefore and understand , that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again , and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off , but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall *destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war *desolations are determined .
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease , and for the overspreading of *abominations he shall make it *desolate , even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the *desolate .

Mark 13:14
But when ye shall see the *abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand ,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

Matthew 24:10-15
10 And then shall many be offended , and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise , and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound , the love of many shall wax cold .
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved .
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come .
15 When ye therefore shall see the *abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth , let him understand

Daniel 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the *abomination that maketh desolate .

Daniel 12: 11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away , and the *abomination that maketh desolate set up , there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

phil112 · Jun 16, 2014

It is referring to Christ's ministry. He was indeed cut off in the middle of that week. He brought salvation to the world. His personal ministry was almost exclusively to the jews. How did He bring the whole world the gospel, you may ask, if He was crucified in the midst of the week? Remember the veil, the separation between the jews and the gentiles, wasn't torn in two until His crucifiction. So how did He finish that prophecy? Thru Paul. That is why Paul is so special. That is why God chose Paul from his mothers womb. Who did Paul get his gospel from? Never forget, Paul was exclusively the apostle to the gentile.
The first chapter of Galatians details everything I have said. How long did Paul study under Christ? That is the second half of the week.

Hoffco · Jun 16, 2014

Just let God be your teacher. That is the best advice I can give you. just-me has started you on the right path: kept studying all the relevant passages on the subject and the Lord will show you the whole truth. Love to all, Hoffco

KJV1611 · Jun 16, 2014

The verse doesn't say the covenant is for seven years, it says the confirmation of the covenant lasts one week. The covenant already exists... someone is confirming or legitimizing the covenant. Agree or no?

KJV1611 · Jun 16, 2014

Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The way I see Dan 9:27 is this. God made a covenant with Abraham and his seed.

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Christ came and confirmed the covenant when he came.

Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Jesus died on the cross and caused the end of sacrifices and oblations. I don't see how it can be seen any other way.

SpaceCowboy · Jun 16, 2014

Who else would the covenant be with? The Jew's are Gods people.

crossnote · Jun 17, 2014

And after the threescore and two weeks shall the anointed one be cut off, and shall have nothing: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; (70AD, the Romans were the people of the Prince (antichrist) which shall come)
and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and even unto the end shall be war; desolations are determined. And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week, (The Prince/antichrist a Roman)
and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease;(Typed previously by Antiochus in the Jewish Temple) and upon the wing of abominations shall come one that maketh desolate;(Tribulation) and even unto the full end, and that determined, shall wrath be poured out upon the desolate.
(Dan 9:26-27)

It's pretty clear the antichrist makes a covenant with Israel.

RachelBibleStudent · Jun 17, 2014

by the basic rules of pronoun reference the 'he' in verse twenty-seven refers back to 'the messiah' from verse twenty-six...i tried to color code it to show how that works...

"Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined. And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate."

there are three subjects and objects in the first sentence...'the messiah' and 'the people of the prince who is to come' and 'the city and the sanctuary'...the 'he' in verse twenty-seven must refer back to one of these...

'the city and the sanctuary' can be ruled out because a city and sanctuary are not people so they are not a 'he'...
'the people' can also be ruled out because a people is a 'they' and not a 'he'
the only possibility that makes any sense is that 'he' is 'the messiah'

'he' cannot be 'the prince who is to come' because 'the prince who is to come' is not actually the subject of any clause in the sentence...'the prince who is to come' is only a part of the prepositional phrase 'of the prince who is to come' which modifies 'the people'...so 'the prince who is to come' grammatically cannot even be under consideration as something for the pronoun 'he' to refer to...

mxyzptlk · Jun 17, 2014

(Years ago I fell off a very high place, but before I could think, I flung out my arms and legs. I had a sense of hope, then immediately after that. I realized the place was to high, the reality of what was taking place, and the inevitable outcome, overcame what little instinct there was in me. My intuitions were gone, and my mind went blank, from that moment forth I took comfort only in keeping my arms and legs form flailing wildly, and I was ready to meet the end. Almost a week or so later, the news companies published a person that they could not identify. They recorded falling out of the Twin Towers at the moment of the Terrorist Attacks in New York. The photograph was a mirror image of my appearance, I even had the same cloths recorded in the photograph from a brief period after the exposure. But nobody never made the connection. They did not understand that the person they were looking for was not dead, or that the universe had decided to strike the final blow, and demolish the atrocity, for the benefit of the law I designed.)

KJV1611 said:

Are you asking the Antichrist to make an appearance and answer your question directly? What can I say, I just destroyed an entire town in the United States and drowned several countries, and we've done many other things as a result of what people decided to do, that infact was not good for them to do. But, I wanted to give you an honest answer.

In short the Antichrist has the power to black out the stars of heaven (fallen man stricken from the church). Then we see the Stars of the Heavens (universe) falling into the earth by God in the presence of the Antichrist in revelations. Lets measure the 62, 7, and 1 week of Daniel 9 against the stars of heaven.

*It would take about 47 Billion or so years, probably much more for the earth to literally circle the Milky Way Galaxy. Instead when people say a Galactic Year is 248 Million Years, they are really measuring the Wobble the solar system shifts over this period, its not really a circle but it can be broken into 62 to 64 million year stretches of about 90 degrees. We are at the Galactic Alignment now with the Center of Our Galaxy so this is on the White Line of the Galactic Equator, it took about 62 Million Years for us to arrive at where we are now.

*Kochab was the Pole Star of the Earth around 1000 B.C. at the time of King David ... however Now the Little Dipper's 7th Star is at the Pole Star of the Earth

*At the same time, we have reached a stretch of Solstice Alignment, this is the last degree of the current Precessional Cycle of about 24 to 26,000 Years. 1 Precessional Degree of Earth Wobble is about 72 Years.
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So we have the 62, 7, and 1 Week of Daniel 9 connected to the Antichrist which many call the second coming of Christ. However the Solstice Precessional Alignment is so unique we can say that the Antichrist was either born in this period or will make himself known, since this series of alignments is recorded by a large number of ancient civilizations as the projected period of the return or appearance of the Antichrist.

(I am confident the Cosmic Shift will not begin until the September Solstice, based on the level of force you have used, the universe may have also dried up its signs scheduled for the June Solstice, but it is to early to tell now. Remember what happened near the Solstice of March? The Universe took Flight 370, and I have picture of being onboard in my photobucket account)

Dan58 · Jun 17, 2014

KJV1611 said:

Daniel 9:27 is referring to the last 7 years which completes the 70. This is the end time of great tribulation, and it is the action of the little horn (anti-Christ). Antiochus, was a type of the little horn, who defiled the sanctuary, but never destroyed it.

just-me · Jun 17, 2014

The question I ask for edification sake, referring to post # 3;

Where is the scripture in the book of Daniel that is Christ Jesus referring to?

Please quote the chapter and verse.

Mark 13:14
But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand ,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

Matthew 24:10-15
10 And then shall many be offended , and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise , and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound , the love of many shall wax cold .
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved .
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come .
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth , let him understand.

Timeline · Jun 17, 2014

The study guide at the bottom of the page in my bible says that the 70 weeks is 490 years. When I read that I thought, "That is stupid. How can 70 weeks be 490 years." And I rejected it. Then later, not even remembering that the study guide had said that, I came to the same conclusion while reading Leviticus 25

Leviticus 25:1-17
The Lord then spoke to Moses at Mount Sinai, saying, [SUP]2 [/SUP]“Speak to the sons of Israel and say to them, ‘When you come into the land which I shall give you, then the land shall have a sabbath to the Lord. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Six years you shall sow your field, and six years you shall prune your vineyard and gather in its crop,[SUP]4 [/SUP]but during the seventh year the land shall have a sabbath rest, a sabbath to the Lord; you shall not sow your field nor prune your vineyard. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Your harvest’s aftergrowth you shall not reap, and your grapes of untrimmed vines you shall not gather; the land shall have a sabbatical year. [SUP]6 [/SUP]All of you shall have the sabbath products of the land for food; yourself, and your male and female slaves, and your hired man and your foreign resident, those who live as aliens with you. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Even your cattle and the animals that are in your land shall have all its crops to eat.[SUP]8 [/SUP]‘You are also to count off seven sabbaths of years for yourself, seven times seven years, so that you have the time of the seven sabbaths of years, namely, forty-nine years. [SUP]9 [/SUP]You shall then sound a ram’s horn abroad on the tenth day of the seventh month; on the day of atonement you shall sound a horn all through your land. [SUP]10 [/SUP]You shall thus consecrate the fiftieth year and proclaim a release through the land to all its inhabitants. It shall be a jubilee for you, and each of you shall return to his own property, and each of you shall return to his family. [SUP]11 [/SUP]You shall have the fiftieth year as a jubilee; you shall not sow, nor reap its aftergrowth, nor gather in from its untrimmed vines. [SUP]12 [/SUP]For it is a jubilee; it shall be holy to you. You shall eat its crops out of the field.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]‘On this year of jubilee each of you shall return to his own property. [SUP]14 [/SUP]If you make a sale, moreover, to your friend or buy from your friend’s hand, you shall not wrong one another. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Corresponding to the number of years after the jubilee, you shall buy from your friend; he is to sell to you according to the number of years of crops. [SUP]16 [/SUP]In proportion to the extent of the years you shall increase its price, and in proportion to the fewness of the years you shall diminish its price, for it is a number of crops he is selling to you. [SUP]17 [/SUP]So you shall not wrong one another, but you shall fear your God; for I am the Lord your God.

So we see that the "week of the land" is 7 years with a jubilee after 7 sevens. In Daniel there is 70 sevens equaling 490 years. We know that the decree to build the temple went out twice, once with Cyrus and then again with Darius. It is likely, in my opinion, that Daniel's prophecy was based off of the decree by Darius. Which would appear to line up more with the ministry of Jesus.

So the "week" would be seven years and not seven days. Interestingly, 70 weeks (490 years), if they do not include the jubilees, would, once the jubilees were added would be 500 years - Not sure if that can be applied or not. It seems that the jubilee was not counted towards the next "set" of 49 years. I would actually like some (constructive) feedback on this.

It seems appropriate that Jesus' resurrection and the establishment of the Church to fall on the year of Jubilee.

just-me · Jun 17, 2014

Timeline said:

I agree. One also must consider the feast of tabernacles by the prophet Haggai, in chapter 2:6-9, “thus saith the LORD of hosts; Yet once, it is a little while, and I will shake the heavens, and the earth, and the sea, and the dry land; And I will shake all nations, and the desire of all nations shall come: and I will fill this house with glory, saith the LORD of hosts. The silver is mine, and the gold is mine, saith the LORD of hosts. The glory of this latter house shall be greater than of the former, saith the LORD of hosts: and in this place will I give peace, saith the LORD of hosts.” And then Zechariah (chapter 14:16-18 speaks up and says; “it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain. And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.”

Three Feasts of the Pentateuch

KJV1611 · Jun 17, 2014

SpaceCowboy said:

The covenant was with Abraham's seed, not his earthly seed... but Jesus Christ and all those that are his.

Timeline · Jun 17, 2014

Isaiah 61:1-3
The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me,
Because the Lord has anointed me
To bring good news to the afflicted;
He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to captives
And freedom to prisoners;
[SUP]2 [/SUP]To proclaim the favorable year of the Lord
And the day of vengeance of our God;
To comfort all who mourn,
[SUP]3 [/SUP]To grant those who mourn in Zion,
Giving them a garland instead of ashes,
The oil of gladness instead of mourning,
The mantle of praise instead of a spirit of fainting.
So they will be called oaks of righteousness,
The planting of the Lord, that He may be glorified.

Luke 4:16-21
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up; and as was His custom, He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath, and stood up to read. [SUP]17 [/SUP]And the book of the prophet Isaiah was handed to Him. And He opened the book and found the place where it was written,
[SUP]18 [/SUP]“The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me,
Because He anointed Me to preach the gospel to the poor.
He has sent Me to proclaim release to the captives,
And recovery of sight to the blind,
To set free those who are oppressed,
[SUP]19 [/SUP]To proclaim the favorable year of the Lord.”

[SUP]20 [/SUP]And He closed the book, gave it back to the attendant and sat down; and the eyes of all in the synagogue were fixed on Him. [SUP]21 [/SUP]And He began to say to them, “Today this Scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing.”

Exodus 23:14-17
[SUP]14 [/SUP]“Three times a year you shall celebrate a feast to Me. [SUP]15 [/SUP]You shall observe the Feast of Unleavened Bread (Passover; Lord's Supper); for seven days you are to eat unleavened bread, as I commanded you, at the appointed time in the month Abib, for in it you came out of Egypt. And none shall appear before Me empty-handed. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Also you shall observe the Feast of the Harvest (Feast of Weeks; Pentecost) of the first fruits of your labors from what you sow in the field; also the Feast of the Ingathering (Booths; Tabernacles) at the end of the year when you gather in the fruit of your labors from the field.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Three times a year all your males shall appear before the Lord God.

I have been thinking a lot about Peter saying, “Lord, it is good for us to be here; if You wish, I will make three tabernacles here, one for You, and one for Moses, and one for Elijah.” (Matt. 17:4)

And I do realize that, “Master, it is good for us to be here; let us make three tabernacles: one for You, and one for Moses, and one for Elijah”—not realizing what he was saying. (Luke 9:33)

But should we understand that Peter was referring to something that he had witnessed or that he had gone loopy. We read in John 11:49-52 [SUP]49 [/SUP]But one of them, Caiaphas, who was high priest that year, said to them, “You know nothing at all, [SUP]50 [/SUP]nor do you take into account that it is expedient for you that one man die for the people, and that the whole nation not perish.” [SUP]51 [/SUP]Now he did not say this on his own initiative, but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus was going to die for the nation, [SUP]52 [/SUP]and not for the nation only, but in order that He might also gather together into one the children of God who are scattered abroad.

I personally believe that John received the Revelation at the Transfiguration. Whether or not that is true, we don't know if Peter saw the same vision or not. Maybe he just said it because Moses and Elijah were there. But it could also have something to do with the Revelation. If it did, I do not understand how or where it would apply to Revelation.

KJV1611 · Jun 17, 2014

crossnote said:

Hi crossnote, did Antiochus cause the daily sacrifice to cease or did the shed blood of Jesus Christ cause the daily sacrifice to cease?
Is there a need to return to the sacrificial system today? No, is that because of Antiochus or Jesus?

Israel is not even mention in those verses. The covenant is with the many... that's gentiles.

KJV1611 · Jun 17, 2014

Dan58 said:

Dan58 what do you think is made desolate in verse 27?

KJV1611 · Jun 17, 2014

RachelBibleStudent said:

by the basic rules of pronoun reference the 'he' in verse twenty-seven refers back to 'the messiah' from verse twenty-six...i tried to color code it to show how that works...

"Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined. And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate."

there are three subjects and objects in the first sentence...'the messiah' and 'the people of the prince who is to come' and 'the city and the sanctuary'...the 'he' in verse twenty-seven must refer back to one of these...

'the city and the sanctuary' can be ruled out because a city and sanctuary are not people so they are not a 'he'...
'the people' can also be ruled out because a people is a 'they' and not a 'he'
the only possibility that makes any sense is that 'he' is 'the messiah'

'he' cannot be 'the prince who is to come' because 'the prince who is to come' is not actually the subject of any clause in the sentence...'the prince who is to come' is only a part of the prepositional phrase 'of the prince who is to come' which modifies 'the people'...so 'the prince who is to come' grammatically cannot even be under consideration as something for the pronoun 'he' to refer to...

Thanks for explaining that grammatically RachelBibleStudent. What do you think about the opening line of 27?

Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:

To me the language structure points to a covenant that has already been established in the past. "He" is not making a covenant but "he" is confirming the covenant that already exists. What do you think?

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