Rightly Dividing the Word of Truth

[KJV1611]

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

The bible is already rightly divide... the Old Testament (earthly) and the New Testament (spiritual), we just have to acknowledge the divisions.

All stories in the bible come from one of two vantage points, the earthly realm and the spiritual realm. If we are going to understand God's word we have to rightly divide between the two - is the passage talking earthly realm or spiritual realm.

There are 2 types of lambs, an earthly lamb and a spiritual lamb. The lamb in Gen_22:7 is an earthly lamb foreshadowing the spiritual lamb Jesus. The New Testament gospel hidden in Old Testament shadows.

Gen_22:7 And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?

That's an easy one to see for most people, but there are many more that are not so well known and easy to see. Here are a few.

Earthly Jerusalem - spiritual Jerusalem
Earthly temple - spiritual temple
Earthy bread - heavenly bread
Earthly wine - spiritual wine
Earthly father - spiritual father
Earthly mother - spiritual mother
Earthly wife - spiritual wife
Earthly stones - spiritual stones

If we don't understand these divisions, then we don't understand most of the word of God. For example which family members, physical or spiritual is this verse talking about?

Luk 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

The bible says we are to honor our earthly father and mother, the bible also says we are to love everyone as our selves. So you can, with great assuraty know that this verse is talking spiritual and not earthly. So who are the spiritual counterparts? There will be arguments over this so I will stop with this. Your spiritual father is the devil. How do we know that? The bible tells us so.

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

 

[KJV1611]

Maybe that example was a little too deep lol. Which temple earthly or spiritual in this verse?

2Th_2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

 

[crossnote]

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

The bible is already rightly divide... the Old Testament (earthly) and the New Testament (spiritual), we just have to acknowledge the divisions.

All stories in the bible come from one of two vantage points, the earthly realm and the spiritual realm. If we are going to understand God's word we have to rightly divide between the two - is the passage talking earthly realm or spiritual realm.

There are 2 types of lambs, an earthly lamb and a spiritual lamb. The lamb in Gen_22:7 is an earthly lamb foreshadowing the spiritual lamb Jesus. The New Testament gospel hidden in Old Testament shadows.

Gen_22:7 And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?

That's an easy one to see for most people, but there are many more that are not so well known and easy to see. Here are a few.

Earthly Jerusalem - spiritual Jerusalem
Earthly temple - spiritual temple
Earthy bread - heavenly bread
Earthly wine - spiritual wine
Earthly father - spiritual father
Earthly mother - spiritual mother
Earthly wife - spiritual wife
Earthly stones - spiritual stones

If we don't understand these divisions, then we don't understand most of the word of God. For example which family members, physical or spiritual is this verse talking about?

Luk 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

The bible says we are to honor our earthly father and mother, the bible also says we are to love everyone as our selves. So you can, with great assuraty know that this verse is talking spiritual and not earthly. So who are the spiritual counterparts? There will be arguments over this so I will stop with this. Your spiritual father is the devil. How do we know that? The bible tells us so.

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Do not both testaments have real down to earth flesh and blood people?
Do not both Testaments show God's power in sign, miracles and true prophecies?
I think your 'rightly divided' dichotomy is woefully lacking don't you?

 

[The_highwayman]

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

The bible is already rightly divide... the Old Testament (earthly) and the New Testament (spiritual), we just have to acknowledge the divisions.

All stories in the bible come from one of two vantage points, the earthly realm and the spiritual realm. If we are going to understand God's word we have to rightly divide between the two - is the passage talking earthly realm or spiritual realm.

There are 2 types of lambs, an earthly lamb and a spiritual lamb. The lamb in Gen_22:7 is an earthly lamb foreshadowing the spiritual lamb Jesus. The New Testament gospel hidden in Old Testament shadows.

Gen_22:7 And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?

That's an easy one to see for most people, but there are many more that are not so well known and easy to see. Here are a few.

Earthly Jerusalem - spiritual Jerusalem
Earthly temple - spiritual temple
Earthy bread - heavenly bread
Earthly wine - spiritual wine
Earthly father - spiritual father
Earthly mother - spiritual mother
Earthly wife - spiritual wife
Earthly stones - spiritual stones

If we don't understand these divisions, then we don't understand most of the word of God. For example which family members, physical or spiritual is this verse talking about?

Luk 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

The bible says we are to honor our earthly father and mother, the bible also says we are to love everyone as our selves. So you can, with great assuraty know that this verse is talking spiritual and not earthly. So who are the spiritual counterparts? There will be arguments over this so I will stop with this. Your spiritual father is the devil. How do we know that? The bible tells us so.

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Pure allegorical interpretation, which Paul warns us about...

I see the Bible believers are still roaming the body like wolves, too bad, I thought most of your cult died out in the mid 80's...

When the founding member of Bible Believers, Peter Ruckman, passes over it will be over for the Bible Believers cult, as they will not have anyone to lead them into the light any more.

Ruckmand, Roloff and all their ilk, were wrong then and wrong now, that rightly dividing the word is not based on allegory.

 

[Flamingspirit]

You CANNOT divide the truth no more than you can divide 1 by any other number but itself. So when the bible speaks of "dividing" the truth, it is in reference of separating what SEEMS TO BE TRUE BY APPEARANCE, FROM WHAT IS THE TRUTH.

Jesus' DIRECT words and actions ARE THE ONLY MEANS TO SEPERATE THE WORDS OF THE BIBLE. We are told to "Hear ye Him", not Moses, or Elijah on the mount.

 

[KJV1611]

Do not both testaments have real down to earth flesh and blood people?
Do not both Testaments show God's power in sign, miracles and true prophecies?
I think your 'rightly divided' dichotomy is woefully lacking don't you?

Crossnote are you trying to say that you can't see these divisions.

Earthly Jerusalem - spiritual Jerusalem
Earthly temple - spiritual temple
Earthy bread - heavenly bread
Earthly wine - spiritual wine
Earthly father - spiritual father
Earthly mother - spiritual mother
Earthly wife - spiritual wife
Earthly stones - spiritual stones

 

[KJV1611]

Pure allegorical interpretation, which Paul warns us about...

I see the Bible believers are still roaming the body like wolves, too bad, I thought most of your cult died out in the mid 80's...

When the founding member of Bible Believers, Peter Ruckman, passes over it will be over for the Bible Believers cult, as they will not have anyone to lead them into the light any more.

Ruckmand, Roloff and all their ilk, were wrong then and wrong now, that rightly dividing the word is not based on allegory.

I don't know who Roloff is but I know Ruckman is a heretic, he teaches dispensationalism, I don't follow any of them anyway. I do believe the bible though.

What warning from Paul are you talking about? Cant you see these divisions?

Earthly Jerusalem - spiritual Jerusalem
Earthly temple - spiritual temple
Earthy bread - heavenly bread
Earthly wine - spiritual wine
Earthly father - spiritual father
Earthly mother - spiritual mother
Earthly wife - spiritual wife
Earthly stones - spiritual stones

 

[KJV1611]

You CANNOT divide the truth no more than you can divide 1 by any other number but itself. So when the bible speaks of "dividing" the truth, it is in reference of separating what SEEMS TO BE TRUE BY APPEARANCE, FROM WHAT IS THE TRUTH.

Jesus' DIRECT words and actions ARE THE ONLY MEANS TO SEPERATE THE WORDS OF THE BIBLE. We are told to "Hear ye Him", not Moses, or Elijah on the mount.

When I read the bible I don't see anything that "seems to be true by appearance". Everything I read in my bible is true. I don't follow your line of thinking there.

 

[KJV1611]

Simple question do you believe Jesus or not?

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

 

[crossnote]

Do not both testaments have real down to earth flesh and blood people?
Do not both Testaments show God's power in sign, miracles and true prophecies?
I think your 'rightly divided' dichotomy is woefully lacking don't you?

Crossnote are you trying to say that you can't see these divisions.

Earthly Jerusalem - spiritual Jerusalem
Earthly temple - spiritual temple
Earthy bread - heavenly bread
Earthly wine - spiritual wine
Earthly father - spiritual father
Earthly mother - spiritual mother
Earthly wife - spiritual wife
Earthly stones - spiritual stones

I guess you didn't see my point. What does your divisions prove except what is found both in the OT and the NT?
Plato, an unregenerate person could understand your type of division because he taught it.

 

[KJV1611]

I guess you didn't see my point. What does your divisions prove except what is found both in the OT and the NT?
Plato, an unregenerate person could understand your type of division because he taught it.

I really don't understand why this bothers you so. Those things are absolutely key in understanding the bible. You have to know the context of a verse, whether the verse is talking about the spiritual or the physical for you to understand it.

I'm not trying to spiritualize anything away nor am I trying to find hidden meaning, the bible simply must be looked at in context.

 

[Flamingspirit]

When I read the bible I don't see anything that "seems to be true by appearance". Everything I read in my bible is true. I don't follow your line of thinking there.

Let me give you an example of rightly dividing the word of truth from the "appearance" of truth.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29

[SUP]28 [/SUP]If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;

[SUP]29 [/SUP]Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.


Is this law given the truth of God who is eternal? Or does it have an appearance of good?

At the time it was written (by men and for men as God is not a man that He should..) however, it WAS beneficial and good. We were few in the land then.

 

[Stephen63]

Let's look at what that scripture really says:

2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV) [SUP]15 [/SUP]Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2 Timothy 2:15 (NASB) [SUP]15 [/SUP]Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth.
2 Timothy 2:15 (NLT) [SUP]15 [/SUP]Work hard so you can present yourself to God and receive his approval. Be a good worker, one who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly explains the word of truth.

It is rather ironic my brother that you have actually mishandled the very scripture that admonishes us to handle the truth correctly. But don't feel too bad..... we've all done it.

Handling God's word correctly is much more than definition accuracy..... One can handle it with the wrong attitude or motives though they have the correct meaning & the whole thing still be wrong.
Some examples:
* Using it in a demeaning way to tear down, instead of building up.
* Using it to make money...... can anyone say "televangelist"?
* Using it to look superior..... Internet theologian, armchair preacher, narcissist.
* Using it to gain authority they shouldn't have....... Modern day pharisee, hypocrite.
* Using it to have superiority over the opposite sex.
* Using it to change the plan of salvation...... Universalism, Catholicism, Ecumenicalism.
* Using it for any other reason other than to edify the Body of Christ.

 

[KJV1611]

Let me give you an example of rightly dividing the word of truth from the "appearance" of truth.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29

[SUP]28 [/SUP]If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;

[SUP]29 [/SUP]Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.


Is this law given the truth of God who is eternal? Or does it have an appearance of good?

At the time it was written (by men and for men as God is not a man that He should..) however, it WAS beneficial and good. We were few in the land then.

That law is like every other law in the Old Testament, it is pointing to Christ. I don't fully understand the New Testament shadow that this law is pointing to and I wont attempt to explain the little that I do know about it. No parts of the bible are ever outdated. The customs may have changed from then to now but the stories were never given as "moral" stories, they were given to point to Christ.

 

[crossnote]

I really don't understand why this bothers you so. Those things are absolutely key in understanding the bible. You have to know the context of a verse, whether the verse is talking about the spiritual or the physical for you to understand it.

I'm not trying to spiritualize anything away nor am I trying to find hidden meaning, the bible simply must be looked at in context.

1. It doesn't bother me as you charge.
2.Yes, there are types in Scripture.
3. No, it is not the key to unlocking Scripture.

 

[Hoffco]

That law is like every other law in the Old Testament, it is pointing to Christ. I don't fully understand the New Testament shadow that this law is pointing to and I wont attempt to explain the little that I do know about it. No parts of the bible are ever outdated. The customs may have changed from then to now but the stories were never given as "moral" stories, they were given to point to Christ.

KJV1611, You are working OVERTIME trying to find a TYPE of Christ out of a "MORAL" STANDARD, of the O.T.. In no way does the story point to Christ. A type of Christ in the O.T. is fulfilled by Christ. Christ has nothing in common with a man and a woman having consensual sex and having to get married, by the moral law of Israel. It was consensual so the man was not killed, and the woman agreed to marry him. In my opinion, that is a good "custom" for today. Love to all, Hoffco

 

[Hoffco]

Christ and the New Testament is/are the "KEY" to unlocking the types of the OLD T.. You can not understand the O.T. with out the N.T. The N.T. explains the O.T.. Love to all, Hoffco

 

[KJV1611]

Let's look at what that scripture really says:

2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV) [SUP]15 [/SUP]Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2 Timothy 2:15 (NASB) [SUP]15 [/SUP]Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth.
2 Timothy 2:15 (NLT) [SUP]15 [/SUP]Work hard so you can present yourself to God and receive his approval. Be a good worker, one who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly explains the word of truth.

It is rather ironic my brother that you have actually mishandled the very scripture that admonishes us to handle the truth correctly. But don't feel too bad..... we've all done it.

Handling God's word correctly is much more than definition accuracy..... One can handle it with the wrong attitude or motives though they have the correct meaning & the whole thing still be wrong.
Some examples:
* Using it in a demeaning way to tear down, instead of building up.
* Using it to make money...... can anyone say "televangelist"?
* Using it to look superior..... Internet theologian, armchair preacher, narcissist.
* Using it to gain authority they shouldn't have....... Modern day pharisee, hypocrite.
* Using it to have superiority over the opposite sex.
* Using it to change the plan of salvation...... Universalism, Catholicism, Ecumenicalism.
* Using it for any other reason other than to edify the Body of Christ.

Which one of your bible verses is right? They all say different thing.

 

[Agricola]

How many threads to promote the Cult of King James Only do you need?

It is ridiculous claim to state that the King James 1611 is Gods final and perfect version, which is only "proved" by cherry picking a couple of verses out of context and other flights of imagination and creative thinking.

What is often overlooked by most people reading these threads is that when cult members state "Word of GOd", they just mean the King James as they do not count any other Bible as "The word of God", this can lead to confusion as the word of God has lived on through thousands of years in many forms, its the message that is important, not if words are spelt Honour or honor, which is one of the issues the cult has with other versions. Ridiculous Isn't it.

 

[Hoffco]

It is a terrible shame that misguided zealites for the old kjv make an idol of it. The NKJV is so much more accurate.But if one is educated in the old words, one can see the truth in the old kjv. It is so funny, to listen to a kjv only pastor and hear the corrections he gives to update the old kjv to modern times. LOL Love to all, Hoffco ps, yes ,it is a CULT type church.